Can I safely say this: Venerable Jing Kong teaching is...

• Zenist69

  9 Jan 11, 22:14

  Can I safely say this: Venerable Jing Kong teaching is unorthodox Buddhism?

  One of the reason I say that, it is because Venerable Jing Kong view Confucianism and Daoism are the foundation of Buddhism. This view, it is really rare, unheard of in Buddhism, no? (Would I get shoot with cyber arrows because of this?)

  "學佛è¦�從《弟å­�è¦�》學起，佛法的根是《å��善業é�“》，《å��善業é�“》是建立在å­�é�“的基礎上。所以­å„’è·Ÿé�“是佛的根，沒有儒沒有é�“佛的根就沒有了，你學佛就ä¸�能æˆ�就了。"

  --- 净空法师

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0y_H613Mk

  
  

• zero thought

  9 Jan 11, 23:09

  I don't think he is unorthodox. We should always examine a teacher's conduct and teachings, and from what I can see his conduct is proper. The teachings of Confucianism and Taoism also teach people to behave properly, so I don't see any conflict. If I am not mistaken, Buddhism comes about after Confucianism and Taoism came about in China last time. So in a way, Confucianism and Taoism paved the way for Buddhism to flourish. After the people in China learned and established their humanity with Confucianism and Taoism, they are then ready to accept Buddhism.
• Pure Emptiness

  9 Jan 11, 23:15

  Wah zenist cant u let go of this topic?

  If u keep on clinging onto this topic u might go crazy and end up in IMH.

  U been talking abt this for sometime.

   

• Wiser

  9 Jan 11, 23:52

  hahaha...all theories and names labelled by human beings.  It's very subjective and the debate is endless.  Each to their own viewpoint but really talk is just words if you do not realise you have your precious chakra inside of you with the precious pearl of the kundalini enlightening you.

   

   

• Shazamnick

  9 Jan 11, 23:52

   

  Dont't argue lah, religion debate is never ever-ending.

• An Eternal Now

  10 Jan 11, 00:08

  Originally posted by Zenist69:

  Can I safely say this: Venerable Jing Kong teaching is unorthodox Buddhism?

  One of the reason I say that, it is because Venerable Jing Kong view Confucianism and Daoism are the foundation of Buddhism. This view, it is really rare, unheard of in Buddhism, no? (Would I get shoot with cyber arrows because of this?)

  "學佛è¦�從《弟å­�è¦�》學起，佛法的根是《å��善業é�“》，《å��善業é�“》是建立在å­�é�“的基礎上。所以­å„’è·Ÿé�“是佛的根，沒有儒沒有é�“佛的根就沒有了，你學佛就ä¸�能æˆ�就了。"

  --- 净空法师

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  文摘æ�­éŒ„—大方廣佛è�¯åš´ç¶“（第二Ｏä¹�六）2010/2/1　檔å��：12-17-2096
  
  如果在家å�Œå­¸ï¼Œä½ é¦–先影響的是你一家，你一家人得度。從哪裡å�šèµ·ï¼Ÿä½ å¿…é ˆè¦�知é�“佛法是­å¸«é�“，師é�“一定是建立在å­�é�“的基礎上，淨業三ç¦�是學佛ä¸�管你是學哪個宗派ã€�哪個法門，­å®ƒæ˜¯æœ€é«˜çš„指導原則決定ä¸�能ç–�忽。三ç¦�頭一æ¢�ã€�頭一å�¥ã€Œå­�養父æ¯�，奉事師長ã€�，你å�šåˆ°­äº†æ²’有？人生在這個世間最大的æ�©äººï¼Œé¤Šè‚²ä½ çš„ã€�教導你的就這兩個人 - 父æ¯�ã€�è€�師，父æ¯�ã€�è€�師ä¸�知é�“å­�敬å�«èƒŒå¸«å�›é�“，大ä¸�å­�ã€�大ä¸�敬，那什麼樣的果報？自己­æƒ³ä¸€æƒ³å°±å�¯ä»¥çŸ¥é�“了，這是我們ä¸�能ä¸�知é�“的。我們一定è¦�克盡å­�é�“，從哪裡學起？學佛è¦�­å¾žã€Šå¼Ÿå­�è¦�》學起，佛法的根是《å��善業é�“》，《å��善業é�“》是建立在å­�é�“的基礎上。所以­å„’è·Ÿé�“是佛的根，沒有儒沒有é�“佛的根就沒有了，你學佛就ä¸�能æˆ�就了。你è¦�知é�“中國傳統­æ–‡åŒ–儒釋é�“是一家，決定ä¸�能分離的。形å¼�上有儒釋é�“，實際上沒有。
  
