Maybe TS is faithed to be with a christian, I mean have christian bone on you.
Good luck and god bless you always.
christianity makes u fat
buddhism makes u bony
taoism makes u formless
so what is the best?
believe in yourself la...lol
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:One fine day I realized I am God.
But this is actually a statement of great humility. In this insight, the 'I' that I knew had disappeared into the primordial Source.
This universal intelligence spinning the earth, growing the grass and the nails, and expressing itself as this very moment of consciousness... this isn't something 'I' as a separate individual self could ever do, because the separate 'I' has never existed. It is a word that is powerless.
"I, the supreme source ["All-Creating King"], am the sole maker, and no other agent exists in the world. The nature of phenomena is created through me ... The very manifestation of existence itself depends on me ... I am self-arising wisdom that has existed from the beginning. I am the supreme source of everything, pure and total consciousness ...'Consciousness' means that self-arising wisdom, the true essence, dominates and clearly perceives all the phenomena of the animate and inanimate universe. This self-arising fundamental substance, not produced by causes and condition, governs all things and gives life to all things ... As my nature is unhindered and all-pervading, it is the celestial abode of wisdom and luminous space: therein abides only self-arising wisdom. As I am the substance whence everything arises, the five great elements, the three worlds [i.e. the worlds of Desire, Form, and Formlessness] and the six classes of beings [hell-denizens, ghosts, animals, humans, Titans, and gods] are only my body, my voice, and my mind: I myself create my own nature ... The root of all phenomena is pure and total consciousness, the source. All that appears is my nature. All that manifests is my magical display. All sounds and words express only my meaning ...
"I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists. I am the root of existence. I am 'the core', because I contain all phenomena. I am 'the seed', because I give birth to everything. I am 'the cause', because all comes forth from me. I am 'the trunk', because the ramificationsof every event sprout from me. I am 'the foundation', because all abides in me. I am called 'the root', because I am everything [emphasis added]" (Translation of "The All-Creating King", published as The Supreme Source, tr. by Adriano Clemente and Andrew Lukianowicz, Snow Lion Publications, Ithaca, New York 1999, pp. 137-141, 157).
yes...and to add...
the nature of "God"or the "One" can also manifest through the most sinful person as when compassion awakens beyond his own, even at the spark of the moment...whether it will last depends solely on the strength of his conviction...
be it a christian, a buddhist or any other faiths....anywhere and through any one of whatever creed or status....
Originally posted by -StarDust-:
We also gradually follow them. I very long never scold bad word liao.
ya, we also think that if one can follow those disciplines as mentioned, one is sure to be born in heaven.
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IMO, it is very normal to lose faith in Buddhism for some, due to lack of understanding that all living is Buddha. And buddhism never impose on others because it is omnipresent. As a result, it can't possibly has any application of imposing, it depends on yuan. The enlightened one will also never give up them, this life having difficulty in understanding, nevermind, next life, next life not ready, life after next. This life in contempt of ownself, nevermind, next life, next life still got "the slightest" moment to contempt own nature, nevermind, life after next. One day, the oath of attaining Buddha will realise as you has what it take to become Buddha :)
Amitabha
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:One fine day I realized I am God.
But this is actually a statement of great humility. In this insight, the 'I' that I knew had disappeared into the primordial Source.
This universal intelligence spinning the earth, growing the grass and the nails, and expressing itself as this very moment of consciousness... this isn't something 'I' as a separate individual self could ever do, because the separate 'I' has never existed. It is a word that is powerless.
"I, the supreme source ["All-Creating King"], am the sole maker, and no other agent exists in the world. The nature of phenomena is created through me ... The very manifestation of existence itself depends on me ... I am self-arising wisdom that has existed from the beginning. I am the supreme source of everything, pure and total consciousness ...'Consciousness' means that self-arising wisdom, the true essence, dominates and clearly perceives all the phenomena of the animate and inanimate universe. This self-arising fundamental substance, not produced by causes and condition, governs all things and gives life to all things ... As my nature is unhindered and all-pervading, it is the celestial abode of wisdom and luminous space: therein abides only self-arising wisdom. As I am the substance whence everything arises, the five great elements, the three worlds [i.e. the worlds of Desire, Form, and Formlessness] and the six classes of beings [hell-denizens, ghosts, animals, humans, Titans, and gods] are only my body, my voice, and my mind: I myself create my own nature ... The root of all phenomena is pure and total consciousness, the source. All that appears is my nature. All that manifests is my magical display. All sounds and words express only my meaning ...
"I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists. I am the root of existence. I am 'the core', because I contain all phenomena. I am 'the seed', because I give birth to everything. I am 'the cause', because all comes forth from me. I am 'the trunk', because the ramificationsof every event sprout from me. I am 'the foundation', because all abides in me. I am called 'the root', because I am everything [emphasis added]" (Translation of "The All-Creating King", published as The Supreme Source, tr. by Adriano Clemente and Andrew Lukianowicz, Snow Lion Publications, Ithaca, New York 1999, pp. 137-141, 157).
Yep... that's how i understood 'God' to be. Not some personal Being or old man in the sky.
