Dear all,
Just came from Hardwarezone. I've started a thread hoping to save at least one cat from being put down by AVA. Unfortunately, the regulations of AVA make it difficult...From there, I realised that the fate of stray cats (whether they are sent to AVA) depends on one word - Compassion, which is sorely lacking in Singapore.
Hence, I hope to make a humble appeal for Buddhists here to help by spreading the word - at the very least not to complain about cats because they will most likely end up being put down by AVA.
Compassion starts in small ways. If one cannot coexist with cats, can he or she truly be compassionate?
Its a matter of striking a a balance...tell that compassion to my colleagues, every day if we can coexist peacefully, we would be less stressful and fufilling in our everyday lives.
But why only cats? What about dogs, lizards or cockcroaches? I have stray dogs in the neighbourhood that bark incessantly in the middle of the night and every night and the MP promised to do something for the past two years without success...
Originally posted by dragon_stone:But why only cats? What about dogs, lizards or cockcroaches? I have stray dogs in the neighbourhood that bark incessantly in the middle of the night and every night and the MP promised to do something for the past two years without success...
Because cats are less likely to be adopted and more likely to be abandoned due to the HDB by-law (since the 70s). AVA would not allow anyone with HDB address to get his or her cat out. AVA will even put down cats legally owned.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1621319
By the way, have you tried other means to rehabilitate the dogs, such as contacting the Action for Singapore Dogs (ASD) besides complaining? Do you know that the dogs have a high possibility of being put down after complaints? Do you really want to be responsible for their deaths?
Cats by nature are not to be home bound, thats' why they gets into trouble.
Our dear MP and town council had tried for years by many means and the dogs are still there. I thought you had mentioned about cats as in TS, its seems now you are also into dogs.
I wonder who is responsible for the lack of sleep and health problems due to the incessantly barkings going on.
By posting in this forum, thou shall not not kill animals even for food? What about poultry and pigs?
I am not there yet as to regards to the understanding of buddhism.
And I am not comparing the different realms or levels for human beings and animals. There must be a social ladder in understanding the nature of life...to see which is more important, killing strays begets what sort of karma? The cause of the problem will ultimately begets the after effects ...
the problem.. about compassion is.. there's a logic flaw, because u're usually bias.
it's very natural that when cats annoy humans, humans complain. and cats get pwned.. unless somehow the cats become smart enough not to disturb humans.
anyway.. all these has been said before la. so ya. i guess, those who wanna adopt adopt, the rest of the cats will be doomed if they don't become smart.
i think a majority of singaporeans are v prejudiced against cats... thanks to those heartless singaporeans and the gahment.
I work in the Govn body before..can share abit on this thread you posted..
Inregards to cat you posted...
Cats are not allowed to keep home bound..but ....the govn bodies open and close an eye...
There are many resident, who keep cats, and they didnt actually well keep the cats, they allow the cats to roam about the neighbourhood estate..they anyhow urine, any how shit..this is a hygen problem...so not totally the govn fault, the owner must really consider about other people living in the estate...
There are some resident who are very compassionate, they bring left over food and feed the stray cats....and after leaving the food they just walk off...again who is going to clean up all the food....one cat see this lady, the next day, you will see more cat friends coming to join the meal....again..consideration..compassion could be practise in a tactful way...
Keeping cats is fine, but one has to watch the cat..not let the cat out of the boundary and cause problems for others...I ever saw a resident kept 9 cats at home..the 9 cats all roam about the neighbourhood..when meal time all will go back to the unit..and passing by that unit you would have a strong aroma of cats...
I think its ok to put a cat in the cage. The cat understands why it has to go inside a cage. Cats are emphatic animals and they understand why humans would prefer them in a cage.
haiz..mercy killing the animals cause they cant protect themselves like humans do.animals are put to slp jus because they are being themselves. humans invaded their places and still kill and abuse them..who really need to b put to slp here?
This topic is a little wayward from the main discussion for this forum. On using compassionate grounds (religious and moral issue) to further the TS agenda is myopic and dangerous.
The topic should be posted at http://cats.sgforums.com/
Mod should locked this thread.
AVA is secretly designing a bio-weapon to kill cats.
Its called Mad Cat Disease or among the medical circle, its known as Feline Spongiform Encephalopathy
There are certain causes that will produce certain effects.
Killing of animals will have bad karmic effect, regardless of the types of reasons humans use to justify the action. Animal disturbing human peace is a human constructed law. Likewise, animals can also say that humans disturb their peace. Under no circumstance must animals be killed for such superficial reasons.
It is important to keep to the precepts... The Buddhist precepts are not put in place for fun or just for social order.
Karmic effects are iron fisted.
