Hi,im 14 and also quite new here,juz wanna share sumthing with u guys here...
Many people in reallity just do not find how fortunate they are,even though they may be an adult but their attitude are definitely worse than a maybe 10 yr old kid?Well at least a child knows how to be grateful but not some adults.For example,you guys probably have heard b4 someone trying to keep all his/her's relative possesions all by him/herself,causing unhappiness to the whole family forever.I think that those people should be ashamed of themselves.What's the use of keeping all these money to yourself when you can't have this simple kinship anymore,you can never bring these money into your grave,so why are these people destroying their own kinship just because of these money?Why can't they be contented?Is it really worth what they have done?
Ever since,seeing these happenings everyday,I can only hope that everyone would be awake from their mistake,I believe being contented is eternal happiness...
can u bring your relatives to ur grave i think not
Soongwengwei,
It is good to have such a thought at your age....but I would to share with you abit more..I try not to use buddhism as in my sharing context..I am sharing with you more on my personal experience on moral issue...
As for your age, let me put it maybe not so nice..those who have not reach the age of 21 and out in the soecity to fight a living...studying age are the best, because you have less worries, less things to bark on you....contendment is important...firstly, learn to be contended with your parents...dun learn contendment over materialistic stuff...
Cherish the schooling age....because the battle for survival awaits you when you out in soceity...you will get to see alot of ugly scene...but the personality of a person is shaping during his early school days..so it is good to keep in mind to shape a moral ethic way..especially in school there are alot of peer influneces now...
At many times we have not reach a certain mark in the age criteria so we wouldnt understand the situation...yes sometimes the situation are pretty obvious that greed has taken control over kinship.Back to buddhism..so need to aware at all times...though ur mind is your mind, but many times we are fool by our this mind...do not get too emotion attached to what you mentioned..see it as a suffering, only when you see life is a suffering, then you would be able to be aware of what you do and think...
Just my 2peanuts comments..
Originally posted by Soongwengwei:Hi,im 14 and also quite new here,juz wanna share sumthing with u guys here...
Many people in reallity just do not find how fortunate they are,even though they may be an adult but their attitude are definitely worse than a maybe 10 yr old kid?Well at least a child knows how to be grateful but not some adults.For example,you guys probably have heard b4 someone trying to keep all his/her's relative possesions all by him/herself,causing unhappiness to the whole family forever.I think that those people should be ashamed of themselves.What's the use of keeping all these money to yourself when you can't have this simple kinship anymore,you can never bring these money into your grave,so why are these people destroying their own kinship just because of these money?Why can't they be contented?Is it really worth what they have done?
Ever since,seeing these happenings everyday,I can only hope that everyone would be awake from their mistake,I believe being contented is eternal happiness...
Yes... it's a attachment/bond to a 'self'... it's all so illusory yet they are so attached. It's very sad.
But most importantly... if you face such people in your life... you yourself have to be 'contented', otherwise you'll be like the 17 year old teenager on the news who burned the car and van of a relative who refused to return them $200000 or something, can't remember the exact story. He had the same problem as his relative -- all boils down to attachment to a 'self', which is an illusion in the first place. Of course in his case it was a feeling that 'justice was not served'... so he sought revenge. Even so, it's all the dream of separation, of "me" versus "you"... constructs which appears so real to the mind but isn't.
We have to start from ourselves... be more concerned about our inner state than of others, because what we can do about others is quite limited. Externally we can do what we can to try to get the money back, but internally we have to have acceptance and practice non-attachment to 'self'. One day if we become Bodhisattvas, maybe we can transform the minds of others... then others can be Bodhisattvas also. A bodhisattva in the scriptures is described as being able to let others gorge out their eyes and body parts... they can feel pain but they don't suffer or feel hatred. Why? they have totally deconstructed the self-construct-identification with mind/body.
He sees that 'I' and 'mine' are illusions, there have never been a 'real/solid' and 'inherently existing' self in the first place... and have totally deconstructed such views. If they have done that, the view of "I" and "mine" is similar to everything else -- including money. They let them go at any moment, piece of cake. There's a highly enlightened forummer here... he's busy earning money, but he mentioned he never had views of 'I' and 'mine' over money... he has never kept money for a thought moment.
Anyway happy to learn you're 14... more young people coming to forum, fresh blood and i'm growing old.. hehe. I remember becoming the moderator of this forum when I was 14, now 18 liao.
what about me ,i am 28
Originally posted by rokkie:what about me ,i am 28
Old is good mah, more experienced
I totally lack experience... maybe I know a few things about Buddhism, but also not much.
