Eternal, How do you assume that Yi Kwan Tao does not lead to liberation?
And even if it does not lead to liberation, why cant we consider Yi kwan Tao as foundational gates of entry to Buddhism then ?
i wouldn't trust a can-opener from Taiwan...............
much less another man-made secretive poor excuse for a religion from Taiwan..........
they keep saying they have a secret and can't tell anybody..............
i thought the secret is already out...............with all those ''The Secret'' books and dvds...........LOL
Originally posted by WeeShun:sinweiy, that is only a outer ritual, right? Yi Kwan tao teaches us to do good and do no evil too. They teach us to to honour our parents, not to kill sentient beings, do good deeds, pray and learn from all religious saints.
Pureland and Heaven got difference? Isn't it only just name and labels? In Buddhism we call pureland but in Yi Kwan Tao they call it higher heaven.
What's so not right and strange? Why are you so attached to names, outer rituals and you got such a heart of differenciation between Buddhism and Yi kwan Tao, shouldn't you be all embracing?
did they? haha, i don't know about the do good part. but problem is, after one join them, the follow up procedures is the ones we are rejecting, not the do good part. this is how we differentiate. same with Daoism and Confucius. it's the 2 books we extract, not the rests.
yes, the rule is the same, label can be different, but the mind cannot be different. think u not at the level to say oneness. so yes it's different. enff said.
I too, used to pray to the Buddha, Guan Yin and all Buddhist deities to deliver from my troubles, I being if I pray hard enough, they will help solve my problems. Just like christians muslims pray to God to deliver them.
Now I just practise.
weychin, but one Buddhist venerable master teaches that God comes in many forms, in india comes as Sakyamuni Buddha.
And why are you so attached to names and labels? And why do you need to induct them into Buddhism, Issint Yi Kwan Tao equally good or at least can practise Yi Kwan Tao as a foundational gates of entry to Buddhism. right?
Eternalnow, How do you assume that Yi Kwan Tao does not lead to liberation?
And even if it does not lead to liberation, why cant we consider Yi kwan Tao as foundational gates of entry to Buddhism then ?
Originally posted by WeeShun:Sinweiy, so this fourm banned yi kwan tao without a reason and it just copied the rules from another forum over here ?
partly, not all without a reason.
Christians and Muslims.............they and their wishful thinking.............
hoping and then deluding themselves that someone up in the sky will do the dying for them...........wipe away their sins............and then welcome them to heaven...........
they never think the whole thing was just a massive advertising campaign to make them join the religion.................
sinweiy, so what's the reason?
This has always been my question all along
also what make it right for you to consider nothing wrong to "pull two books" out and add on to Buddhism and something so wrong with them for pulling all books out into yikwantao?
Yi Guan Tao will use a sand tray and someone will hold a pen to write poem . The hand is directed by the Deities. The poem will be in many words and an expert will circle the phrase that the Deities want to tell the followers.
How is that similar to Buddhism?
Originally posted by WeeShun:weychin, but one Buddhist venerable master teaches that God comes in many forms, in india comes as Sakyamuni Buddha.
And why are you so attached to names and labels? And why do you need to induct them into Buddhism, Issint Yi Kwan Tao equally good or at least can practise Yi Kwan Tao as a foundational gates of entry to Buddhism. right?
Eternalnow, How do you assume that Yi Kwan Tao does not lead to liberation?
And even if it does not lead to liberation, why cant we consider Yi kwan Tao as foundational gates of entry to Buddhism then ?
As a devotee, if i know for sure who is the most powerful god, I will pray to that god.
So if I think Buddha is the most powerful God, who are you to tell me otherwise?!!!
Even though one becomes a Buddhist, the concept of God does not go away overnight.
However, when one loses self, the all powerful god slowly fades. But it is long journey, takes a bit of time to let go.
different views reveal different results of truths...
waychin, becos u are too attached to names and labels.
Venerable Master Chin Kung said, God appears in the form of Buddha in india.
Originally posted by WeeShun:sinweiy, so what's the reason?
