To An Eternal Now, lets get this straight...
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Originally posted by Wiser:
Zenist refering to your quote , i will include this one ,
even without 三皈五戒，念佛
you can also achieve enlightenment/buddhahood with your own chakra system and kundalini.My quote is this "如果能把弟å�规è�½å®žï¼ŒçœŸçš„å�šåˆ°ï¼Œçºµç„¶æ²¡æœ‰å�—三皈五戒，念佛都决定往生。"
Question is: Can chakra system get one to pureland （西方��净土 ）?
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Originally posted by Zenist69:
My quote is this "如果能把弟å�规è�½å®žï¼ŒçœŸçš„å�šåˆ°ï¼Œçºµç„¶æ²¡æœ‰å�—三皈五戒，念佛都决定往生。"
Question is: Can chakra system get one to pureland （西方��净土）?
That's how Sakyamuni Buddha sees the Pureland and tells it to his disciples. -
Originally posted by Wiser:
All present Buddhism is already unorthdox when you consider they have already detour from ancient Indian Buddhism.Are you sure they are 100% buddhist teachings as taught by Sakyamuni Buddha?
Are u saying there's no orthodox Buddhism right now here in this world?
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Originally posted by Zenist69:
Are u saying there's no orthodox Buddhism right now here in this world?
I am saying all present Buddhism is orthodox right now here in this world !(because they have definitely not copied 100% of what Sakyamuni Buddha taught)
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Buddhism does not have to follow 100% of what the Buddha said...
Just the basics is enough to enlighten one.
I know this from my own experience...
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well....i am glad the moderator has an open mind and realise that modern buddhism is unorthodox.
Humans changed it .
Down the generations, humans interpret the teachings and changed it according to their individual mindsets.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
So what's wrong with studying another text? When your views are opened up , you improve your visions, your boundaries, your mental thinking.
Right now, you are just stepping on the same spot, sprouting the same words and refusing to move one step further.
Others are improving while you are stagnent. Binded by your narrow visions and narrow mind.
You are definitely not a Zenist. You should change your ID.
I am not stagnent. I didn't say we should all not reading studying anything but Buddhism. What I am against, is a Dharma Master go advocate people to go study Daoism and Confucianism. If MJK is just another ordinary person enthusiastic with Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism, I have nothing to say. But his role is a Dharma Master! Not ambassador to all other teachings such as Confucianism, and Daoism! What is his role and position? Is he a 三教 advocate? Or Dharma Master teaching and spreading BuddhaDharma?
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Buddhism does not have to follow 100% of what the Buddha said...
Just the basics is enough to enlighten one.
I know this from my own experience...
Quite true. i agree with that. Only each to their own what's the basics.To me , it will be the chakra system and kundalini in everyone of us.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
I am saying all present Buddhism is orthodox right now here in this world !(because they have definitely not copied 100% of what Sakyamuni Buddha taught)
A person who go advocate Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism, thats not Buddhism. Its 三教。Thats outside the category of orthodox Buddhism.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:
I am not stagnent. I didn't say we should all not reading studying anything but Buddhism. What I am against, is a Dharma Master go advocate people to go study Daoism and Confucianism. If MJK is just another ordinary person enthusiastic with Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism, I have nothing to say. But his role is a Dharma Master! Not ambassador to all other teachings such as Confucianism, and Daoism! What is his role and position? Is he a 三教 advocate? Or Dharma Master teaching and spreading BuddhaDharma?
Well, Zenist, you are entitled to your viewpoint and disagreement with MJK. As much as you hated MJK in what you think advocating people to go study Daoism and Confucianism, there are others who think it is perfectly all right.
I am all supporting MJK in his encouragment to others to read more. I am sure his followers will agree with him too.
So what i am disagreeing with you here on this board is how you harp on MJK and how you are trying to FORCE others to agree with your narrow viewpoint.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:
A person who go advocate Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism, thats not Buddhism. Its 三教。Thats outside the category of orthodox Buddhism.
Then Zenist, i will tell you Theravada buddhism has long regarded Mahayani Buddhism as unorthodox, Mahayani Buddhism has regarded Diamond vajra Buddhism as unorthodox,.Your unorthodox classification of MJK is just nothing. No big deal.
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Please kindly take note that students under two different teachers put in effort to study for their chemistry subject taught by their respective teachers. No animals were killed throughout the teachings. lol
This kind of debate is never ending. I think debate到了三世都debate�完。
人人心ä¸éƒ½æœ‰ä¸€æŠŠå°ºï¼Œå¯¹ä¸Žä¸�对人人都ä¸�一。
To all pureland cultivators, once we have reached pureland, we go and seek Amituofo's advice on all whatever debates we want loh. I think only Buddhas can answer our questions fully and 圆满. To see if Master CK is able to reborn in pureland or not, we go and see for ourselves loh. For those doesn't believe in Master CK's teaching but manage to see Master CK in pureland next time, can ask him why is he there loh. Most importantly is that we need to chant more and help more needy people around us.
