Herzong_Zwei wrote :
Not every effect will have a cause and not every cause will have a effect.
Yes indeed. Buddha did say that certain events in nature do not operate under the law of cause and effects. Phenomenon as a fortuitous confluence of other events, causes and conditions also do not come under this law.
There are also certain causes that are very weak and will not have effects. For example you thought of killing someone, plotted it in your mind and carry it out in your mind. The karmic seed, karmic cause, planted is very weak and its effects is gone the moment you hold within your mind loving thoughts.
Does this mean that dependent origination is not valid just because you have a narrow view ?
Herzog_Zwei further wrote :
It is seen in everday life. When a person breathes, it causes a disturbance in air pressure. Then if so, one's breathe can be the cause of a Hurricane or a tornado but with so many people around in this world, is there that many hurricane or tornado around the world?
You are thinking of a linear relationship of cause and effect. The butterfly flapping its wings in brazil and causing a tornado in phillipines is a non-linear effect. It is like commiting a small wrong and you thought that the karmic seed is small or that your so-called good intention would help create good karma. As the law of karma is non-linear the small wrong you have committed may actually escalate into a major effect such as someone losing his job, life or possession.
The notion of strange attractors - or law affinity - also come into play.
Does your wrong observation of reality invalidate Buddha's teachings ?
When we say that Buddha was wrong it could be our understanding of Buddha's teaching was wrong.
Originally posted by Sgforumposter:Herzong_Zwei wrote :
Yes indeed. Buddha did say that certain events in nature do not operate under the law of cause and effects. Phenomenon as a fortuitous confluence of other events, causes and conditions also do not come under this law.
There are also certain causes that are very weak and will not have effects. For example you thought of killing someone, plotted it in your mind and carry it out in your mind. The karmic seed, karmic cause, planted is very weak and its effects is gone the moment you hold within your mind loving thoughts.
Does this mean that dependent origination is not valid just because you have a narrow view ?
Herzog_Zwei further wrote :
You are thinking of a linear relationship of cause and effect. The butterfly flapping its wings in brazil and causing a tornado in phillipines is a non-linear effect. It is like commiting a small wrong and you thought that the karmic seed is small or that your so-called good intention would help create good karma. As the law of karma is non-linear the small wrong you have committed may actually escalate into a major effect such as someone losing his job, life or possession.
The notion of strange attractors - or law affinity - also come into play.
Does your wrong observation of reality invalidate Buddha's teachings ?
When we say that Buddha was wrong it could be our understanding of Buddha's teaching was wrong.
In what way is my observation wrong?
The laws of nature invalidates the teaching of Buddha entirely.
In what way is my observation wrong?
The laws of nature invalidates the teaching of Buddha entirely.
Your observation and understanding of nature was wrong (breathing part-lah).
Your understanding of Buddha's teaching on cause and effect was faulthy and incomplete. Your understanding was superficial and then you concluded that he was wrong. During Buddha's time there was a monk who thought like you. After listening to Buddha he thought he knew no-self and went around telling everyone who lend him a ear that Buddha was wrong. Buddha heard of it and then called a meeting of all the monks and started questioning this monk. The monk did not really understood what was no-self. Buddha really use some very harsh words then.
I will say this only once. Spreading false teaching or misleading people into not believing the Buddha's teaching has very serious karmic consequences. Buddhism teaching has no specific formula or form as long as it leads to liberation from delusion.
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