Originally posted by WeeShun:weychin, Waterloo Guan Yin Temple has never considered itself Buddhism, it has always declared itself to be under the Xian Tian Dao lineage and Xian Tian Dao has a history of embracing all three religions as the core of their religions. They have another sister temple at Joo Jiat.
But when Buddhist temple starts teaching and distributing and even preaching non buddhist teachings to Buddhists, problems arises. The Buddhist temple is responsible for propagating the teachings of the Buddha and not taoism, as Buddhists we build our foundation and grow on the path the Buddha had lead and taught to us not Laozi or Jesus path.
Exactly, but when preaching to who are generally go to temples to "pai pai" or eat vegetarian food during 1st and 15th of the lunar month, these people are "wai tao", these are just preliminary introduction to Buddhism relative to contemporary faith.
Before becoming a Buddhist, everybody not born in a Buddhist world, Buddhist continent, Buddhist country, Buddhist community, Buddhist family and Buddhist practices, everybody is practically "wai dao', why? Because, only then can a Buddhist can truly be Buddhist.
As you practise bit by bit, day by day, etc., you become a little less ignorant. If people are wai dao to begin, should engage them in a way that they can relate. You see people be enlighten in this life, you do not see the accumulated efforts of previous life time. Everybody walks at different speed, and relate new information in relation to older stored information.
Allow me to put things in perspective:http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/419984
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However, relations between ordinary folks of different religions have actually been very cordial. For instance, up to the time when I escaped from mainland China in the1940s, itinerant Buddhist monks could seek lodging in Taoist temples, and itinerant Taoist clerics could pass the night in Buddhist monasteries -they respected one another's faith and method of spiritual practice. Chinese maintain that "all paths lead to the same destination." So any religious practitioner who does not go against the basic moral principles of love, peace, and the pursuit of true happiness is worthy of approval regardless of his method of practice. Hence the Chinese saying that "Buddhist monks and Taoist clerics all belong to the same family."
China has a plurality of ethnic groups and a great diversity of religions. At one time in history, the Confucians, due to their self-centeredness and superiority complex, viewed non-Han races as uncivilized barbarians.
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Chinese Mahayana Buddhists believe that the good teachings in all religions are the elementary prerequisites for attaining Buddhahood, and that the prophets of all religions are manifestations of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. They have manifested themselves in these various personas only to adapt to different cultures and living environments, so that they may use the most appropriate means to deliver sentient beings. Hence in the 12th century, the Confucian scholar Lu Jiuyuan (1139-1193), influenced by Buddhism, said that "When a sage appears in the East, he has the same mind and realizes the same principle; when a sage appears in the West, he has the same mind and realizes the same principle." This means that all prophets, from whatever geographical area and of whatever religion, have more or less the same love and realize roughly the same truth.
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Buddhism has been in China now for 2,000 years. When it was first introduced to China, it tried to adapt to indigenous Chinese culture as much as possible, even using Taoist and Confucian terminology and concepts to explain parts of its doctrines. This then contributed to the arising of Buddhist schools with distinctly Chinese characteristics such as the Tiantai, Huayan, Pure Land, and Chan schools. In other words, Buddhism in China first learned and absorbed elements from traditional Chinese culture, then evolved into new schools distinct from Indian Buddhist schools. Even traditional Chinese Confucians learned and incorporated Buddhist thought, which resulted in the rise of Neo-Confucianism in the Song and Ming dynasties. Chinese Taoists, in a similar manner, transformed and incorporated many Buddhist scriptures into the Taoist Canon, thereby enriching Taoist culture. In China, Buddhist monks from the generation before mine were required to be well versed in not only the Buddhist Canon, but also Confucian and Taoist thought; otherwise, it would have been difficult for them to propagate Buddhist teachings. In our age, we should open our minds even more, and learn about the various world religions, so as not to find ourselves in self-imposed isolation with narrow horizons, like a frog gazing up at the sky from the bottom of a well.
If we turn back to discuss Indian religions, we can see that they, too, have contributed to one another's growth through mutual influence and stimulation. In fact, much of the content of Buddhism was incorporated from ancient Indian religions. In the Buddha's time, different religious sects and schools filled India, some ancient, and some newly-established. Siddhartha Gautama himself humbly learned from many teachers of various spiritual schools. After becoming a Buddha, though he developed distinctly Buddhist views, and discarded many religious views and beliefs not in conformity with Buddhism, Buddhism is still a product of Indian religious culture. Hence, in turn, in the 8th century the great Hindu philosopher Shankara (700-750) consulted Buddhist Madhyamika philosophy and thereby created Vedantic philosophy.
