Originally posted by likeyou:
Hi EN,
Sorry to side track...I heard that when one die, his soul will leave his/her body.
And he/she can see himself on the bed with children crying etc...
Then there will be some spirit (be it a evil or god) in a form of his/her relatives (or maybe his late father or mother), and not them, there will be others wanting to take his hand. He will be confused (due to his children crying) and see so many spirits (good and bad). If he do many good things in his life, the god will take his hand and bring him to another world.
If he do many bad things, the evil will take his hand and bring him to hell.
That is what I heard from old pple saying.
How true is that?
Thanks alot.
Buddhists were told not to cry in front of the deceased as it will cause the deceased to have attachments or the deceased will have no peace (confused). If you really want to cry, go to one side, away from the deceased.
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:Buddhists were told not to cry in front of the deceased as it will cause the deceased to have attachments or the deceased will have no peace (confused). If you really want to cry, go to one side, away from the deceased.
You mention confused. You mean the deceased soul will confuse as to whether pick who's hand to go to? I mean the soul come out from the body and there will be many hand, evil and angel asking you to come over. And the soul see his family members cried and the soul get confused? Sorry...long story from me.
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:Buddhists were told not to cry in front of the deceased as it will cause the deceased to have attachments or the deceased will have no peace (confused). If you really want to cry, go to one side, away from the deceased.
to go further, the Buddha has taught that all conditioned phenomenon, like our bodies (the 5 aggregates), will one day, grow old and die. it is nature's way. knowing thus, one should not grieve or feel sad for the departed. the departed will then be reborn according to his/her karma and his/her last thought moment.
Originally posted by likeyou:
You mention confused. You mean the deceased soul will confuse as to whether pick who's hand to go to? I mean the soul come out from the body and there will be many hand, evil and angel asking you to come over. And the soul see his family members cried and the soul get confused? Sorry...long story from me.
there are no soul in Buddhism. the concept of anatta, or no self or soul, is alien to many religions. Buddhism is probably the first who teaches no self or soul.
Originally posted by likeyou:
You mention confused. You mean the deceased soul will confuse as to whether pick who's hand to go to? I mean the soul come out from the body and there will be many hand, evil and angel asking you to come over. And the soul see his family members cried and the soul get confused? Sorry...long story from me.
No, what I mean is the deceased does not have peace.May be confused is not the right word to use.
Originally posted by Rooney9:to go further, the Buddha has taught that all conditioned phenomenon, like our bodies (the 5 aggregates), will one day, grow old and die. it is nature's way. knowing thus, one should not grieve or feel sad for the departed. the departed will then be reborn according to his/her karma and his/her last thought moment.
About the last thought moment, what is one thinking before very last second of life.....
Originally posted by likeyou:
About the last thought moment, what is one thinking before very last second of life.....
how would I know, I am not dead yet lol. it just happen so fast that you wouldnt even know it what was your last thought moment.
if your last thought is wholesome, then good for you. if your last thought moment is bad or unwholesome, woe for you. thats why its better to be left alone to die, than have your family there crying and wailing in your presence cos you will surely cant bear to leave them. if you still miss them when you die, then most likely you will be reborn as a ghost cos of your strong attachment.
When a person dies, he/she will shed tears.....I wonder whether is that a person soul are confused or rather the deceased heart pain to leave the family behind.....
Originally posted by likeyou:
You mention confused. You mean the deceased soul will confuse as to whether pick who's hand to go to? I mean the soul come out from the body and there will be many hand, evil and angel asking you to come over. And the soul see his family members cried and the soul get confused? Sorry...long story from me.
No, when you die, you don't necessarily see hell beings or heaven beings. It depends for each person. Each person's case is different. Do also read through my previous reply to you.
Originally posted by likeyou:When a person dies, he/she will shed tears.....I wonder whether is that a person soul are confused or rather the deceased heart pain to leave the family behind.....
Their crying can cause attachment to the deceased.
If a person is too attached to family, posessions, and his old life, he may have difficulty being reborn.
After the 49 day period of opportunity to reborn is over, if he is still not reborn due to his attachments, he will fall into the ghost realm who guards over his family, posessions, and so on. It is pitiful. That is why it is very important to let go when dying.
then also what about this touching or not touching the forehead part. should touch or not touch the forehead..reason being that the forehead is like some sort of 'gateway' so the deceased can go on to higher realm or something
we have watched Passion of Christ, Da Vinci Code...all good movies that share a common thread - the hidden secrets and truths behind all great religions...how do the founders live and think in human terms than godly terms? How could Sakyamuni have lived, loved, sorrows and die?
This brings me to want to understand religions from psychological perspectives and human accounts...what could have happen based on the social, economics, cultures and beliefs of that era....that may give a complete picture of HIS rise as a great religious leader...
personally, that is more challenging than purely reading teachings and scriptures....that paves surprising insights to the inner life of their lives and their influences...
having read most accounts of Buddha life...they appear to be all the same "straight line" effect..without much psychological depths..in a way lacking 3D or reality...
i longed for a great movie based on psychological perspectives or untold secrets of HIS life and thoughts....