This has always been my question all along
also what make it right for you to consider nothing wrong to "pull two books" out and add on to Buddhism and something so wrong with them for pulling all books out into yikwantao?
AEN and some of the rest is explaining mah....
do name the books in yikwantao, that teach simple ways of Standards for being a Good Student and Child and 190+ over stories of Cause and effect.
Originally posted by Wiser:Yi Guan Tao will use a sand tray and someone will hold a pen to write poem . The hand is directed by the Deities. The poem will be in many words and an expert will circle the phrase that the Deities want to tell the followers.
How is that similar to Buddhism?
Yi Guan Tao is founded by a Taiwanese man who also claimed that his wife and his mother is from the Higher Heavens. He gave his mother the title of Holy Mother. All his followers must show utmost respect to him , his wife and his mother.
How is that similar to Buddhism ?
wiser, are you sure Yi kwan Tao in singapore does that pen tray thing?
Also assuming if they do, they teach all religions goodness, cant it be gates of entry to Buddhism and instead this forumn banning them?
Originally posted by WeeShun:wiser, are you sure Yi kwan Tao in singapore does that pen tray thing?
Also assuming if they do, they teach all religions goodness, cant it be gates of entry to Buddhism and instead this forumn banning them?
hahahaha.....first you tell me how is using a pen on a sand tray similar to buddha teachings? yes, they do it in Singapore. I have seen the paper poem shown to me by a friend.
sinweiy, I am also waiting for your explanation. Cannot be you got no views right?
Yikwantao books name? They embrace Tai Shang gan Yin Pian, Tao Te Ching, qing jing ching, Wu jing Si shu, Da Xue, Zhong Yong, holy Bible, Quran, Diamond Sutra, Platform Sutra andalmost all buddhist sutras.
So whats wrong now? Are you saying from the aboved mentioned books from the vast list of religions, all no teach goof Karma, good student asnd good child? from good child and student all the way to buddhahood, you name it and they have it.
So I have named to you now, waiting for your answer
Originally posted by WeeShun:waychin, becos u are too attached to names and labels.
Venerable Master Chin Kung said, God appears in the form of Buddha in india.
I am not attached to the label God, you are.
If ones is attached to God than Guan Yin(manifestation of compassion) will appear in the form of a God.
If you are Buddhist, you would know Buddha is not a God, or Creator. Just as there is no permanent soul, there is no eternal god.
But if God is loving kindness and compassion,and put it high above everything else then God it is.
wiser, as i mentioned to u and even if they does that, their teachings why cannot be gates of entry to Buddhism?
They teach us to have good morale and conduct, be good children and student, respect elders and nature.
FYI, you should visit them to verify for yourself if they have the pen tray thing, their Hq in redhill and sengkang, just by hearsay not truthful enuff.
weychin, are you saying Venerable Chin Kung is wrong to say that now?
Originally posted by WeeShun:
they teach all religions goodness, cant it be gates of entry to Buddhism and instead this forumn banning them?
btw, we not asking people to wholeheartedly go join folk believe Daoism or Yi kwan Tao, it's the after procedures and ritual that's dangerous. i believe LaoZi time, also no rituals. confucius at least no ritual, still if u want to escape suffering, then just confucius, cannot make it. entry is entry. escape is escape.
sinweiy, now i toking about entry not escape.
So can Yi Guan Dao now be gates of entry for Buddhism now?
Originally posted by WeeShun:Venerable Master Chin Kung said, God appears in the form of Buddha in india.
objection, never said that before. word is word, meaning is another thing.
so your meaning does not comply with your word.
Kou bu dui xin ?
Also if Venerable Chin Kung's assumption of all religions is one or even using confucian and taoist scriptures as entry to Buddhism is accepted while Yi Guan Dao also promote the same but being objected, this is unfair. Based on what is Yi Kwan Tao rejected while Ven CK's belief is allowed.
Originally posted by WeeShun:weychin, are you saying Venerable Chin Kung is wrong to say that now?
If God is the highest expression that a person can reached, then Buddha is God. But remember,although you cannot be God in another religion, but you can be a Buddha, there is a difference.