  你看看中國自å�¤ä»¥ä¾†ï¼Œçœ‹çœ‹ã€Šé«˜åƒ§å‚³ã€‹ã€�《居士傳》，哪一個學佛的人沒有讀《四書》ã€�《­äº”經》？都學，基礎。哪一個學佛的人ä¸�念《感應篇》？ä¸�念《è€�莊》？統統學，é�“長也學­ä½›ï¼Œå„’家的這些è�–賢他也學佛，所以é�ŽåŽ»å„’釋é�“三個根都紮了，åƒ�鼎三足頂立，根深蒂固。­æ‰€ä»¥ç„¡è«–是學儒ã€�å­¸é�“ã€�學佛都有æˆ�就。學儒，æˆ�è�–æˆ�賢；學é�“，æˆ�神ã€�æˆ�仙，神仙；學佛­ï¼Œæˆ�ä½›æˆ�è�©è–©ï¼Œçµ±çµ±æœ‰æˆ�就。所以很多å�Œå­¸å•�我從哪裡學起？從《弟å­�è¦�》學起，《弟å­�è¦�­ã€‹æ²’有學到人都å�šä¸�好，怎麼能作佛呢？哪有這個é�“ç�†ï¼Ÿä¸�但è¦�學《弟å­�è¦�》，近代å�°å…‰å¤§­å¸«æ•™æˆ‘們è¦�把因果教育擺在第一。

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0y_H613Mk

  
  

  Actually I think all religions' foundational teachings are similar to Buddhism. That's why I don't think there is anything wrong with saying the 'foundational' aspects are the same. Note that Master Chin Kung said 基礎 only, not the complete thing. For example in one way or another, most religions teach something rather similar to the five precepts, and they also teach about the various good qualities, behaviors, the 4 immeasurables, etc. It is just the foundation, not yet the essential parts perculiar to Buddhism.

  In terms of the morality aspect, there can be a lot of similarities. As a matter of fact, Buddhism and in fact religion itself can't monopolize or set itself as the sole arbiter of morality - society already imparts moral teachings with or without religion. Therefore as you can see, morality, even though foundational to Buddhism, is not owned by Buddhism and in fact not owned by religion. What is special about Buddhism isn't the foundational aspects such as morality. We might as well say 'moral education is a foundation of Buddhism' - that does not mean however it covers the entirety of Buddhism, since it is only the mere foundation. That said, without the foundations such as five precepts and other aspects of morality, you can't progress far in other aspects like samadhi and prajna.

  But in terms of other aspects like samadhi and especially prajna (other religions do lead followers to samadhi but only Buddhism leads followers to the realization of Emptiness), Buddhism is different.

  Just because the foundations are similar doesn't mean the religions are the same. Only Buddhism leads to liberation.

  Also I'm curious, your name is 'Zenist69', does that mean you practice Zen?

• Pure Emptiness

  10 Jan 11, 11:21

  Originally posted by Shazamnick:

   

  Dont't argue lah, religion debate is never ever-ending.

  
  Correct,never ending one.

  Religious debate is pointless.

  Like gt one time I debated my frenz on burning paper house to deceased.

  I tell them not only u burn house u except the deceased to be able to take it.

  Isnt this supertitious?

  He told me is chinese culture dun believe also must do cos is chinese.

  u debated with him no use.'

  I debated with my frenz on ancestor blessings.

  I ask him ur ancestor die go where? hell heaven? U dun even know where he go how u expect him to bless u.

  I debated also no point. I debated on taoism issues.