Amituofo
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Originally posted by Wiser:
Well, Zenist, you are entitled to your viewpoint and disagreement with MJK. As much as you hated MJK in what you think advocating people to go study Daoism and Confucianism, there are others who think it is perfectly all right.
I am all supporting MJK in his encouragment to others to read more. I am sure his followers will agree with him too.
So what i am disagreeing with you here on this board is how you harp on MJK and how you are trying to FORCE others to agree with your narrow viewpoint.
Who's forcing who? This thread would not have existed if some of the moderator didn't go lock up threads talking about Jing Kong Dharma Master. Should have let the debate play it out, and let the people see for themselves, make their own call. Just like the debate between us here, I agree to disagree. When did I force anything to people? I state my view, u state yours. Is debate, exchange of ideas strongly discourage here in this forum especially regarding MJK?
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before i started reading 'proper' Buddha's teachings, i started out reading Wayne Dyer's translation of the Tao De Jing
so to me the Tao De Jing is the compulsary prerequistic to learn the Buddha Dharma.
Blasphemous!
Now for more kissing pics Amitayu?
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They let you debate it out , didn't they ? They didn't ban your ID or delete your postings. Some other moderators will do just that. Ban you straightout.
You won't even has a chance to post that complaint about that moderator.
Most importantly, it is your tone of writing about MJK. You tone is lack of respect for an elderly monk.
Also when you just post one page of MJK book and you started to label MJK with names, you are not fair to MJK either.
Your manner of debate needs improvement. It gives people the impression that you just want others to agree with your strong subjective opinion of an well respected monk.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
Then Zenist, i will tell you Theravada buddhism has long regarded Mahayani Buddhism as unorthodox, Mahayani Buddhism has regarded Diamond vajra Buddhism as unorthodox,.Your unorthodox classification of MJK is just nothing. No big deal.
If its no big deal then why are u here? Why are u so defensive of MJK?
The question is not wat Theravada view towards Mahayana, and not Mahayana view towards Diamond Varjra. Since pureland sect is under Mahayana, the question is how Singapore Chinese Mahayana Buddhism view towards MJK teaching.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
They let you debate it out , didn't they ? They didn't ban your ID or delete your postings. Some other moderators will do just that. Ban you straightout.
You won't even has a chance to post that complaint about that moderator.
No. All of the thread get locked up! Before I could go down to the bottom of the issue, it get locked up.
Again, did I force my view onto you? How? By stating my view here?? In that case, are u suggesting all of us should just keep to ourselves when comes to point of view?
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I am suggesting you should improve your manners of putting across your viewpoints.
It obviously lack respect for an elderly monk and it gives readers the impression that you are out to "attack" him on an very personal level. You hated MJK to the core.
It's not fair to MJK when you use one chapter of his books to label him names.
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Originally posted by geis:
before i started reading 'proper' Buddha's teachings, i started out reading Wayne Dyer's translation of the Tao De Jing
so to me the Tao De Jing is the compulsary prerequistic to learn the Buddha Dharma.
Blasphemous!
Now for more kissing pics Amitayu?
Not blasphemous. 'cause u are not a Dharma Master! If u as a Dharma Master said Dao De Jing is compulsory prerequistic to learn the BuddhaDharma, tats not orthodox Buddhism.
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Hahahah..........MJK is a dharma master, then who are you ?
a 69 ?
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Originally posted by Wiser:
I am suggesting you should improve your manners of putting across your viewpoints.
It obviously lack respect for an elderly monk and it gives readers the impression that you are out to "attack" him on an very personal level. You hated MJK to the core.
It's not fair to MJK when you use one chapter of his books to label him names.
I am just stating it as it is. MJK did advocate people to study Confucianism and Daoism, and stated that its the foundation to Buddhism. If me stating it as it is, thats consider irrespectful and rude, then I am sorry. I am oblige to do wat I have to do: stating it as it is.
I had shown u another link to another dharma talk which he advocate Confucianism and Daoism, stating that they are the entry and foundation to Buddhism. I am sure there are more such dharma talk from him.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:
Not blasphemous. 'cause u are not a Dharma Master! If u as a Dharma Master said Dao De Jing is compulsory prerequistic to learn the BuddhaDharma, tats not orthodox Buddhism.
can buy that title at ntuc?
orthodox and unorthodox,
dharma master and dharma slave,
these too shall pass.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
Hahahah..........MJK is a dharma master, then who are you ?
a 69 ?
hmmm can i get that 69 title as well? :p
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Originally posted by Wiser:
Hahahah..........MJK is a dharma master, then who are you ?
a 69 ?
I am not a Dharma Master. I am just a concern Buddhist. And if Dharma Master go advocate Confucianism and Daoism as prerequiste to Buddhism, what is he really? A 三教 teacher or a Dharma Master?
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hi, zenist,
ok, u sound better and rational and calm in this threat. ok, i promise i won't lock if u stay this way. the lastest one is lock by AEN i think. i'm fine if u insult me. :)
actually i just heard MCK address the exactly issue. i'm quite busy working, so i see if i can extract the exact word. thanks for being polite.
AMTF!
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