Penalty after death
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Originally posted by Dondontan:
tsk tsk tsk
Penalty after you die? Worry about yourself? You should be selfless instead of being selfish.
You shall be punished because of your bad karma in the past as well as in the present. What was your screwed up past life like? Want to share with everybody? Since your present karmic debt is so terrible as can be shown in your trolling in EH, it is fair and just that you should worry and suffer from nightmares about penalty after death, isn't that so?
You are also selfish, thinking about what will happen to you only. How about volunteering in the hospices and help the dying live out their remaining days with dignity?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Tell me. How do you educate a dimwit like loony9?
For a start, we are all here to share ideas, not impose!
Moreover, if I call a person loony, coward, nincompoop, dimwit, I don't think he'll even respect me,let alone to listen to me!
We're way off topic, so please, if you have the patience, stay a while and read and share some of your insights. I do not wish to censured for off topic comments!
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
tsk tsk tsk
Penalty after you die? Worry about yourself? You should be selfless instead of being selfish.
You shall be punished because of your bad karma in the past as well as in the present. What was your screwed up past life like? Want to share with everybody? Since your present karmic debt is so terrible as can be shown in your trolling in EH, it is fair and just that you should worry and suffer from nightmares about penalty after death, isn't that so?
You are also selfish, thinking about what will happen to you only. How about volunteering in the hospices and help the dying live out their remaining days with dignity?
Do you believe in karma, googoomuck?
What are your views?
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If I am you, I will ignore gogomuck cause he is a troll. dun believe? go ask someone else.
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Originally posted by Weychin:
Do you believe in karma, googoomuck?
What are your views?
Christians believe in reap and sow as in the bible.This troll has been dumping rubbish from Eternal Hope to this forum. Very persistent to carry out his trolling activities. Asked him bible questions, he is not interested or has no knowledge to answer and continue to bash non christians.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
If I am you, I will ignore gogomuck cause he is a troll. dun believe? go ask someone else.
He is forever pointing fingers to find fault but never look at himself. -
Ok guys, no more personal attacks from now - if you have any issue with anyone, settle by PM.
Back to topic.
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Allow me to quote this story from Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva's Original Vows Sutra:
“Moreover, long and infinite aeons ago, Buddha Pure-Lotus-Eyes came into the world. This Buddha’s lifespan is forty aeons. The immortal Buddha, Pure-Lotus-Eyes existed during the Dharma-Image Age – at the time when images were used for worship.
There was an arahant who instructed many people little by little with his fortunate merits. This arahant met a woman, Bright Eyes, who prepared sacrificial offerings for him. The arahant asked her what she wanted. Bright Eyes answered, “I have prayed and given offerings in memory of my mother since the day she died. I wish to know where my mother is now.” The arahant felt compassion for Bright Eyes. He meditated and saw that her mother had fallen into an evil level and had suffered great pain.
The arahant asked Bright Eyes, “What did your mother do when she was alive? She is now suffering in hell.” Bright Eyes answered, “My mother loved eating fish, especially baby fish. She fried or boiled thousands of baby fish, willfully, as she pleased. Please nobel one be merciful and help my mother.” The arahant felt compassion for her and advised Bright Eyes, “Reverently recite the name of Buddha Pure-Lotus-Eyes and draw an image of him to benefit all those beings either living or dead.”
So Bright Eyes sold all her favorite things as soon as she heard the arhan’s instructions. Then she asked a painter to draw the Buddha’s portrait. She gave offerings in sacrifice, and with a reverent heart sorrowfully wept as she worshipped the Buddha. Unexpectedly one night, as if in a dream, she saw a Buddha who was as tall as Mount Sumeru, emitting bright and shining light. This Buddha told Bright Eyes, “Your mother will be soon reborn in your house. She will be able to speak soon after she feels hunger and cold.”
After some time, a maidservant of Bright Eyes family bore a baby. This baby could speak three days after her birth.
Bowing her head and crying, she told Bright Eyes, “One has to suffer the consequences and retributions of one’s own doing throughout life and death. I was your mother. I stayed in hell for a long time. Since we parted, I have fallen into hell several times. Because of you, I am born here as a servant. But I will die early; I will only live until I am thirteen years old. After I die, I will fall into an evil level again. Do you have any way to relieve me from these sufferings?”
After listening to the words of the servant’s baby, Bright Eyes realized this baby was her mother. She asked her sorrowfully, and with tears, “When you were my mother, do you know what you did to make you fall into an evil level?” The baby answered, “I am suffering this retribution due to the karma of killing and slandering. If it were not for you saving me from suffering, I would not be released from such karma.”
Bright Eyes asked about the situation in hell and the baby answered, “It was so horrible that I dare not remind myself of it again. And the sufferings there cannot be stated even in thousands of years.”
Bright Eyes wept and wailed after listening to the baby’s statement. She swore into empty space, “May my mother leave hell forever and not fall into evil again after her thirteen years on earth. Please all Buddhas from the Ten Directions have mercy upon me; listen to my solemn pledge for my mother. If my mother can leave the three evil levels forever, and does not take any humble position or ever be born as woman, I vow, in front of Buddha Pure-Lotus-Eyes that from now on I will save and work towards cultivating all beings in all worlds, hells and evil levels out of suffering. I do not want to become a Buddha until all of them become Buddhas.”
Bright Eyes then clearly heard Buddha Pure-Lotus- Eyes who told her, “Bright Eyes, you have great benevolent and compassion to make such a great vow for your mother. After your mother finishes thirteen years’ retribution, she will be born into Brahmin class for one hundred years. In her next life, she will again be born into the Land of No Concern for uncountable aeons. Then, she will become a Buddha to help to cross over as many human and heavenly beings as there are sands in the Ganges.”
Buddha told Bodhisattva Self-Existent King, “The arahant who helped Bright Eyes at that time is now the Bodhisattva Inexhaustible-Intention. The mother of Bright Eyes is the Bodhisattva Liberation. And Bright Eyes herself is now the Bodhisattva Ksitigarbha. Throughout many aeons, Bodhisattva Ksitigarbha has crossed over all beings by his benevolence and compassion. He has made as many vows to rescue living beings as there are grains of sand in the Ganges.
*Land of No-Concern - interpreted by some Buddhist books and Venerables to be Amitabha Buddha's Pureland.
Note that the arahant voluntarily ask what he could do to help Bright Eyes after he had finished his meal. This is definitely pro-active compassion in my humble opinion.