will we have any consequences for leaving buddhism
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if u take refuge in buddhism and some how dont believe in it anymore , how ?
when we guiyi we sworn to buddha.
wads the rationale of swearing to stay away from wai dao. (books ppl religion)
and we promised to throughout our life , guiyi to buddha , dharma and sangha.
no more interest in buddhism now.
I am leaving buddhism permanantly and going to church .
church looks more fun.
my frenz into church.
does not mean i will be christian just go church to play .
i wont say which religion better also.
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I think it is very superficial to go to church just to 'play'. Religion isn't for 'playing'. It is about spirituality, and discovering your spiritual nature.
As li zhu lao shi said before, those friends you have in church, they are only temporary in the sense that they will be married in the future, etc, and will not have much time for you in the future. Furthermore, it's not like you will not have a lack of friends when you get into poly soon.
You should try to learn how to apply Buddhism in your lives and practice. Otherwise whatever you learn is only superficial on the surface level and you won't see benefits.
When you practice Buddhism and start to experience the freedom, bliss, and clarity from practice, then such experience will naturally draw you towards practice. When we have not experienced these qualities, then we will not know that there is a mode of being that is much more blissful, clear, liberating. Without such qualities the mind cannot rest in 'not knowing', it will inquire, it will wander into discursive thoughts.
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Without glimpses and direct experience of your own nature, one will lose himself in various theories and concepts and continue searching through these concepts. There will not be utter conviction through direct experience. There will a lot of confusion. Of course, whether to search endlessly in theories and concepts or to settle this through direct looking of our own experience is up to us.
If one is a serious truth seeker, we should go by direct experience. But whether we are or we are not is up to us.
Kalama Sutra
"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching. Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the
spirit of the words. Rely not on theory, but on experience.Do not believe in anything simply because you
have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do
not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is
written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and
elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is
conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."- the Buddha
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to each his/her own.
up to you. there are no consequences lar dun u worry.
you have no yuan with Buddhism, you have more yuan to christianity
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Ok i go convert into christian at church
thanks
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Don't just believe because of what you're told, what you read, what you heard, by authority, etc. But of course if you find Christianity suits you more upon reflection on the teachings and not by blind faith, by direct experience instead of simply what you read then go for it. Even when you become a Christian, go by direct experience.
http://frimmin.com/faith/mysticismintro.php
...mysticism is not only a vital part of the Christian heritage as well, but it is actually the core of Christian spirituality. Mysticism simply means the spirituality of the direct experience of God. It is the adventure of "the wild things of God."
The direct experience of God is a kind of knowing, which goes beyond intellectual understanding. It is not a matter of "belief." It is marked by love and joy, but it is not "emotional experience." In many ways, it is better described by what it is not. To describe what it is, we must use metaphors—the marriage of the soul to Christ, the death of the "old man" and birth of the "new man," being the "body of Christ."
Jesus proclaimed "I and the Father are one," (Jn. 10.30) showing the world what the union of God and man can be. Christian mysticism is about nothing else but this transforming union....
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my mom and i dont get one thing . the first day we go to a particular buddhism centre.
we had a talk with the teacher.
my mom disclosed my mental history and even being downpesed to PES F before coming to NS. it's not my mom din disclose.
and the teacher could tell i am quite inferior and worried and yet she recommened reading books from dharma centre.
Then at night i got illusion of hell and sucidal thoughts and impulses. dreams of animal and hell dreams.
and she asked me chant i will remember i am pushed down from stairs , beaten up in army camp , dropping into cesspit in field camp. like that will feel sad or not.
now i felt unwell.
i decided to turn back to my original faith.
no insult meant on buddhism just speaking the truth. buddhism centre emphasizes alot on karma also. the tone got up when talking abt karma .
then like this i go church play better right gt frenz gt games gt nice air con . friendly ppl.
all i have said is based on facts and truth. no offense taken but dharma centre should take a more careful stance on mental patients.
everyone got religious freedom.
and noone at buddhism centre asked me if i accept karma theory and let me guiyi. I tot no need one. they asked me how i feel. first few visits i din read books i felt OK .
so i told them i guiyi. subsequent visits, i flipped a few pages and unfortunatley gt karma stuff then i have sucidals thoughts and impulses. they told me to guiyi to jie yuan.
i have sucidal thoughts and impulses after i guiyi and read books.
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i felt great reading new tastament bible book esp mathew.
no offense taken .
pls close the thread soon.
no point further talking abt it.
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me from buddhist become christian
then become now dun know what also
well just follow ur heart lor
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after i stopped reading buddhism books no more sucidal thots le and impulses.
happy. smile.
christianality more suitable for me i going back to my church nextweek le.
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Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:
after i stopped reading buddhism books no more sucidal thots le and impulses.
happy. smile.
christianality more suitable for me i going back to my church nextweek le.
Ok good luck to u..God bless u~
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Don't just believe because of what you're told, what you read, what you heard, by authority, etc. But of course if you find Christianity suits you more upon reflection on the teachings and not by blind faith, by direct experience instead of simply what you read then go for it. Even when you become a Christian, go by direct experience.
http://frimmin.com/faith/mysticismintro.php
...mysticism is not only a vital part of the Christian heritage as well, but it is actually the core of Christian spirituality. Mysticism simply means the spirituality of the direct experience of God. It is the adventure of "the wild things of God."
The direct experience of God is a kind of knowing, which goes beyond intellectual understanding. It is not a matter of "belief." It is marked by love and joy, but it is not "emotional experience." In many ways, it is better described by what it is not. To describe what it is, we must use metaphors—the marriage of the soul to Christ, the death of the "old man" and birth of the "new man," being the "body of Christ."