• Weychin

  10 Jan 11, 15:27

  I think you've missed the point, rites and custom have less to do with religion and more to do with identity. The  act of placing an incense and burning is act of continuity, act of one obligation to towards one's race, one's ancestors and act of everybody going through the same ritual. Confucius did not invent these rites, he merely codified them. They are mirrored according to Chou custom and rites, I think. Ancestor worship is one enduring way of keeping an identity alive. 

  Anyway, the afterlife in chinese beliefs mirror everyday life.  

   

• mistyblue

  10 Jan 11, 16:51

  There was one a highly skilled monk who goes around teaching everyone the right and proper way. One day he heard about this lay person who lived on an island in the middle of a lake. People said he was very skilled. The monk thinking how can one be skilled without proper teaching and proper way and so the highly skilled mok set off in a boat and travelled to visit that lay person. Upon meeting the lay person the monk tell the lay person that he shall impart the right teaching and right way to him to make sure the lay person know how to practice. The lay person listen humbly and attentively. Then the lay person say : Om mani padme hum but he didn't read it correctly. The monk corrected him and said it should be read this way. It was getting late so the monk bid goodbye and rowed back to the main land. When the monk was stepping off the boat, the layperson came from behind, asking the monk again to teach him how to say "Om mani padme hum" again as he cannot remember. The monk did so but asked the lay person how he got across the water so quickly. The lay person said he simply walked across the water.

   

• Dawnfirstlight

  10 Jan 11, 17:53

  MCK is definitely not  unorthodox or there will be uproar in Taiwan. Instead, he is very popular in many countries. This just got to show that many people don't share your view.

• Weychin

  10 Jan 11, 18:02

  Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:

  MCK is definitely not  unorthodox or there will be uproar in Taiwan. Instead, he is very popular in many countries. This just got to show that many people don't share your view.

  Let me off topic a bit; to  Dawnfirstlight, I think there is time limit to how long you can stay in the reply column. If you know you need to write a long post, write in your email.draft box and then copy and open the reply box and  paste your posting.  

• Pure Emptiness

  10 Jan 11, 18:14

  Originally posted by Weychin:

  I think you've missed the point, rites and custom have less to do with religion and more to do with identity. The  act of placing an incense and burning is act of continuity, act of one obligation to towards one's race, one's ancestors and act of everybody going through the same ritual. Confucius did not invent these rites, he merely codified them. They are mirrored according to Chou custom and rites, I think. Ancestor worship is one enduring way of keeping an identity alive. 

  Anyway, the afterlife in chinese beliefs mirror everyday life.  

   

  
  I think ancestor cannot bless us like my ahgong is very bad person whose mouth is nt good, how can I expect blessings from my ahgong.

  My ahma is not good either. Alway gossip and talk bad abt ppl.

  So I dun offer incense to ancestors.

• Weychin

  10 Jan 11, 18:31

  Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:

  
  I think ancestor cannot bless us like my ahgong is very bad person whose mouth is nt good, how can I expect blessings from my ahgong.

  My ahma is not good either. Alway gossip and talk bad abt ppl.

  So I dun offer incense to ancestors.

  Whether you expect their blessings or not is besides the point. You owe your existence to them, and for that you must be grateful.

  Are you able to see past the bad your grand parent have done and see the good ?

• Dawnfirstlight

  10 Jan 11, 18:59

  Originally posted by Weychin:

  Let me off topic a bit; to  Dawnfirstlight, I think there is time limit to how long you can stay in the reply column. If you know you need to write a long post, write in your email.draft box and then copy and open the reply box and  paste your posting.  

  
  Thanks. No wonder I always have problem posting long post.

• Pure Emptiness

  10 Jan 11, 19:05

  Originally posted by Weychin:

  Whether you expect their blessings or not is besides the point. You owe your existence to them, and for that you must be grateful.

  Are you able to see past the bad your grand parent have done and see the good ?

  
  Respect and grateful is a must but we dun worship or ask for blessings.

  Bible gt say honour ur parents even parents need of cos ancestors too.

  I gt go chinese taoist temple pay respect de. Only no joss stick and worship due to chrisitanity.

  Going this month also before new year.

• Pure Emptiness

  10 Jan 11, 19:06

  Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:

  
  Thanks. No wonder I always have problem posting long post.

  
  Yes indeed.