Originally posted by Vh2006:Dear all,
Just came from Hardwarezone. I've started a thread hoping to save at least one cat from being put down by AVA. Unfortunately, the regulations of AVA make it difficult...From there, I realised that the fate of stray cats (whether they are sent to AVA) depends on one word - Compassion, which is sorely lacking in Singapore.
Hence, I hope to make a humble appeal for Buddhists here to help by spreading the word - at the very least not to complain about cats because they will most likely end up being put down by AVA.
Compassion starts in small ways. If one cannot coexist with cats, can he or she truly be compassionate?
True. Will do my best.
Originally posted by longchen:There are certain causes that will produce certain effects.
Killing of animals will have bad karmic effect, regardless of the types of reasons humans use to justify the action. Animal disturbing human peace is a human constructed law. Likewise, animals can also say that humans disturb their peace. Under no circumstance must animals be killed for such superficial reasons.
It is important to keep to the precepts... The Buddhist precepts are not put in place for fun or just for social order.
Karmic effects are iron fisted.
Thanks for sharing, mod.
Killing is an easy way. Have all options really been exhausted? Has anyone reflected on the reasons for putting cats down? Do they really warrant a death sentence? Do the benefits from their deaths really outweigh the karmic effects?
Originally posted by dragon_stone:This topic is a little wayward from the main discussion for this forum. On using compassionate grounds (religious and moral issue) to further the TS agenda is myopic and dangerous.
The topic should be posted at http://cats.sgforums.com/
Mod should locked this thread.
As mentioned earlier, compassion starts in small ways. If one cannot even coexist with sentient beings, can he or she truly be compassionate?
Originally posted by dragon_stone:By posting in this forum, thou shall not not kill animals even for food? What about poultry and pigs?
I am not there yet as to regards to the understanding of buddhism.
And I am not comparing the different realms or levels for human beings and animals. There must be a social ladder in understanding the nature of life...to see which is more important, killing strays begets what sort of karma? The cause of the problem will ultimately begets the after effects ...
Looking at the number of vegetarians in the world, do humans really need meat to survive? I've also heard of an terminally ill cancer patient who recovered due to consumption of vegetables.
Besides that, consumption of meat is not really environmentally friendly - emission of greenhouse gases. As stated in the recent Time, "the global livestock [is] responsible for 18% of the world's greenhouse-gas emissions and grain prices reaching record highs". Think about the number of starving people who could be fed with the crops that go into the meat industry.
Originally posted by cycle:True. Will do my best.
Thanks:)
It warms my heart when i see ppl feeding cats under void decks, these cats done nothing to disturb humans mah... what did they do to harm ppl?
Dun complain for the sake of complaning, its a life at stake...
Originally posted by Vh2006:
Looking at the number of vegetarians in the world, do humans really need meat to survive? I've also heard of an terminally ill cancer patient who recovered due to consumption of vegetables.Besides that, consumption of meat is not really environmentally friendly - emission of greenhouse gases. As stated in the recent Time, "the global livestock [is] responsible for 18% of the world's greenhouse-gas emissions and grain prices reaching record highs". Think about the number of starving people who could be fed with the crops that go into the meat industry.
Nothing wrong being a vegan. There is also one recently reported case of a child being a vegetarian since young and now discovered that due to lack of proteins and vitamins from other food sources, the spine is compared to an 80 years old.
What I am concern is that your can champion your cause but should not use religion. Dun use kindness and compassion for weakness to uphold your belief.
Not everybody share your concern as there are more mundane priorities to settle and needs compassion too.
well hun if u keep feeding em they just keep coming n coming until someone has to do the dirty job and put em out of their misery.
Originally posted by whiskers:It warms my heart when i see ppl feeding cats under void decks, these cats done nothing to disturb humans mah... what did they do to harm ppl?
Dun complain for the sake of complaning, its a life at stake...
i think... it's very troublesome to complain, so i don't think anyone would complain just for the sake of complaining
Originally posted by newcomer:well hun if u keep feeding em they just keep coming n coming until someone has to do the dirty job and put em out of their misery.
The main culprit is those who abandon their pets...It will be lucky if they get to be put to sleep instead of leaving them outside to fend for themselves.After all the suffering, result still the same. But the main point is, if you cant commit a pet, dun buy’em.
If u dun feed the cats and just let them die out, that will be more cruel than putting them to slp... Ofcourse there are kind ppl around who go around and sterilize the cats so these cats shldnt actually be put to slp, they poses no threat.
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i think... it's very troublesome to complain, so i don't think anyone would complain just for the sake of complaining
SPCA is just a call away.... And the fate of these cats, maybe unknown to the caller, is as good as finished.
Originally posted by ChiBet:AVA is secretly designing a bio-weapon to kill cats.
Its called Mad Cat Disease or among the medical circle, its known as Feline Spongiform Encephalopathy
I dun tink so.... virus mutates.... who knows what will happen if it happens to pass to human... so in the long term, we are killing outselves if we do that.