Jesus proclaimed "I and the Father are one," (Jn. 10.30) showing the world what the union of God and man can be. Christian mysticism is about nothing else but this transforming union....
christian mysticism not recognised by all christian denominations . like gnostic christians also nt recognised by all .like not all christian speak in tongues.
example catholic and protestant are different.
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seriously I have decided to store all buddhism books from the buddhism centre in my storeroom see how to settle those books.
anyone knows how to settle the Cds and books?
my mom stored them le in storeroom.
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dun worry buddhism is not like certain religion that curse u go to hell if u dun believe in god.
buddhism sui yuan one
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my mom dont like the
I take refuge in buddha throughout my lifetime.
I take refuge in dharma throughout my lifetime
i take refuge in sangha throughout my lifetime
something like that.
and promised to stay from waidao waidao books waidao ppl .
my mom abit dont like i go buddhism actually.
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my mom felt depressed lastime listening to foguangshan buddhism xing yun fa shi cassette. too much emphasis on karma.
1980s that time. that time xing yun fashi go clementi for fahui sometimes my mom frenz buddhists.
for me i have dreams of hell and other realms in my dreams. (nightmares)
six realms of rebirth theory will confuse us and leave scary imprint in our minds.
I dun really understand y ppl with anxiety disorder was allowed to read buddhism books. my mom against this also. and we tell the teacher at dharma centre was just discharged from NS from anxiety disorder
she could tell i was quite inferior and think/worry too much. and yet she recommend buddhist books with karmic content in it.she even chose some for me.
chanting recommended was not effective and caused more problems and yet i was still instructed to chant.
i not saying xing yun fashi is not good. I respect him. I am not saying the dharma centre teacher not good also . no offense. but my mom gotten quite angry now .
my mom banned me from going buddhist centre and allowed church now.
the only book i am allowed to read is bible for now. my expiriences of dharma centre which i wanted to say.
all are real and true .
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Just that you and your mom do not have a good understanding on Buddhism. You have misunderstood.
I think its obvious that you do not have yuan with Buddhism. If you think going to christianity will make you happy, by all means go.
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Religion is like shopping now.
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so my mom chose an religion with lesser emphasis on karma (tian dao)
as for me i not into tian dao but i more into christian but i respect her also.
my mom is angry over the swearing part at gui yi ceremony, chanting and the books issues.
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Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:
my mom dont like the
I take refuge in buddha throughout my lifetime.
I take refuge in dharma throughout my lifetime
i take refuge in sangha throughout my lifetime
something like that.
and promised to stay from waidao waidao books waidao ppl .
my mom abit dont like i go buddhism actually.
We never say stay away from 'waidao people' (and as you know Buddhists are the most harmonious people in the world without a religious war in history), but it is true that Buddhists don't practice wai dao.
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Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:
my mom and i dont get one thing . the first day we go to a particular buddhism centre.
we had a talk with the teacher.
my mom disclosed my mental history and even being downpesed to PES F before coming to NS. it's not my mom din disclose.
and the teacher could tell i am quite inferior and worried and yet she recommened reading books from dharma centre.
Then at night i got illusion of hell and sucidal thoughts and impulses. dreams of animal and hell dreams.
and she asked me chant i will remember i am pushed down from stairs , beaten up in army camp , dropping into cesspit in field camp. like that will feel sad or not.
now i felt unwell.
i decided to turn back to my original faith.
no insult meant on buddhism just speaking the truth. buddhism centre emphasizes alot on karma also. the tone got up when talking abt karma .
then like this i go church play better right gt frenz gt games gt nice air con . friendly ppl.
all i have said is based on facts and truth. no offense taken but dharma centre should take a more careful stance on mental patients.
everyone got religious freedom.
and noone at buddhism centre asked me if i accept karma theory and let me guiyi. I tot no need one. they asked me how i feel. first few visits i din read books i felt OK .
so i told them i guiyi. subsequent visits, i flipped a few pages and unfortunatley gt karma stuff then i have sucidals thoughts and impulses. they told me to guiyi to jie yuan.
i have sucidal thoughts and impulses after i guiyi and read books.
I can't see any links between your dreams of hell and animal with Buddhism. Unless you have been thinking too much about them. I have never had such dreams before. In any case, not to take the dreams too seriously.
Also, if you have suicidal thoughts and impulses after reading karma things, then perhaps you have fear and misunderstanding of karma.
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Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:
six realms of rebirth theory will confuse us and leave scary imprint in our minds.
The confusion is yours only. I have never experienced, and nobody else I know have experienced any psychological difficulties arising due to karma and six realms.
I believe some of the things you experienced is due to unnecessary fears. There's no need to think too much about these things. Buddhism focus on the Now, we don't fear the afterlife if we practice well in this life. Why think so much about it? Buddhists don't worry themselves with past, present and future.
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some people have misconceptions and misunderstandings on Buddhism. either they are not well versed in the teachings as the teachings are not easy to understand, or simply has no yuan to Buddhism.
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Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:
christian mysticism not recognised by all christian denominations . like gnostic christians also nt recognised by all .like not all christian speak in tongues.
example catholic and protestant are different.
No, speaking in tongues has nothing to do with Christian mysticism. As far as I know, mysticism isn't emphasized in most churches, but there are mystics in various denominations. You can read the link I gave you to understand more.
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I listened to one tape of a buddhist monk, he related his experiences as an undergrad in University in Taiwan. His room mate or something, also a buddhist, you know how he practised buddhism?
one day he approach his room mate and asked him why havent you spoken a word for days. Then he told him he is trying to be Guan Shi Yin Pusa by being silent.
LOL. He then said du shu you shu dai zi, du fuo you fuo dai zi