The Supreme Source, which is a Dzogchen (Buddhist) text that describe as if the Source is speaking/narrating. In my opinion, it is the closest describe of something like 'God' in Buddhism. But it cannot and should not be read and digest intellectually.
Regardless of religion, this kind of personified description can be easily misinterpreted and the meaning skewed over time.
Perhaps... it already has...
We cannot force pple to accept a religion.
It all depends on one's heart.
Recently I saw a old man with a young girl dietributing a flyer under a hot sun.Pity them, I took 1 flyer hoping they can finish early and go back.
But, to my big surprise, when the old man gave my the flyer, out come out this sentence from his mouth: "Excuses, did you ever go the church before?"
I smiled at them, wave no no and walk off.
For the flyer, I throw it in the dustbin.
Originally posted by Fcukpap:christianity makes u fat
buddhism makes u bony
taoism makes u formless
so what is the best?
believe in yourself la...lol
I know many thin people in church.
IMO, the size of living beings is not a concern in Buddhism. It is matter related to the understanding and dwelling on enlightenment.
Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I know many thin people in church.
Thin or skinny pple are healty than fat pple.
Originally posted by simpo_:Yep... that's how i understood 'God' to be. Not some personal Being or old man in the sky.
The Supreme Source, which is a Dzogchen (Buddhist) text that describe as if the Source is speaking/narrating. In my opinion, it is the closest describe of something like 'God' in Buddhism. But it cannot and should not be read and digest intellectually.
Regardless of religion, this kind of personified description can be easily misinterpreted and the meaning skewed over time.
Perhaps... it already has...
Concur.
å…祖大師法寶壇經:
何期自性本自清淨。True Nature is Originally Pure.
何期自性本�生滅。True Nature is Originally neither arising nor ceasing.
何期自性本自具足。True Nature is Originally Inclusive
何期自性本無動�。True Nature is Originally Still.
何期自性能生�法。True Nature is able to Produce all dharma.
True Nature is Originally neither arising nor ceasing, mean it's beyond time space.
In buddhism we say, Fate of each person are different due to past karma Engineered by each person rather than by predetermined god.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
Concur.å…祖大師法寶壇經:
何期自性本自清淨。True Nature is Originally Pure.
何期自性本�生滅。True Nature is Originally neither arising nor ceasing.
何期自性本自具足。True Nature is Originally Inclusive
何期自性本無動�。True Nature is Originally Still.
何期自性能生�法。True Nature is able to Produce all dharma.
True Nature is Originally neither arising nor ceasing, mean it's beyond time space.
In buddhism we say, Fate of each person are different due to past karma Engineered by each person rather than by predetermined god.
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I like to learn more about å…祖壇經. I heard someone told me that if one can understand å…祖壇經, one is close to enlightenment. It is profound and enlightening.
I will start a thread on å…祖壇經, please post more information if anyone knows. Kindly share and discuss.
Originally posted by *=Optimus=*:lmao, poster must be a christian troll. DON'T FEED THE TROLL
Yes, I agree. TS is so bo liao. These two religions are so different in many ways and he expects buddhism to be practising the same as christianity (the detachment query he posted).
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:I like to learn more about å…祖壇經. I heard someone told me that if one can understand å…祖壇經, one is close to enlightenment. It is profound and enlightening.
I will start a thread on å…祖壇經, please post more information if anyone knows. Kindly share and discuss.
Amituofo!
i didn't study much on Platform sutra. the stanza was repeated by MCK.
i use to read commentries on Shurangama Sutra which helped me a lot in insight.
but MCK often say if u can really understand one, u should be able to understand all, like Hui Neng understanding Lotus and Nirvana Sutra without much studing them.
Shurangama is more to open wisdom/insight, and Platform more to understand Emptiness.
�佛的法� 开智的楞严 往生的弥陀 玻执的金刚 入界的�严 解空的般若
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
�佛的法� 开智的楞严 往生的弥陀 玻执的金刚 入界的�严 解空的般若
Very nice! What is 玻执, 入界 and 解空 by the way?
...digress a bit back to vegetarianism (where poeple don't eat meat, but still eat eggs and/or milk and dairy products) and veganism (where people don't consume any form of animal product at all and avoid using them in daily life).
There are some people who consider veganism as an extreme diet. Which is certainly not the case, a vegan diet can be well-balanced if you know how to eat. There are those who go vegan for the environment and health and can sustain long on it. Many of the others I knew believe in compassion and that animals should not be exploited. There is no such thing as extreme compassion.
Weight loss on a veg diet is definitely not the usual case and varies depending on individual, for myself I haven't lost weight, and recently gain some weight. It really depends on what you are eating. If you are losing weight, it may be that your portions are too small, or you are losing the weight you shouldn't be having. If you are worried, you can take more nuts - almonds, walnuts, peanuts, cashew nuts etc., sure put on weight.
Originally posted by zero thought:What is 玻执, 入界 and 解空 by the way?
玻执= Overcome attachment.
入界= Entry into Hua Yan Stage/"World" �严境界 or Great Nirvana. All Buddhas' Dharmadhatu 法界.
解空= Awakened to Emptiness.