• Pure Emptiness

  10 Jan 11, 19:08

  Zenist should stop posting abt this fashi dunno post how many articles le.          

   

• Amitayus48

  10 Jan 11, 20:02

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  除此之外，《å�Žä¸¥ç»�》还有诸多特点，如è„�炙人å�£çš„ “善财童å­�五å��三å�‚”故事，以å�Šå¹¿å¤§æµ©æ¸ºçš„“普贤行愿”，等等，但诸如此类的妙处实在难以在短短的篇幅中一一说尽。如果读者有兴趣，大å�¯ä»¥æ�œå¯»åŽŸæ–‡æ�¥é˜…读，相信一定有æž�大收获。
  
  《å�Žä¸¥ç»�》中的世界，是毗å�¢é�®é‚£å¦‚æ�¥çš„“å�Žè—�世界”，这个世界由无数的莲花构æˆ�，é‡�é‡�å� å� ï¼Œå…¶ä¸­ä½›å›½æ— å°½ã€�刹海无尽。那么，《å�Žä¸¥ç»�》中的世界观就æˆ�为一个值得é˜�述的主题。
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  梦��和尚主讲大方广佛�严�DVD请购方�:
  《大方广佛�严�》（八��严讲述）共39�482集.113DVD，�碟1.6 元,全套�计180.80元,普通DVD机标清�畅播放，有�体中文字幕，�集约90分钟，适�家庭��场共�观�，共�学习，或个人自修。
  
  儒释�光佛工作室
  http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4ce6c9b7010008fj.html

  Namaste with metta

   

   

• Zenist69

  10 Jan 11, 20:49

  Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:

  MCK is definitely not  unorthodox or there will be uproar in Taiwan. Instead, he is very popular in many countries. This just got to show that many people don't share your view.

  "戒幢佛学研究所所长济群法师对净空法师的最新评价

  心ç�µçŽ¯ä¿�     主讲：济群法师    时间：2009å¹´4月        地点：天柱山三祖寺       å�¬ä¼—：“中国ä¼�业家心智之旅”学员
  
  问：现在有很多资料很多书是净空法师说的，我�知�您对净空法师怎么评价?
  
  答：这个净空法师呢，我们通常�太评判这�现象，因为净空法师现在在国内呀影�也蛮大。他在一定的时期，就是他的书，往国内�的这些书很多，但是在佛教界这个出家人的这一�，多�对他的认�的程度�是很高，我 们尊�他的这�精神这�弘法的干劲，但对他的所说的这些法啊,其实认�的程度�是很高，但是在一定的时期他确实填补了国内在弘法上的一个空白，因为在一定 的时期我们知�尤其是80年代90年代，我们整个信仰基本上处在一个比较真空的状�，所以净空法师在相当的时期他的东西是铺天盖地的进�。当然这样的一些 书�的进�它确实也满足了很多信众的需求，但是如果从我们的眼光�看呢,就是说从整个佛教的�康�展�说它确实还是会有很多的弊端,具体的我就��评判 了。"

  转载：http://hi.baidu.com/yasa111/blog/item/14af613b66e9b62d97ddd81b.html

  （济群法师，1984年毕业于中国佛学院，��至�建佛学院�闽�佛学院�学任教。多年�，教书育人，学修并�，为沩仰宗第�代传人。现任戒幢佛学研究所所 长，闽�佛学院研究生导师，并��为�州大学政治与公共管�学院兼�教授，厦门大学宗教研究所高级顾问�客座教授。长期从事唯识�戒律的研究�讲授。
  教学之余积�致力于佛法弘扬，时常应邀于高等院校�信众团体演讲，足迹�布大江�北�港��欧洲�澳洲等地。此外，出版并�表�类著述�论文百余万字，如 《真�与谬论》�《��心与�次第》�《人生佛教丛书》等。继承太虚大师的人生佛教�想，�出佛法是人生智慧的�念，希望人们摆脱对佛法的误解，使佛法走 入生活。近年�，更将弘法�点转��次第���心和皈�，��佛法基础建设，引领佛弟�在���上稳步�进。）

  http://www.jiqun.com/jianjie.htm

• Zenist69

  10 Jan 11, 21:02

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  Actually I think all religions' foundational teachings are similar to Buddhism. That's why I don't think there is anything wrong with saying the 'foundational' aspects are the same. Note that Master Chin Kung said 基礎 only, not the complete thing. For example in one way or another, most religions teach something rather similar to the five precepts, and they also teach about the various good qualities, behaviors, the 4 immeasurables, etc. It is just the foundation, not yet the essential parts perculiar to Buddhism.

