什么叫觉照？

• An Eternal Now

  28 Oct 08, 23:28

  http://chan.bailinsi.net/1996/96-5/a07.htm

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  答：知暖知冷而心�冷暖；知动知�而心无动�，知有念起而知心�起��，此知�入过去，�想未�，��目�，也��沉，亦�无记。如是之知�在当下，无所�赖与对待，心中�然无�，安�无比，�是觉照现�之时。

• An Eternal Now

  28 Oct 08, 23:34

  问：“请具体讲讲觉照的机是怎样练出æ�¥çš„？”

  答： 明悟之人时时直觉而了知万法皆自心所显，因心中�滞情�，所以于自心所显的一切境界上，�一一如实而知，既�执��昧，心无去�，境�生�，�然一照，当 下现�，此中并没有次第过程而言，但有力�大�与习性��等差异，故�练机者，应正于知时，就有应境而显的微妙动机��动而�动的真机顿然而现，明朗� 澈，�妙无比，应用无差，�到好处。如此在时进处处，�饭穿衣，一切�作之中，都如是�机练机，�使有�处，�使�然失手，知而顿空，�留痕迹，使机用自 然�直��平常，毫无粘滞牵强。这样久久练习，念念无�，待到力�充足，必然于法界中�机起于大用。

• rokkie

  18 Nov 08, 16:43

  知暖知冷而心�冷暖；知动知�而心无动�

  sounds like hearing but no hearer,

  sounds like the position of standing behind the scene,watch the thing up and down, which is right path ,middle thinking

• An Eternal Now

  19 Nov 08, 14:11

  Originally posted by rokkie:

  知暖知冷而心�冷暖；知动知�而心无动�

  sounds like hearing but no hearer,

  sounds like the position of standing behind the scene,watch the thing up and down, which is right path ,middle thinking

  Initially while practicing mindfulness, awareness appears to be a sense of standing back and watching, that awareness is a watcher in an esoteric space untouched by 'external' arising and ceasing, later it appears that that all things appear IN awareness, and finally it is realised that the "thing arising and passing" itself IS Awareness. Then all duality collapses.

  More discussed in this topic: Reflection and Presence: The Dialectic of Awakening

• An Eternal Now

  19 Nov 08, 14:16

  
  ....A series of contemplations leads us gently but directly to see that our essential nature is neither a body nor a mind. It is the conscious Presence that is aware of this current experience. As such it is nothing that can be experienced as an object and yet it is undeniably present.
  
  However, these contemplations go much further than this. As we take our stand knowingly as this conscious Presence that we always already are, and reconsider the objects of the body, mind and world, we find that they do not simply appear to this Presence, they appear within it. And further exploration reveals that they do not simply appear within this Presence but as this Presence.
  
  Finally we are led to see that it is in fact this very Presence itself that takes the shape of our experience from moment to moment whilst always remaining only itself. We see that our experience is and has only ever been one seamless totality with no separate entities, objects or parts anywhere to be found...

  -- http://www.non-dualitybooks.com/Transparency_Spira.htm

   

  However, this is still only the true experience of non-duality, but insight into Anatta and Emptiness/Dependent Origination is not spoken.

• rokkie

  21 Nov 08, 12:22

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  Initially while practicing mindfulness, awareness appears to be a sense of standing back and watching, that awareness is a watcher in an esoteric space untouched by 'external' arising and ceasing, later it appears that that all things appear IN awareness, and finally it is realised that the "thing arising and passing" itself IS Awareness. Then all duality collapses.

  More discussed in this topic: Reflection and Presence: The Dialectic of Awakening

  the good thing about standing behind the scene, watch things ceasing and arising, is that sometimes could ease your pain, then time longer enough, your mind could really be peaceful. Aware but not attached, yes

• An Eternal Now

  22 Nov 08, 01:14

  Awareness cannot ease your physical pain.

  But when there is a release of the reference point, the centerpoint, the 'I', 'me', 'experiencer', one does not react as much to the physical sensations and cause more mental reactions and aversions and suffering.

  Perhaps, Thusness and Longchen can elaborate?

• Iluvboi

  22 Nov 08, 01:20

  WTH?buddism are total bullcrap.Listen to Sunday preaching for Jesus Christ please.Jesus is the only way to heaven.
• An Eternal Now

  22 Nov 08, 01:46

  

  

• Realmonk

  22 Nov 08, 02:44

  Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

  Buddha is within ourself, we just need to realise ourself to gain enlightenment

• rokkie

  23 Nov 08, 13:11

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  Awareness cannot ease your physical pain.