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Hasene sorry lastime I bully u in eternal hope. I have repented my misdeeds. I wont bully people again.
Let's be frenz hasne?
Originally posted by likeyou:
Thin or skinny pple are healty than fat pple.
Too skiny nt good too.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
Amituofo!
i didn't study much on Platform sutra. the stanza was repeated by MCK.
i use to read commentries on Shurangama Sutra which helped me a lot in insight.
but MCK often say if u can really understand one, u should be able to understand all, like Hui Neng understanding Lotus and Nirvana Sutra without much studing them.
Shurangama is more to open wisdom/insight, and Platform more to understand Emptiness.
�佛的法� 开智的楞严 往生的弥陀 玻执的金刚 入界的�严 解空的般若
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解空的般若 is not Platform sutra... it's referring to Prajnaparamita Sutra.
The key topics of Platform Sutra are sudden enlightenment (é “æ‚Ÿ), the direct perception of one's true nature, and the unity in essence of śīla, dhyÄ�na and prajñÄ�.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:解空的般若 is not Platform sutra... it's referring to Prajnaparamita Sutra.
The key topics of Platform Sutra are sudden enlightenment (é “æ‚Ÿ), the direct perception of one's true nature, and the unity in essence of śīla, dhyÄ�na and prajñÄ�.
ya i know that Platform sutra is not Prajnaparamita Sutra.
般若-波羅蜜 is Prajna-paramita. Prajnaparamita is related to Heart(PrajñÄ�pÄ�ramitÄ� Há¹›daya 般若波羅蜜多心經) and Diamond sutra(VajracchedikÄ� PrajñÄ�pÄ�ramitÄ� SÅ«tra) 金剛般若波羅蜜經 and Maha-prajnaparamita Sutra 大般若波罗蜜多ç»�.
so i mean since ch'an school refer to 般若 Prajna and the Platform(fully å�—å®—é “æ•™æœ€ä¸Šå¤§ä¹˜æ‘©è¨¶èˆ¬è‹¥æ³¢ç¾…èœœç¶“å…ç¥–æƒ èƒ½å¤§å¸«æ–¼éŸ¶å·žå¤§æ¢µå¯ºæ–½æ³•å£‡ç¶“) a lot, they are all related in a way. and i'm thinking ch'an school is more related to realising true emptiness as compare to 法å�Ž, 楞严, 弥陀. Realising true emptiness is the same as direct perception of one's true nature.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
ya i know that Platform sutra is not Prajnaparamita Sutra.般若 is Prajnaparamita. Prajnaparamita is related to Heart(PrajñÄ�pÄ�ramitÄ� Há¹›daya 般若波羅蜜多心經) and Diamond sutra(VajracchedikÄ� PrajñÄ�pÄ�ramitÄ� SÅ«tra) 金剛般若波羅蜜經 and Maha-prajnaparamita Sutra 大般若ç»�.
so i mean since ch'an school refer to 般若 and the Platform a lot, they are all related in a way. and i'm thinking it is more related to realising true emptiness as compare to 法�, 楞严, 弥陀. Realising true emptiness is the same as direct perception of one's true nature.
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I think Platform Sutra has a mixture of Prajnaparamita Sutra and Shurangama Sutra even though Hui-neng did not study Shurangama as far as I know. If Prajnaparamita Sutras are considered the second turning, Shurangama Sutra is like the third turning sutra.
Prajnaparamita Sutra emphasis is on emptiness. Shurangama is on the union of luminosity and emptiness. The brilliant luminous clarity of mind and the non-duality of mind and appearances. Lankavatara sutra also falls under the third turning category. Platform Sutra talks about both luminosity and emptiness, so it is a third turning sutra.
oh i see your point of putting it this way. the stanza from Hui Neng does refer to luminosity as compare to emptiness.
i also think the word 般若 Prajna have a wider meaning of acme wisdom of Dharma.
般若波羅蜜 prajñÄ�-pÄ�ramitÄ�, The acme of wisdom, enabling one to reach the other shore, i.e. wisdom for salvation; the highest of the six paramitas, the virtue of wisdom as the notes a knowledge of the illusory character of everything earthly, and destroys error, ignorance, prejudice, and heresy.
if so it should include all kind of acme wisdom. 开智的楞严.
Platform sutra anyway also mean in full:- å�—å®—é “æ•™æœ€ä¸Šå¤§ä¹˜æ‘©è¨¶èˆ¬è‹¥æ³¢ç¾…èœœç¶“å…ç¥–æƒ èƒ½å¤§å¸«æ–¼éŸ¶å·žå¤§æ¢µå¯ºæ–½æ³•å£‡ç¶“.
btw i read that Master Hsuan Hua compare Shurangama equally important as Lotus sutra. He use 5 periods 五時教 instead. The fourth period is the prajna period.
http://www.cttbusa.org/shurangama3/shurangama3_12.asp
The Shurangama Sutra is for the opening of wisdom. The Shurangama Sutra points out the path, the way of cultivation.
anyway to me �佛的法� 开智的楞严 往生的弥陀 玻执的金刚 入界的�严 解空的般若 are all eventually the same.
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