  In terms of the morality aspect, there can be a lot of similarities. As a matter of fact, Buddhism and in fact religion itself can't monopolize or set itself as the sole arbiter of morality - society already imparts moral teachings with or without religion. Therefore as you can see, morality, even though foundational to Buddhism, is not owned by Buddhism and in fact not owned by religion. What is special about Buddhism isn't the foundational aspects such as morality. We might as well say 'moral education is a foundation of Buddhism' - that does not mean however it covers the entirety of Buddhism, since it is only the mere foundation. That said, without the foundations such as five precepts and other aspects of morality, you can't progress far in other aspects like samadhi and prajna.

  But in terms of other aspects like samadhi and especially prajna (other religions do lead followers to samadhi but only Buddhism leads followers to the realization of Emptiness), Buddhism is different.

  Just because the foundations are similar doesn't mean the religions are the same. Only Buddhism leads to liberation.

  Also I'm curious, your name is 'Zenist69', does that mean you practice Zen?

  
  In short answer, your opinion, MJK teaching (the part which I mentioned at the start of this thread), is it orthodox Buddhism, or unorthodox?

  Am I practicing Zen? Obviously not. Spending too much time sounding the alarm on MJK here.

• Zenist69

  10 Jan 11, 21:09

  Originally posted by Amitayus48:

  Fashi got problem or no problem is not your problem. Most importantly is the dharma got basis or not. According to 《黄å¸�内ç»�》论å�› » 儒释 » é›�正皇å¸�上谕 that said :
  �正皇�上諭 hor - dun play play ya - no leaders in this world got the gut to endorsed the supremeness of the teachings.

  上諭。朕惟三教之覺民於海內也。��出於一原。�並行而�悖。人惟�能�然貫通。於是人�異心。心�異見。慕�者謂佛�如�之尊。�佛者謂��如佛之大。而儒者�兼闢二�以為異端。懷挾�心。紛爭角�而�相下。朕以�三教之論。亦惟得其平而已矣。能得其平。則外略形跡之異內證性�之�。而知三教�無異旨。
  http://hdnj.5d6d.com/thread-403-1-1.html

  You may consider let go MCK's teachings on Flower Adornment Sutra and focus on another Dharma Master Flower Adornment Sutra instead. This Dharma Master is another enlightening Master. May I proudly share with you, he is none other than 梦��和尚.

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  儒释�光佛工作室
  http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4ce6c9b7010008fj.html

  Namaste with metta

   

   

  It is my problem. People go follow some unorthdox Buddhism teaching, as a concern Buddhist, shouldn't one sound off the alarm and warn people about it?

• sinweiy

  10 Jan 11, 22:13

  thanks for the concern, still i disagree as for the many orthodox and rational reasons given. 

  i also sorry for him. think those who bash MCK, don't really understand his teachings. i said different level, different understanding. also 法无定法 定法�法.

  i perfer 愿解如�真实义. all are but partial stuff of the entire picture.

  i perfer they listen more to get the entire picture, like 5 years or so. then each time one will have deeper realisation. He also told as not to attached to what he say in the past, as the level of understanding increases year by year, day by day. 

  last time i remember i heard him object to the books in the school nowaday which only teach animal story, like A Dog bark; A Cat meow etc. as these are useless teaching. but now, i just listen that he no more object as according to ch'an teaching, "A Dog bark; A Cat meow," can also spark enlightenment. In ch'an, everything can spark enlightenment. Even eating or watch tv, or a master hitting u on the head. but the period/time must be right, if not hit until die also no use. so it's not wrong, it's only not able to understand. in ch'an, nonsensical is sensical. sensical is not sensical per se. realisation not easy ah....

   

  anyway i agree with the person, 六和敬�修 in the blog u gave.