  But when there is a release of the reference point, the centerpoint, the 'I', 'me', 'experiencer', one does not react as much to the physical sensations and cause more mental reactions and aversions and suffering.

  Perhaps, Thusness and Longchen can elaborate?

  
  i think psychological pain is always greater than physical, and i used suffering from toothache, but now even i don't bush my teeth quite often, my tooth no longer pain.

  You know the human body is a whole, that's what chinese medicine think that way, so western medicine, usually when you feel stomackache, or headache, they will diagnose on your stomack or head, but chinese medicine is the other way round, they will check your lung, or liver. So i think pschological pain and physical pain are correlated

• An Eternal Now

  23 Nov 08, 18:27

  Originally posted by Realmonk:

  Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

  Buddha is within ourself, we just need to realise ourself to gain enlightenment

  What is the relation of mountains and rivers to Buddha-nature?

• Realmonk

  24 Nov 08, 00:09

  All things arise from causes and conditions. Dependent origination also means relativity or "emptiness" because all things are what they are only in relation to other things. Since all things are dependent upon causes and conditions for their existence, they have no real nature of their own and so they are relative or "empty"

• Bodhi hut

  24 Nov 08, 11:18

  Originally posted by Iluvboi:

  WTH?buddism are total bullcrap.Listen to Sunday preaching for Jesus Christ please.Jesus is the only way to heaven.

  
  Not to debate on other religion or criticise, but how sure is one announce that 'he' is the only way.....and where does 'he' comes from?

   

  You cannot be 'he', as 'he' is the way to lead you, but in buddhism, the 'he' is only a teacher,'he' said you can be like him, to gain enlightenment and freed from kamic force...The teacher said, there are many heavens...so there are many'he' who manistify himself to our world to save sentinents...all are sentinents, be it who the 'he' we have faith in, its goal is relieve one from suffering..if the diciples act more sufferings to others, the 'he' could not lead you to the so call heaven, as no one could stop karmic force, except ourselves...

   

   

• Realmonk

  24 Nov 08, 14:20

  正信的佛教是什么？

  http:www.realbuddhism.com

   

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• JitKiat

  24 Nov 08, 18:47

  我们修�的三个次第--"有觉有观"（有寻有伺）�"无觉有观"（无寻唯伺）�"无觉无观"（无寻无伺）--�以体会到观与照的分际。观的境界就是寻，有如在找一个东西，比方一根针掉到地上，怎么办？屋内一片漆黑，�好借�烛光或手电筒的亮光慢慢寻找，慢慢探索，这是"有寻"。"伺"则�寻找，找啊找，找也找�到，�在那里等��，本�到处移动的�亮光�在一个地方，定�了，久而久之，光亮��放大，这是伺的境界。最�，瞎猫撞到死�似的，一下放大光明，彻天彻地，便到了照�五蕴皆空，无所障� - �怀瑾

  I like the above analogy of finding a needle in the dark room, explaining about the stages for practicing prajna paramita ...

   

  Similar explanation about practicing prajna paramita from Master Yin Shun:

  所以慧學的無分別，�是�作�，�尋�， 或�起心念等分別。那到底是什麼呢？「修習中觀行�的無分別，是以正觀而 「無�那「自性�的「分別�；從自性分別��得，而入於無分別法性的�證 。

  自性分別，是�於�真實而似真實的戲論相，著相而以為自性有的。上來 已一�說到，自性有，是我我所執的著處；如起自性分別，就�能�我法空， 而離我我所執了。所以，應分別，抉擇，觀察，此自性有是��得的，一絲毫 的自性有都沒有，�能盡離自性有分別。離此自性有分別，就是觀空──無自 性分別。分別，�一定是自性分別，而分別自性分別��得──空觀，�但� 是執著，而且是通�離言無分別智證的大方便�經說的�應念，�應�，�應 分別，是說：�應念自性有，�應如自性有而�，�應起自性有的分別。�是 說修學般若，什麼都�念，��，�分別。如一切分別而都是執著，那佛說� �修慧，�是顛倒了嗎？如無分別智��，而�須��修慧的引發，那也�為 無因而有了�

  ��，在從修無分別觀──觀自性分別��得，臨近趣入無分別智證時， 如著力於分別，抉擇，也是障礙，所以經說�應念等。這�為『順�法愛�， 如食『生��消化而�病。這等於射箭，在瞄準放箭時，��太緊張，太著 �；太緊張著�，�而會�中的的。從�有人，寫信給有地�的人，生怕錯誤，�了�開。這樣的開開��，�果是將空信�寄了去，�為大笑話。所以， 在觀心�就，純�而轉時，���作�去分別，抉擇。其實，這也還是�著相 ，�作�分別的��。

• An Eternal Now

  24 Nov 08, 23:11

  Originally posted by Realmonk:

  All things arise from causes and conditions. Dependent origination also means relativity or "emptiness" because all things are what they are only in relation to other things. Since all things are dependent upon causes and conditions for their existence, they have no real nature of their own and so they are relative or "empty"

  Very true. But that's still half the story. Someone, imo with deep insights, wrote this:

  Dear friends,
  
  Before study and practise zen, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters.
  
