I read that in Dhammapada, there is a verse on fake monks, something like this. it is better for a monk to eat coals than to receive alms while not practising and living the way of a monk. in short, Ven Ming Yi has committed a very heavy kamma. he may have paid his dues as in jail time and suffered bad reputation, but his ordeal may not be over yet. he may yet to reap all the full effects of his kamma in his next life.
Let us all be objective to the secular law and the religious world
When the secular law indict him of a crime , he got his punishment .and thats it .He should be treated equally like a man in the eyes of the law
the problem is some people try to impose secular law onto the religious world .Like asking the religion to submit an extensive report of this so and so Puja earn how much and how much .Suppose if an indonesian rich businessman donate $1million voluntarily ,do we need a lawyer and submit a request of statement to Singapore High Court to determine if HE should give ? ..
thats the question we are facing .Yes MingYi dinner is way too much ,but it isnt His issue
"Let no man without sin cast the first stone ".I think this kind of condemnation and blame game must stop. Its basically a Sick idea of trying to probe and dig religious affairs .
and i will tell you .Ven Mingyi have taken the Brahma net Bodhisattva Precepts .Only a realised person who have proven Him wrong can reprimand him for the spiritual wrong-doing. If not , i must say sorry ,the Spiritual World is beyond the secular world
as the misuse of funds is basically a human folly and nothing to do with his practice .
If anyone who simply want Mingyi to forever not being a Bodhisattva is asking for grave trouble
there is a sutra that say ,who ever stop a works of a Bodhisattva ,will never be liberated from the cycles of samsara .This is not a curse .Devadatta is an example of that ,as he have not been liberated until distant future He become a Private Buddha
has the Buddha, when he was alive, expelled any monks or nuns before?
I think no right? if i remembered correctly, there was a monk who could not focus when he renounced as he kept on thinking of his wife and family, the Buddha advised him to return to laylife.
and for everyone info and a warning..only YOU and yes you yourself can save ur current life father and mother and countless parents u have who u have deep affinity .You cant try and pull someone on the street to convert him/her to Buddhism ,claiming He /She is your past lives parent. you will get a tight slap
Originally posted by Rooney9:has the Buddha, when he was alive, expelled any monks or nuns before?
I think no right? if i remembered correctly, there was a monk who could not focus when he renounced as he kept on thinking of his wife and family, the Buddha advised him to return to laylife.
Yes , you are right ,and it Only the Buddha . we are all ordinary human beings , not right to ask people to leave the sangha .What happen if the decision is wrong and maybe 30 years down the road , there is acty fault of someone else which Ven Mingyi is not ..the person who conduct the expulsion ,in mahayana, is say to jam the workings of karma and will have to bear the consequence(boils appear in body, serious fever, immediate decline in health)
May this issue be over soon.
Originally posted by syncopation_music:Let us all be objective to the secular law and the religious world
When the secular law indict him of a crime , he got his punishment .and thats it .He should be treated equally like a man in the eyes of the law
the problem is some people try to impose secular law onto the religious world .Like asking the religion to submit an extensive report of this so and so Puja earn how much and how much .Suppose if an indonesian rich businessman donate $1million voluntarily ,do we need a lawyer and submit a request of statement to Singapore High Court to determine if HE should give ? ..
thats the question we are facing .Yes MingYi dinner is way too much ,but it isnt His issue
"Let no man without sin cast the first stone ".I think this kind of condemnation and blame game must stop. Its basically a Sick idea of trying to probe and dig religious affairs .
and i will tell you .Ven Mingyi have taken the Brahma net Bodhisattva Precepts .Only a realised person who have proven Him wrong can reprimand him for the spiritual wrong-doing. If not , i must say sorry ,the Spiritual World is beyond the secular world
as the misuse of funds is basically a human folly and nothing to do with his practice .
If anyone who simply want Mingyi to forever not being a Bodhisattva is asking for grave trouble
there is a sutra that say ,who ever stop a works of a Bodhisattva ,will never be liberated from the cycles of samsara .This is not a curse .Devadatta is an example of that ,as he have not been liberated until distant future He become a Private Buddha
Have you thought of another scenerio. What if there are many people who lose faith in Buddhism and sangha because of Ven. Ming Yi. Don't you think it is a worse scenerio. Lay Buddhist can also become Bodhisattva, not necessarily need to be a monk.