Just so you understand, none of the Mahayana practices we see today are "pure" as the way you put it.
Some may even dispute Mahayana is not orthodox Buddhism, but as it does'nt affect me and prevent me from learning and enriching myself from "unorthodox" sources, I won't bother.
By the way can you tell me what is Buddha nature and what is'nt Buddha natue?
Originally posted by Weychin:Exactly, but when preaching to who are generally go to temples to "pai pai" or eat vegetarian food during 1st and 15th of the lunar month, these people are "wai tao", these are just preliminary introduction to Buddhism relative to contemporary faith.
Before becoming a Buddhist, everybody not born in a Buddhist world, Buddhist continent, Buddhist country, Buddhist community, Buddhist family and Buddhist practices, everybody is practically "wai dao', why? Because, only then can a Buddhist can truly be Buddhist.
As you practise bit by bit, day by day, etc., you become a little less ignorant. If people are wai dao to begin, should engage them in a way that they can relate. You see people be enlighten in this life, you do not see the accumulated efforts of previous life time. Everybody walks at different speed, and relate new information in relation to older stored information.
Allow me to put things in perspective:http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/419984
excerpt 1
However, relations between ordinary folks of different religions have actually been very cordial. For instance, up to the time when I escaped from mainland China in the1940s, itinerant Buddhist monks could seek lodging in Taoist temples, and itinerant Taoist clerics could pass the night in Buddhist monasteries -they respected one another's faith and method of spiritual practice. Chinese maintain that "all paths lead to the same destination." So any religious practitioner who does not go against the basic moral principles of love, peace, and the pursuit of true happiness is worthy of approval regardless of his method of practice. Hence the Chinese saying that "Buddhist monks and Taoist clerics all belong to the same family."
China has a plurality of ethnic groups and a great diversity of religions. At one time in history, the Confucians, due to their self-centeredness and superiority complex, viewed non-Han races as uncivilized barbarians.excerpt 2
Chinese Mahayana Buddhists believe that the good teachings in all religions are the elementary prerequisites for attaining Buddhahood, and that the prophets of all religions are manifestations of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. They have manifested themselves in these various personas only to adapt to different cultures and living environments, so that they may use the most appropriate means to deliver sentient beings. Hence in the 12th century, the Confucian scholar Lu Jiuyuan (1139-1193), influenced by Buddhism, said that "When a sage appears in the East, he has the same mind and realizes the same principle; when a sage appears in the West, he has the same mind and realizes the same principle." This means that all prophets, from whatever geographical area and of whatever religion, have more or less the same love and realize roughly the same truth.
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Buddhism has been in China now for 2,000 years. When it was first introduced to China, it tried to adapt to indigenous Chinese culture as much as possible, even using Taoist and Confucian terminology and concepts to explain parts of its doctrines. This then contributed to the arising of Buddhist schools with distinctly Chinese characteristics such as the Tiantai, Huayan, Pure Land, and Chan schools. In other words, Buddhism in China first learned and absorbed elements from traditional Chinese culture, then evolved into new schools distinct from Indian Buddhist schools. Even traditional Chinese Confucians learned and incorporated Buddhist thought, which resulted in the rise of Neo-Confucianism in the Song and Ming dynasties. Chinese Taoists, in a similar manner, transformed and incorporated many Buddhist scriptures into the Taoist Canon, thereby enriching Taoist culture. In China, Buddhist monks from the generation before mine were required to be well versed in not only the Buddhist Canon, but also Confucian and Taoist thought; otherwise, it would have been difficult for them to propagate Buddhist teachings. In our age, we should open our minds even more, and learn about the various world religions, so as not to find ourselves in self-imposed isolation with narrow horizons, like a frog gazing up at the sky from the bottom of a well.