  "断章�义，人云亦云，一天到晚计较人我是�，有你这�人确实是佛教的悲哀�"

  http://www.bskk.com/viewthread.php?tid=149702&extra=&page=2

  什麼是六和敬?

  指六種和�愛敬。�作六慰勞法�六�法�六和。�求���修梵行之人須互相�愛�敬�之六種事；亦�大乘佛教所稱，�薩與眾生有六種和�愛敬：(一)身和敬，指�禮拜等之身業和敬。(二)�和敬，指�讚詠等之�業和敬。(三)�和敬，指�信心等之�業和敬。(四)戒和敬，指�戒法之和敬。(五)見和敬，指��智之見解和敬。(六)利和敬，指�衣食等之利益和敬。�作行和敬�學和敬，�指�修行之和敬。或�作施和敬，�指�布施之行法和敬。�據大乘義章��二舉出：(一)身業�，(二)�業�，(三)�業�，(四)�戒，(五)�施，(六)�見等六者，稱為六和敬。�據祖庭事苑�五列舉出「六和�，�：(一)身和共�，(二)�和無�，(三)�和�事，(四)戒和�修，(五)見和�解，(六)利和��。　此外，據法界次第�下之下記載，外�他善，稱為和；內自謙�，稱為敬。�薩與物共事，外則�物行善，內則常自謙�，故稱和敬。六和敬�作：(一)�戒和敬，�薩通�實相正�，知罪��得，然為安立眾生於實相正�，故以方便善巧��戒�，而無有乖�；亦知眾生�此戒善，未來必得��大果，是以敬之如佛，故稱為�戒和敬。(二)�見和敬，�薩通�實相正�，而能了知諸法本無所得，亦無所知見，然為安立眾生於實相正見，故以方便善巧�一切知見，而無有乖�；亦知眾生因此知見，必得種智圓明，是以敬之如佛，故稱為�見和敬。(三)�行和敬，�薩通�實相正行，而能了知無作無行，然為安立眾生於實相正行，故以方便善巧�修諸行，而無有乖�；亦知眾生�此諸行，漸�功德，當�佛�，是以敬之如佛，故稱為�行和敬。(四)身慈和敬，�薩�於無緣平等大慈，以修其身，常與眾生一切樂事，而無有乖�；亦知眾生皆有佛性，未來必得金剛之身，是以敬之如佛，故稱為身慈和敬。(五)�慈和敬，�薩以無緣平等大慈，以修其�，常與眾生說一切法，令其得樂，而無有乖�；亦知眾生皆有佛性，未來必得無上清淨�業，是以敬之如佛，故稱為�慈和敬。(六)�慈和敬，�薩�於無緣平等大慈，以修其�，常知眾生諸根性欲，與眾生樂，而無有乖�；亦知眾生皆有佛性，未來必得心如佛心，是以敬之如佛，故稱為�慈和敬。

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• Asromanista2001

  10 Jan 11, 22:24

  Originally posted by mistyblue:

  There was one a highly skilled monk who goes around teaching everyone the right and proper way. One day he heard about this lay person who lived on an island in the middle of a lake. People said he was very skilled. The monk thinking how can one be skilled without proper teaching and proper way and so the highly skilled mok set off in a boat and travelled to visit that lay person. Upon meeting the lay person the monk tell the lay person that he shall impart the right teaching and right way to him to make sure the lay person know how to practice. The lay person listen humbly and attentively. Then the lay person say : Om mani padme hum but he didn't read it correctly. The monk corrected him and said it should be read this way. It was getting late so the monk bid goodbye and rowed back to the main land. When the monk was stepping off the boat, the layperson came from behind, asking the monk again to teach him how to say "Om mani padme hum" again as he cannot remember. The monk did so but asked the lay person how he got across the water so quickly. The lay person said he simply walked across the water.

   

   

   

  how to fight those Hindu yogis that can levitate into the air ????

  no need to walk even................float across the water can liao...........

   

  some more all proven to be true cases...............

   

  the one that walked on water was as real as Harry Potter..................

• 2009novice

  10 Jan 11, 23:14

  Dharma Ending Age comes to my mind...

• WeeShun

  11 Jan 11, 02:29

  sinwey,

  taishangganyinpian is part of rulai's zhen shi yi?