Originally posted by Fcukpap:we have watched Passion of Christ, Da Vinci Code...all good movies that share a common thread - the hidden secrets and truths behind all great religions...how do the founders live and think in human terms than godly terms? How could Sakyamuni have lived, loved, sorrows and die?
This brings me to want to understand religions from psychological perspectives and human accounts...what could have happen based on the social, economics, cultures and beliefs of that era....that may give a complete picture of HIS rise as a great religious leader...
personally, that is more challenging than purely reading teachings and scriptures....that paves surprising insights to the inner life of their lives and their influences...
Shakyamuni would not gone through the human stage as he was born with the path of being enlightened.
Originally posted by Aloozer:then also what about this touching or not touching the forehead part. should touch or not touch the forehead..reason being that the forehead is like some sort of 'gateway' so the deceased can go on to higher realm or something
When one's die, some pple ever put a small pure pearl in the decease mouth (just in front of the teeth. What is the meaning behind it?
Originally posted by As romanista2001:forgive me if this question has been asked before in a thread. but i have to know............
what if i'm reborn as a Muslim or Christian, etc etc in my next life ? wouldn't i be ''going backwards'' by following these false religions ?
or would a Buddhist always be reborn as a Buddhist ? so far, most of the reincarnation stories i've read seems to have people reborn in the same countries, race and sex too...................is that true ?
many thanks.
Probably true!
"A teenage boy has been meditating in a Nepalese jungle for six months, and thousands have flocked to see him, with some believing he is the reincarnation of Buddha," -AP
Originally posted by Fcukpap:having read most accounts of Buddha life...they appear to be all the same "straight line" effect..without much psychological depths..in a way lacking 3D or reality...
i longed for a great movie based on psychological perspectives or untold secrets of HIS life and thoughts....
This should explain what he experienced:
Originally posted by Fcukpap:we have watched Passion of Christ, Da Vinci Code...all good movies that share a common thread - the hidden secrets and truths behind all great religions...how do the founders live and think in human terms than godly terms? How could Sakyamuni have lived, loved, sorrows and die?
After enlightenment, Buddha overcame all attachments and sorrows and sufferings.
As for his death, this is recorded in the Mahaparinibanna sutta.
Originally posted by googoomuck:Probably true!
"A teenage boy has been meditating in a Nepalese jungle for six months, and thousands have flocked to see him, with some believing he is the reincarnation of Buddha," -AP
This one is definitely a reincarnate of a well practiced yogi. He has been meditating without food, water, or rest for many years by now, which many people see as miraculous. (Discovery channel has also video recorded him for many many days even through the night, and it is true he did not even moved an inch from his meditation position) Some people thinks he is a Buddha, but he himself said he is only at the level of a teacher (lama) but is not a Buddha. He intends to stop meditating only at the 6th year.
Originally posted by likeyou:
When one's die, some pple ever put a small pure pearl in the decease mouth (just in front of the teeth. What is the meaning behind it?
That is Taoist practice. I guess the family members are hoping that by doing so the deceased will have food to eat or have a good rebirth.
Originally posted by likeyou:
About the last thought moment, what is one thinking before very last second of life.....
I heard the last thought has to do with your habit. Thus, we are encouraged to recite the name of Buddha so our last thought will be Buddha.
You know, elderly likes to say he/she must see who and who before he/she passed away. That is no good, strong attachment.
About few days before my father death, I chanted for his health...and beads on my hands...after chanting, I gave the beads and my father took and bead and pray before returning to me. And I chant again.......pple might think it is silly, but that is the most I can do. I am helpless and hopeless during that time. Chanting to cancel my 10 yr life for him also....Silly isnt?
Originally posted by likeyou:About few days before my father death, I chanted for his health...and beads on my hands...after chanting, I gave the beads and my father took and bead and pray before returning to me. And I chant again.......pple might think it is silly, but that is the most I can do. I am helpless and hopeless during that time. Chanting to cancel my 10 yr life for him also....Silly isnt?
That is not silly. Your father would be very touch if he knew you are chanting to shorten your life span for him. Your father was considered lucky enough to die of old age and have a filial daughter like you. Your chanting would not go to waste, it would help him in other ways.
Nowadays, not many people die of old age. I have seen many are dying young.
Originally posted by likeyou:About few days before my father death, I chanted for his health...and beads on my hands...after chanting, I gave the beads and my father took and bead and pray before returning to me. And I chant again.......pple might think it is silly, but that is the most I can do. I am helpless and hopeless during that time. Chanting to cancel my 10 yr life for him also....Silly isnt?
Pardon me but i don't think chanting will cancel 10 years of your life-span and transfer 10 years of life span to him. But chanting definitely has its own benefits and can help people. For example, after every chanting, you dedicate the merits to your father.
I have heard of cases where people who had serious illness like cancer were cured when they sincerely chant Amitabha. I also heard of cases where people cured their cancer by practising meditation. There is a book by Mahasi Sayadaw - Dhamma therapy which recorded how their students cured their own illness by meditation.
And of course if one is ill, one should seek treatment for their sickness through the normal proper way.