I think he's done some good deeds as well as some not so good deeds. Its karma.
come on man
buddhism says everything is nothing and nothing is everything so
all his bad deeds are good deeds and good deeds are bad deeds
end of story
When u become famous, people will attack your integrity....best keep a low profile...or face the music if you have nothing to hide....
Originally posted by PedoBear:come on man
buddhism says everything is nothing and nothing is everything so
all his bad deeds are good deeds and good deeds are bad deeds
end of story
What you have stated above is certainly a misinterpretation of the Doctrine of Emptiness. If what you said is true, it would become a doctrine of ‘free for all’. Put is simply, what the doctrine of Emptiness is trying to tell us, is that all our reasoning is relative and dual in nature. As an example, to arrive at the judgment ‘This is Red’, our intellect would have to go through the process of separating what is ‘Red’ from that, that is ‘not Red’ first, before it can arrive at the conclusion that it is ‘Red’. Another example, to know what is 'beautiful’ we will need to have some idea of what we would consider to be ‘ugly’. The existence of all things, are based on the interdependence of each other. By itself they are nothing. It is our intellect that gives names, and forms to all empirical existence.
To know what is ultimately real, we have to go beyond our reasons. In the Doctrine of Emptiness, it is our Intuition free of all reasoning that will eventually lead us to the answers of what is the true nature of things. It is called Prajna, i.e. Transcendental Wisdom.
This fashi spoilt buddhism reputation in Singapore. Spoilt two times le.
Originally posted by Demon Bane:When u become famous, people will attack your integrity....best keep a low profile...
this i agree.
Years ago, other religious group also had their leader jailed for fraud and cheating believers $. After he got out of jail, he did it again....I dun remember where's this article...Should there be strict laws as how non-profit or religious organization handle their funds?
Originally posted by Demon Bane:When u become famous, people will attack your integrity....best keep a low profile...or face the music if you have nothing to hide....
You are correct, someone needs to tell Monk Ming Yi about what you said. He does not seem to know.
Originally posted by ahtansh:If his followers don’t mind having an ex-Criminal as their abbot of the temple why should others be unhappy about it?
All religion teaches forgiveness and support for each other. The Buddhist practices what they believe.
Actually many people have forgiven him till he held a $1000 / table dinner. We give up.
$200,000 to celebrate Ming Yi's return is too extravagant. That amount could have been used fruitfully to help more needy and sickly people.That is supposed to be what the Ren Ci should be doing, right? If the celebration was much simpler, I believe there would not be so much noise now.
I find the whole issue with Ven. MingYi in the news a little bit suspiscious.
I believe there might be some forces trying to discredit him for certain socio-political reasons.
I distrust Straits Times because it is an arm of the government, and, I believe there is a deliberate concerted effort or a campaign to tarnish him or knock him from his social position.
Of course, the issue whether one is right or wrong, is another issue.
It seems he did commit some misdeeds and I am not condoning it.
But I am suscpicious why is there such a focus and a campaign against him in the press.
It is unnatural.
Originally posted by Veggie Bao:I find the whole issue with Ven. MingYi in the news a little bit suspiscious.
I believe there might be some forces trying to discredit him for certain socio-political reasons.
I distrust Straits Times because it is an arm of the government, and, I believe there is a deliberate concerted effort or a campaign to tarnish him or knock him from his social position.
Of course, the issue whether one is right or wrong, is another issue.
It seems he did commit some misdeeds and I am not condoning it.
But I am suscpicious why is there such a focus and a campaign against him in the press.
It is unnatural.
You have a valid point also.
This fashi alway tarnish buddhism reputation.
U c in buddhism slander buddhism gt bad karma.
But wad if the fashi spoil the reputation causing ppl to slander buddhism?
The fashi bear karma or the ppl who slander bear?
I think this fashi gt very bad karma le cause damage to buddhism reputation n directly causing ppl( the public) to slander buddhism.
He should do repentance soon n purify his bad karma.
Buddha once use a simile that bad monks(/nuns) are like dead carcasses in the ocean. though they cannot cross the ocean themselves, but we all can still use or hold onto them to ferry ourselves across the ocean to the other shore.
their bad actions are their unwholesome karma. ur respect is your own merit. seperate issues.
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