BTW I'm not saying you're old. LOL
Just saying, the older you get, the more experienced you become (generally speaking)
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Old is good mah, more experienced
I totally lack experience... maybe I know a few things about Buddhism, but also not much.
thx,u know alot as well.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:BTW I'm not saying you're old. LOL
Just saying, the older you get, the more experienced you become (generally speaking)
u start very young ,i remember i start into buddhism at 20 sth.
A teaching by the Buddha:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an08/an08.006.than.html
Lokavipatti Sutta
The Failings of the World
"Monks, these eight worldly conditions spin after the world, and
the world spins after these eight worldly conditions. Which eight?
Gain, loss, status, disgrace, censure, praise, pleasure, &
pain. These are the eight worldly conditions that spin after the
world, and the world spins after these eight worldly
conditions.
"For an uninstructed run-of-the-mill person there arise gain, loss,
status, disgrace, censure, praise, pleasure, & pain. For a
well-instructed disciple of the noble ones there also arise gain,
loss, status, disgrace, censure, praise, pleasure, & pain. So
what difference, what distinction, what distinguishing factor is
there between the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones and
the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person?"
"For us, lord, the teachings have the Blessed One as their root,
their guide, & their arbitrator. It would be good if the
Blessed One himself would explicate the meaning of this statement.
Having heard it from the Blessed One, the monks will remember
it."
"In that case, monks, listen & pay close attention. I will
speak."
"As you say, lord," the monks responded.
The Blessed One said, "Gain arises for an uninstructed
run-of-the-mill person. He does not reflect, 'Gain has arisen for
me. It is inconstant, stressful, & subject to change.' He does
not discern it as it actually is.
"Loss arises... Status arises... Disgrace arises... Censure
arises... Praise arises... Pleasure arises...
"Pain arises. He does not reflect, 'Pain has arisen for me. It is
inconstant, stressful, & subject to change.' He does not
discern it as it actually is.
"His mind remains consumed with the gain. His mind remains consumed
with the loss... with the status... the disgrace... the censure...
the praise... the pleasure. His mind remains consumed with the
pain.
"He welcomes the arisen gain and rebels against the arisen loss. He
welcomes the arisen status and rebels against the arisen disgrace.
He welcomes the arisen praise and rebels against the arisen
censure. He welcomes the arisen pleasure and rebels against the
arisen pain. As he is thus engaged in welcoming & rebelling, he
is not released from birth, aging, or death; from sorrows,
lamentations, pains, distresses, or despairs. He is not released, I
tell you, from suffering & stress.
"Now, gain arises for a well-instructed disciple of the noble ones.
He reflects, 'Gain has arisen for me. It is inconstant, stressful,
& subject to change.' He discerns it as it actually is.
"Loss arises... Status arises... Disgrace arises... Censure
arises... Praise arises... Pleasure arises...
"Pain arises. He reflects, 'Pain has arisen for me. It is
inconstant, stressful, & subject to change.' He discerns it as
it actually is.
"His mind does not remain consumed with the gain. His mind does not
remain consumed with the loss... with the status... the disgrace...
the censure... the praise... the pleasure. His mind does not remain
consumed with the pain.
"He does not welcome the arisen gain, or rebel against the arisen
loss. He does not welcome the arisen status, or rebel against the
arisen disgrace. He does not welcome the arisen praise, or rebel
against the arisen censure. He does not welcome the arisen
pleasure, or rebel against the arisen pain. As he thus abandons
welcoming & rebelling, he is released from birth, aging, &
death; from sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, &
despairs. He is released, I tell you, from suffering &
stress.
"This is the difference, this the distinction, this the
distinguishing factor between the well-instructed disciple of the
noble ones and the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person."
Gain/loss,
status/disgrace,
censure/praise,
pleasure/pain:
these conditions among human beings
are inconstant,
impermanent,
subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don't charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming
& rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
Knowing the dustless, sorrowless state,
he discerns rightly,
has gone, beyond becoming,
to the Further Shore.
Originally posted by rokkie:u start very young ,i remember i start into buddhism at 20 sth.
I see.. it's great... my dharma teacher only know the dharma and finally met my master at I think 30+ or close to 40.
She told me how she wish she would have known the dharma at my age. Waste so many years.
i feel the same way ,but u use 'she',ur teacher is a female ,quite seldom in deed ,is it?
Originally posted by rokkie:i feel the same way ,but u use 'she',ur teacher is a female ,quite seldom in deed ,is it?
No, you're still young.. Thusness told me because of my young age, I can progress far in my practice in this life.
Of course, needless to say its ONLY if I really practice.... if we don't take this opportunity/"shan yuan", it will be a waste.
