There appears to be quite a few learned and wise Buddhists in this forum. But I noticed something strange when I found regular Buddhists in this forum behaving so aggressively on a daily basis in another SGforum: Eternal Hope (http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381). I'm not sure if such behaviour also appears in other similar forums elsewhere.
I'm sure other regular and peace-loving readers of this forum will also like to know: what's Buddhism's views about aggression towards people of other faiths and religions?
Will the moderators or learned Buddhists in this forum like to share your views, and provide relevant quotes to support or condone such aggressive behaviour towards people of other faiths?
PS: I am a regular reader of SGforums, and I didn't feel the need to post, until now, as it's a pretty disturbing situation, especially for new Buddhists.
Buddha already addressed this.
Kinds of speech to be avoided by contemplatives
"Whereas some priests and contemplatives, living
off food given in
faith, are addicted to talking about lowly
topics such as these --
talking about kings, robbers, ministers of
state; armies, alarms,
and battles; food and drink; clothing,
furniture, garlands, and
scents; relatives; vehicles; villages, towns,
cities, the
countryside; women and heroes; the gossip of the
street and the
well; tales of the dead; tales of diversity
[philosophical
discussions of the past and future], the
creation of the world and
of the sea, and talk of whether things exist or
not -- he abstains
from talking about lowly topics such as these.
This, too, is part
of his virtue.
"Whereas some priests and contemplatives, living
off food given in
faith, are addicted to debates such as these --
'You understand
this doctrine and discipline? I'm the one who
understands this
doctrine and discipline. How could you
understand this doctrine and
discipline? You're practicing wrongly. I'm
practicing rightly. I'm
being consistent. You're not. What should be
said first you said
last. What should be said last you said first.
What you took so
long to think out has been refuted. Your
doctrine has been
overthrown. You're defeated. Go and try to
salvage your doctrine;
extricate yourself if you can!' -- he abstains
from debates such as
these. This, too, is part of his virtue."
-- DN 2
Ten wholesome topics of conversation
"There are these ten topics of [proper]
conversation. Which ten?
Talk on modesty, on contentment, on seclusion,
on non-entanglement,
on arousing persistence, on virtue, on
concentration, on
discernment, on release, and on the knowledge
& vision of
release. These are the ten topics of
conversation. If you were to
engage repeatedly in these ten topics of
conversation, you would
outshine even the sun & moon, so mighty, so
powerful -- to say
nothing of the wanderers of other sects."
-- AN X.69
Originally posted by I Am Oneness:There appears to be quite a few learned and wise Buddhists in this forum. But I noticed something strange when I found regular Buddhists in this forum behaving so aggressively on a daily basis in another SGforum: Eternal Hope (http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381). I'm not sure if such behaviour also appears in other similar forums elsewhere.
I'm sure other regular and peace-loving readers of this forum will also like to know: what's Buddhism's views about aggression towards people of other faiths and religions?
Will the moderators or learned Buddhists in this forum like to share your views, and provide relevant quotes to support or condone such aggressive behaviour towards people of other faiths?
PS: I am a regular reader of SGforums, and I didn't feel the need to post, until now, as it's a pretty disturbing situation, especially for new Buddhists.
Why did you not ask about what is Christianity view about christians behaving aggressively towards non christians in the Eternal Hope and Buddhism: Wisdom Bliss forums?
They are atheists behaving aggressviely in Eternal Hope, did you go ask them the same question?
Trolling.
Please share your views!
However,it would be kind of you to define the acts of aggression, and maybe directly correspond with the person or persons whom you feel has acted out of step in accordance to what you feel Buddhism behaviour should be? Awareness is key!
There must be some subliminal issues bothering these lay Buddhist that their actions are deemed aggressive, perhaps you have some suggestions for them and shed some light !
Please understand this an open forum just like any other, free for any individual to come and post, I am not sure anybody can censure for what another person does in another forum! That remains the job of the moderator of the other forums!
Thank you for your kind patience!
Remember, being a Buddhist is not their only identity, they are Singaporeans ,young adults etc.
Why did he not mention the troll googoomuck invaded this buddhism forum just for the sake of attacking buddhists?
In christianity, the behaviour of googoomuck is absolutely unacceptable. Christians are taught to show God's love and love their enemies, they are suppose to be peaceloving.
Another troll.
Wow, just register to post such a question really tells something out of this forumer. Troll.
Buddhists are humans after all... Of course some individuals will feel offended if other non-buddhists keep criticizing without understanding.
Dont u agree?
what a keen practitioner may do is engage in the sharings that will help one's progress. at the same time it is important to also share good teachings with other practitioners.
while i agree that some persistent postings with wrong views need to be corrected, there are times when such exchanges are redundant.
taking this approach, one may learn to discern and identify postings that are beneficial and engage in these sharings, and distance away from postings that are otherwise.
while some may be concerned about postings in other forums, let them be.
while some may not be concerned about postings in other forums, let them be.
I consider Gandhi a good role model . Do you think peace-loving Buddhists ought to be like him? I hope the more experienced seniors here will share more real-life lessons about what Buddhism really means, and the good it does in improving a person's character. Wonder how many SOKA members are readers of this forum. hopefully they'll share more insights to help.
Originally posted by geis:what a keen practitioner may do is engage in the sharings that will help one's progress. at the same time it is important to also share good teachings with other practitioners.
while i agree that some persistent postings with wrong views need to be corrected, there are times when such exchanges are redundant.
taking this approach, one may learn to discern and identify postings that are beneficial and engage in these sharings, and distance away from postings that are otherwise.
while some may be concerned about postings in other forums, let them be.
while some may not be concerned about postings in other forums, let them be.
