Originally posted by disappear:very perceptive!
i myself when i read this particular sutra felt that theres something wrong somewhere with it.
Ya, surangama sutra is not false. but i dont understand it at all -__-
of course ..shurangama is the sutra of Seeing Buddha nature ..you have to cleanse your mind before reading it ....
Originally posted by bohiruci:of course ..shurangama is the sutra of Seeing Buddha nature ..you have to cleanse your mind before reading it ....
Those cheem parts, i can never understand, cleanse mind or not. even if understand, it is only concept wise.
for me at least la, whether i cleanse or not, its the same. moreover for my current condition(which i shall not disclose) its entirely impossible to. its like trying to wipe charcoal clean expecting it can turn white.
having said that, im not discouraging anyone from reading it. but for me, i wont.
You can read Ven Hsuan Hua's commentaries, that should be very helpful.
Originally posted by disappear:
Those cheem parts, i can never understand, cleanse mind or not. even if understand, it is only concept wise.for me at least la, whether i cleanse or not, its the same. moreover for my current condition(which i shall not disclose) its entirely impossible to. its like trying to wipe charcoal clean expecting it can turn white.
having said that, im not discouraging anyone from reading it. but for me, i wont.
Well Buddha nature is always there .. but at least you plucked the courage to read it
some i know is so critical on shurangama sutra , reject its existence ...
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:You can read Ven Hsuan Hua's commentaries, that should be very helpful.
I propose ven jing jie commentary on Shurangama ..very precise
Originally posted by bohiruci:Can you let me know the Boddhisatta ideals in Mahayana? I am not sure if you already know, Boddhisatta ideal is inside the Theravada too.
this statement is wrong ... Bodhisatta ideal is not inside any of the Nikaya
Bodhisatta is the seeking of salvation of all sentient beings and eventually to Perfect Buddha
Theravada sutta only talks up to realisation of sunyata and towards arhatship
but arhatship not equal to Buddhahood
arhat still have to get rid of the habitual action proceed towards the Perfection of one thing that is NOT found in all the Nikayas - Skilled Means
If Arhat equal to Buddhahood , then Sariputta ,Maugdalyana are Buddhas ..
Remember when you chant the Puja its always say
Homage to the Perfected One , the Exalted one ,the Perfect Buddha
Namo Tassa Bhagavata Arahato SAMMA SAMBUDDHA
Hmmm....I believe the Bodhisatta ideal is also in Theravada. Recently, Ven Thubten Chodron also expounded on the 10 paramittas at Wat Palelai, a strongly Theravadin temple. Also, the Theravadins are clear of the requirements and differences between Bodhisattas and Arahans. If you read the biography of Ven Ajahn Mun, you may find that he also once vowed to be a Buddha too. Thus, I am quite certain that they too understand the ideals of Bodhisattahood.
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Originally posted by Emanrohe:Hmmm....I believe the Bodhisatta ideal is also in Theravada. Recently, Ven Thubten Chodron also expounded on the 10 paramittas at Wat Palelai, a strongly Theravadin temple. Also, the Theravadins are clear of the requirements and differences between Bodhisattas and Arahans. If you read the biography of Ven Ajahn Mun, you may find that he also once vowed to be a Buddha too. Thus, I am quite certain that they too understand the ideals of Bodhisattahood.
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Nice of you to mention Ven ajahn Mun ..he is a monk who founded Dharmakaya meditation , much different from the traditional Theravada
Actually the bodhisatta ideal is quite traceable to the Myanmar ..due to its proximity to Yunnan,China .
Its not found in the Nikaya ,but one topic of Mahayana is found there ,the issue of Saddha aka Faith in English
in the Middle Discourse of the Agama [Mahayana ] of the Middle Discourse of the Nikaya
I think you are mistaken. Ajahn Mun is from the Thai forest tradition, and is the teacher of many famous masters like Ajahn Chah, Ajahn Maha Boowa, etc. He was not the founder of Dhammakaya movement.
Dhammakaya meditation is controversial and from what I've read the teachings are certainly doubtful and appears unorthodox.
Originally posted by Emanrohe:Hmmm....I believe the Bodhisatta ideal is also in Theravada. Recently, Ven Thubten Chodron also expounded on the 10 paramittas at Wat Palelai, a strongly Theravadin temple. Also, the Theravadins are clear of the requirements and differences between Bodhisattas and Arahans. If you read the biography of Ven Ajahn Mun, you may find that he also once vowed to be a Buddha too. Thus, I am quite certain that they too understand the ideals of Bodhisattahood.
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Dear Emanrohe,
It is inside the Theravada literature pertaining to the Boddhisatta ideals. In fact, the requirement to be a boddhisatta is much more difficult as compared to Arahantos. It's just not being emphasized in Theravada Buddhism.
Wish you all well and peaceful, Metta
Hi An Eternal Now,
I suspect maybe our friend means the dhutanga-kammatthana tradition or the Dhammayut lineage/sect?
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