  When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters.
  
  But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.
  
  Can anybody explain above statements? If cannot explained, you still not enlightened.

  
  

  
  

  After some discussions:

  
  

  
  

  No, still not the right answer.
  
  The answer is:-
  
  1st, we attached to Form, so we see mountain as mountain.
  
  2nd, after we understand "no-self" or "emptiness", we no longer see mountain as mountain. Mountain is just accumulation of sand, stone, grass, trees, plants, etc...
  
  3rd, upon enlightenment, mountain is just a manifestations of our Buddha Nature, thus, we see mountain as mountain again.

  
  

  More:

  
  

  The seeing and manifestations are one. All is Buddha Nature. Seeing a flower and the manifestation of the flower by the buddha nature are one (your buddha nature). The hearing and the sound you hear are also your buddha nature.

  
  

  Pranananda (9 months ago)

  
  

  thank you. do you see the world like this?

  
  

  netelsg (9 months ago) 

  
  

  Yes, everything I see is manifested by my Buddha Nature. Everything is ONE (buddha nature). If you see everything as one, then it is enlightenment.

  
  

  Pranananda (9 months ago)

  
  

  but who is seeing all this? is there a separate watcher watching the oneness? then still there is separation and not oneness... please explain. thank you.

  
  

  netelsg (9 months ago)

  
  

  Everything that you see right in front of you is manifested by your buddha nature. Because it is not your eye that see. Your eye is like the optical lens of a digital video camera while your buddha nature is like the Display Screen of the DVC. Can you understand ?

  
  

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  Hence, not only must the 'emptiness' aspect be seen, but the luminous aspect of Buddha-Nature is equally important. Emptiness cannot be understood through the intellect. It is the luminosity that is empty. Pure awareness and yet empty.

  
  

  As our moderator Thusness once wrote:

  
  

  Here the highlight must not only be the empty nature of ‘sound’ alone, that luminosity as ‘sound’ must similarly be emphasized. When we stripped-off the symbolic representation of ‘bird’, ‘chirping’, ‘outside’, ‘eyes-organ’, ‘ears-organs’, ‘senate reality’ and merely experience in bare, this is the meditative state of intuitively knowing that quality of being luminous in oneness. Oneness as there is nothing to divide when devoid of these symbolic layering. The depth of the crystal clarity of that pure experience – ‘chirping’ is not what language can convey. The point here is not to bring about a scientific study on the topic of qualia but to have a direct feel of the full absorption in the delight of that clear-luminosity of ‘sound’. It is the ‘depth and degree’ of absorptive-clarity yet non-staying that is most important; not the symbolic understand of meanings.

  
  

  
  

  Anyway our moderator Thusness wrote his Thusness's Six Stages of Experience in our forum... it's about Buddha-Nature as the inseparability of luminosity and emptiness. I posted it in my blog.
  
• Realmonk

  24 Nov 08, 23:33

  Well, you are right.

  "Form is emptiness" is only half and its is easier to understand than "Emptiness is form".

• An Eternal Now

  24 Nov 08, 23:52

  Yes... to my limited understanding... emptiness is form is the presence of seeing that is inseparable from the seen and heard. Emptiness though not a thing possesses vivid presence. When hearing sound, there is just sound, no hearer. Just the sensations/sensing, no feeler, thoughts, but no thinker. But what is seen, heard, etc, are dependently arisen, an aggregate of cause and conditions that does not last even a moment, empty of any substantial existence/thingness, mere appearances. The splendor of the world is simply Mind/Buddha-Nature's display, luminous and empty.

  Buddha:

  ..."When cognizing what is to be cognized, he doesn't construe an [object as] cognized. He doesn't construe an uncognized. He doesn't construe an [object] to-be-cognized. He doesn't construe a cognizer.

  Thus, monks, the Tathagata — being the same with regard to all phenomena that can be seen, heard, sensed, & cognized — is 'Such.' And I tell you: There's no other 'Such' higher or more sublime...