If we turn back to discuss Indian religions, we can see that they, too, have contributed to one another's growth through mutual influence and stimulation. In fact, much of the content of Buddhism was incorporated from ancient Indian religions. In the Buddha's time, different religious sects and schools filled India, some ancient, and some newly-established. Siddhartha Gautama himself humbly learned from many teachers of various spiritual schools. After becoming a Buddha, though he developed distinctly Buddhist views, and discarded many religious views and beliefs not in conformity with Buddhism, Buddhism is still a product of Indian religious culture. Hence, in turn, in the 8th century the great Hindu philosopher Shankara (700-750) consulted Buddhist Madhyamika philosophy and thereby created Vedantic philosophy.
Ven JK his dharma talk is to all people. Not just toward certain group people who is slow or certain group of people who is fast. He didn't say, some of u who's wiser/ fast, should go study Buddhism straight away. No. He advocate all people go study Daoism and Confucianism, regardless of their level, as entry and foundation to Buddhism. So your Ven JK skillful mean defense doesn't apply here.
To uphold the Dharma, that doesn't mean disrespect other religions and teachings. To uphold the Dharma, doesn't mean disrespect the multi religion society. To uphold the Dharma, doesn't mean Buddhism should incooperate other religions and teachings into BuddhaDharma.
AMTF
Originally posted by Zenist69:Ven JK his dharma talk is to all people. Not just toward certain group people is are slow or certain gropu of people who is fast. He didn't say, some of u who's wiser/ fast, should go study Buddhism straight away. No. He advocate all people go study Daoism and Confucianism, regardless of their level, as entry and foundation to Buddhism. So your Ven JK skillful mean defense doesn't apply here.
To uphold the Dharma, that doesn't mean disrespect other religions and teachings. To uphold the Dharma, doesn't disrespect towards multi religion society. To uphold the Dharma, doesn't mean Buddhism should incooperate other religions and teachings into BuddhaDharma.
AMTF
Because you are stuck in "only can use True Dharma to teach view".
There are truths and wisdom in the Daoism and Confucianism, otherwise the chinese cannot for so long as one uninterrupted civilisation. Anyway, I can make a bet , he used Mandarin in his discourse, dids'nt he?
Just a kindergarten teacher using songs, dances, and materials gathered from outside the school to teach, a teacher in his wisdom use whatever neccessary to make the students understand. Just the the Buddha using parables,sure, the characters may not actually exist, but do you wish to take the Buddha to task for not using the Dharma and the precepts to teach too?!!!
Originally posted by Weychin:Just so you understand, none of the Mahayana practices we see today are "pure" as the way you put it.
Some may even dispute Mahayana is not orthodox Buddhism, but as it does'nt affect me and prevent me from learning and enriching myself from "unorthodox" sources, I won't bother.
Assuming u are right to say that none of the Mahayana is as "pure".. But that doesn't mean its okay to complicate the matter by introduce other religions and teachings into Mahayana Buddhism.
Mahayana is unorthodox Buddhism, from whose point of view? Dun think its from Mahayana itself.
There's a difference between enriching oneself (layperson) by reading non buddhist book, and advocating non buddhist book, advocating practice non buddhist teaching, as entry and foundation of Buddhism by a Dharma Master.
Just like we are corresponding now, the discourses are made in context to our conversation, yet it will come out in a different due to different interpretation by different readers.
I am not reactive or adverse to using the Daoist and Confucian Classics,for I am able to discern the wisdom contain therein is not incompatible with Buddhism.
And because I am non reactive, I am not agitated.
Originally posted by Zenist69:Assuming u are right to say that none of the Mahayana is as "pure".. But that doesn't mean its okay to complicate the matter by introduce other religions and teachings into Mahayana Buddhism.
Mahayana is unorthodox Buddhism, from whose point of view? Dun think its from Mahayana itself.
There's a difference between enriching oneself (layperson) by reading non buddhist book, and advocating non buddhist book, advocating practice non buddhist teaching, as entry and foundation of Buddhism by a Dharma Master.
In the beginning there is just Buddhism, and due to disagreement over teachings that's why there is now Theravada and Mahayana.
Theravada is the Vehicle of the Elders, while Mahayana is the Greater Vehicle. Just as there are Buddhist who do not regard Mahayana as true to Buddha's teachings , so now you do not regard Master Jing Kung as true Buddha's teaching.
Just as some who label Theravada as Hinayana vehicle in a derogatory manner, luckily, for myself, it is only a label. Therefore I can benefit from either, because I am more accepting.