?
Jesus is the model for christians, why many christians including the oneness not practising what Jesus did.
Alert 2nd christian troll in buddhism forum!
Originally posted by I Am Oneness:There appears to be quite a few learned and wise Buddhists in this forum. But I noticed something strange when I found regular Buddhists in this forum behaving so aggressively on a daily basis in another SGforum: Eternal Hope (http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381). I'm not sure if such behaviour also appears in other similar forums elsewhere.
I'm sure other regular and peace-loving readers of this forum will also like to know: what's Buddhism's views about aggression towards people of other faiths and religions?
Will the moderators or learned Buddhists in this forum like to share your views, and provide relevant quotes to support or condone such aggressive behaviour towards people of other faiths?
PS: I am a regular reader of SGforums, and I didn't feel the need to post, until now, as it's a pretty disturbing situation, especially for new Buddhists.
Forumers who post here may not be Buddhists, some are atheists or Buddhists to be who are trying to find some answers at WB. Thus, I wonder how you differentiate who are the Buddhists and who are the atheists. Sometimes, I also can't tell.
This is an open forum which is meant for open discussion. I guess those who come here have to be mentally prepared to take the heat. I agree that Buddhists today are more vocal but most of them speak on facts. No matter how we still can't compare with Christians especially people like Rony Tan because Buddhists are mindful of karma. I think you also have seen what ironfist had written but he is kind enough to apologise though not from the heart.
There are many Christians out there like ironfist and Rony Tan.
Originally posted by Dondontan:Alert 2nd christian troll in buddhism forum!
Looks more like clone to me. Guess who?
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Looks more like clone to me. Guess who?
might be one of those nasty ones from EH. Definitely not Barbara. Barbara is a nice and kind christian lady.
ironfist is a lady fyi.
Originally posted by Rooney9:ironfist is a lady fyi.
How you know? YOu physically stalk her?
i have mentioned also in very early threads on constant bashing of other faiths and uphold own religion....what difference does it make on your own if you bash on other faiths?
Originally posted by Fcukpap:i have mentioned also in very early threads on constant bashing of other faiths and uphold own religion....what difference does it make on your own if you bash on other faiths?
Get the facts and reality right before you point fingers here.
as well as u....who do u know who i m saying? ...
check before you put on others...isnt that a clear demonstration?
Dear I-am-oneness,
The Buddhist view is always one of non-aggression, love/compassion & wisdom. Buddha did exhort us not to criticize other faiths and religions. However, i think if there are practices conductd by other faiths or denominations that are harmful to beings in general then it shd be ok to denounce the practice itself. An eg is animal sacrifice.
this world has a wide variety of people with varying conduct, character and so forth. We can't expect everyone to conform to some ideal, no matter how wonderful it is. Trying to impose one's own expectations on others will generally lead to disappointment and perhaps create even more animosity. So dun create war in the name of peace, dun kill in the name of love.
A unique characteristic of Buddhism is the absence of dogmatism and fanaticism. We do not cling to extremes whether in material or ideological terms. In the teachings, it is said "If there is grasping, there is no view." Which means, our view is one of no grasping to any view ultimately. Thus, in Buddhism, trying to adamantly establish a so-called perfect view-pt and then to impose one's views on others shows a lack of understanding.
In general, when others criticise one's own beliefs, the main impulse to respond roots partially from a sense of insecurity in one's own faith which is really lack of faith or confidence. If something is true, it remains true no matter the amount of averse opinions against it. One does not feel in the slightest threatened. Suppose i shd insist that you are blind, when you can perfectly see, then it doesn't become much of an issue for you. You know you can see, that's all that matters. Would you engage in a lively debate on it?
The only reason why we wish to respond to any misstatements in the Buddhist forum shd be to prevent a misunderstanding of the teachings for those who wish to learn. Any negative motivation from pride, anger and jealousy will only be a cause for negative repercussions in the future.
(p/s: having said 'dun kill in the name of love' , sometimes, there may be exceptions... there are also such examples in Buddhist history, but guided by completely authentic motivation of wishing to benefit others, heehee... sorry, as i said, views are not fixed.)
I don't like TS nick So full of oneself. Buddhism practises selflessness not oneness For that TS already failed to even enter a budhism shrine let alone even discuss about the religion Oneness pm me i brush you up good good My nick says it all
Originally posted by Rooney9:ironfist is a lady fyi.
I am a Man.
I already apologise dun mention me pls.
Moderator pls tell them dun mention my name . I already din post any thing in this forum already.
Dawn and rooney still talking bad abt me.
I am a man not lady ... ...
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:Forumers who post here may not be Buddhists, some are atheists or Buddhists to be who are trying to find some answers at WB. Thus, I wonder how you differentiate who are the Buddhists and who are the atheists. Sometimes, I also can't tell.
This is an open forum which is meant for open discussion. I guess those who come here have to be mentally prepared to take the heat. I agree that Buddhists today are more vocal but most of them speak on facts. No matter how we still can't compare with Christians especially people like Rony Tan because Buddhists are mindful of karma. I think you also have seen what ironfist had written but he is kind enough to apologise though not from the heart.
There are many Christians out there like ironfist and Rony Tan.
Talking bad about me. Pls stop .
Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:Talking bad about me. Pls stop .
Talking facts. I know, sometimes facts hurt. Sorry !