And actually there are quite a number female teachers and practitioners... and enlightened...
ic
Originally posted by rokkie:ic
Rokkie...i thought u still schooling..haha..pardon my guess..i am just abit older than you...
Regardless at what age you practise dharma...it is just a thin red line between you and the real you, once you touch dharma..you start to know there is this battle to outthrown your unreal you...any moment or anywhere...if you win this battle within you...you are already an enlighten being..fight within yourself not others...the more we fight with others..the unreal "you' keep going stronger..
As for AEN,
It is good to practise early, least you be much prepare when you reach the RA age, 21yrs old..that is the time you face the so unreal world....i believe you are still a student, so you must concentrate on your studies as well...because dharma period is changing gradually, but soceity is changing very fast...a paper is really a weapon for you to survive in this world...money is very materilistic or an attachment, but practically we still need the essential needs to keep this unreal body working and surviving...all things are getting more and more expensive..so work hard on your studies..
Originally posted by Bodhi hut:
Rokkie...i thought u still schooling..haha..pardon my guess..i am just abit older than you...Regardless at what age you practise dharma...it is just a thin red line between you and the real you, once you touch dharma..you start to know there is this battle to outthrown your unreal you...any moment or anywhere...if you win this battle within you...you are already an enlighten being..fight within yourself not others...the more we fight with others..the unreal "you' keep going stronger..
As for AEN,
It is good to practise early, least you be much prepare when you reach the RA age, 21yrs old..that is the time you face the so unreal world....i believe you are still a student, so you must concentrate on your studies as well...because dharma period is changing gradually, but soceity is changing very fast...a paper is really a weapon for you to survive in this world...money is very materilistic or an attachment, but practically we still need the essential needs to keep this unreal body working and surviving...all things are getting more and more expensive..so work hard on your studies..
no i quit schoolling already,but not far ago.Right now unemployed,still quite uncertain,how to handle the daily job with buddhism heart.That's really confuse me ,some buddhist,to enjoy a freedom state of mind,self employed,or do simple job.So i seems that not quite sophisticated enough to cope with the stress,planning
actually self employed or employed also same...i mean with a mindful mind...self employed.if you are the only person, then needless to say, you have total control, but when you have people below you, then more things will happen and result unhappy issue..as for employ by others..you have no control many times.red tape...the management chain...you get to see more weird people and personality..
everyday is a practise..especially at work..that is a tough practise..also depend what job you are doing...
Hope you can find a job fast..i am also finding one to hope away from this current one..
Originally posted by Bodhi hut:
As for AEN,
It is good to practise early, least you be much prepare when you reach the RA age, 21yrs old..that is the time you face the so unreal world....i believe you are still a student, so you must concentrate on your studies as well...because dharma period is changing gradually, but soceity is changing very fast...a paper is really a weapon for you to survive in this world...money is very materilistic or an attachment, but practically we still need the essential needs to keep this unreal body working and surviving...all things are getting more and more expensive..so work hard on your studies..
Thanks for the advise :)
It is very wise to think something like that for such an age. Im 15 this yr and i see a lot of people i noe around me being materialistic and so on. Somehow they never seem to stop wishing for things, nor do they appreciate what they have and hope to crave more. Now to bring back the point, buddhism's saying about desire like salt water, the more u crave the more u feel thirsty, and it's certainly true.
No doubt i feel buddhism contains REAL truth, though many people of my age doesnt even understand buddhism at all.
Originally posted by Bodhi hut:
actually self employed or employed also same...i mean with a mindful mind...self employed.if you are the only person, then needless to say, you have total control, but when you have people below you, then more things will happen and result unhappy issue..as for employ by others..you have no control many times.red tape...the management chain...you get to see more weird people and personality..
everyday is a practise..especially at work..that is a tough practise..also depend what job you are doing...
Hope you can find a job fast..i am also finding one to hope away from this current one..
thx for advice,
hi,thks for the reply,haha,well ya,i'm no longer that angry la,just that sometimes i will ponder whether it is really worth it for them to do it that way.Things which has happen long time ago juz let it pass bah..I just hope that there is more people will be enlightened and cause sufferings to ppl and everything juz goes in a cycle...:D
Originally posted by Soongwengwei:hi,thks for the reply,haha,well ya,i'm no longer that angry la,just that sometimes i will ponder whether it is really worth it for them to do it that way.Things which has happen long time ago juz let it pass bah..I just hope that there is more people will be enlightened and cause sufferings to ppl and everything juz goes in a cycle...:D
Yes bes to let it go.
"I just hope that there is more people will be enlightened and cause sufferings to ppl"
erm... i'm not sure if I get that?
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opps,missing the 'not'.
Originally posted by Soongwengwei:opps,missing the 'not'.
oh haha.. icic..