Originally posted by Weychin:Because you are stuck in "only can use True Dharma to teach view".
There are truths and wisdom in the Daoism and Confucianism, otherwise the chinese cannot for so long as one uninterrupted civilisation. Anyway, I can make a bet , he used Mandarin in his discourse, dids'nt he?
Just a kindergarten teacher using songs, dances, and materials gathered from outside the school to teach, a teacher in his wisdom use whatever neccessary to make the students understand. Just the the Buddha using parables,sure, the characters may not actually exist, but do you wish to take the Buddha to task for not using the Dharma and the precepts to teach too?!!!
Its a Dharma Master duty to uphold Dharma isn't it?
There are some truths and wisdom in Daoism and Confucianism. But all of which are covered in Buddhism. So why need to use Daoism and Confucianism as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Why not just go straight and use BuddhaDharma as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Why the detour?
Like I said, the Ven JK skillful mean defense is flawed. Because he didn't just advocate Confucianism and Daoism as entry and foundation to certain group of people. He advocate it to all people.
Originally posted by Weychin:Just like we are corresponding now, the discourses are made in context to our conversation, yet it will come out in a different due to different interpretation by different readers.
I am not reactive or adverse to using the Daoist and Confucian Classics,for I am able to discern the wisdom contain therein is not incompatible with Buddhism.
And because I am non reactive, I am not agitated.
Not incompatible with Buddhism, but there are differences between them and Buddhism. So why use teachings which are not Buddhism, compatible with Buddhism, but have differences with Buddhism, as entry and foundation to Buddhism?? Doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by Zenist69:Its a Dharma Master duty to uphold Dharma isn't it?
There are some truths and wisdom in Daoism and Confucianism. But all of which are covered in Buddhism. So why need to use Daoism and Confucianism as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Why not just go straight and use BuddhaDharma as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Why the detour?
Like I said, the Ven JK skillful mean defense is flawed. Because he didn't just advocate Confucianism and Daoism as entry and foundation to certain group of people. He advocate it to all people.
Suggest reading for you:-
http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/420276?page=1#posts-10126753
I speak, but the deaf could not hear,
I write, but the blind could not read.
I clarify,the delusional could not discern.
I teach , the ignorant could not understand.
Originally posted by Weychin:In the beginning there is just Buddhism, and due to disagreement over teachings that's why there is now Theravada and Mahayana.
Theravada is the Vehicle of the Elders, while Mahayana is the Greater Vehicle. Just as there are Buddhist who do not regard Mahayana as true to Buddha's teachings , so now you do not regard Master Jing Kung as true Buddha's teaching.
Just as some who label Theravada as Hinayana vehicle in a derogatory manner, luckily, for myself, it is only a label. Therefore I can benefit from either, because I am more accepting.
Ven JK is under the PureLand sect. And Pure Land sect is under Mahayana Buddhism. Is preaching Confucianism and Daoism as entry and foundation to Buddhism in line with Pure Land sect teachings, in line with Mahayana Buddhism teachings? I dun think so.
Dictated but not read, your mind to too deluded with self righteousness , let wait you cultivate further and when mind has stilled somewhat, ok? Then you may see better!
Buddhism has been in China now for 2,000 years. When it was first introduced to China, it tried to adapt to indigenous Chinese culture as much as possible, even using Taoist and Confucian terminology and concepts to explain parts of its doctrines. This then contributed to the arising of Buddhist schools with distinctly Chinese characteristics such as the Tiantai, Huayan, Pure Land, and Chan schools. In other words, Buddhism in China first learned and absorbed elements from traditional Chinese culture, then evolved into new schools distinct from Indian Buddhist schools. Even traditional Chinese Confucians learned and incorporated Buddhist thought, which resulted in the rise of Neo-Confucianism in the Song and Ming dynasties. Chinese Taoists, in a similar manner, transformed and incorporated many Buddhist scriptures into the Taoist Canon, thereby enriching Taoist culture. In China, Buddhist monks from the generation before mine were required to be well versed in not only the Buddhist Canon, but also Confucian and Taoist thought; otherwise, it would have been difficult for them to propagate Buddhist teachings.
Originally posted by Zenist69:So why need to use Daoism and Confucianism as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Why not just go straight and use BuddhaDharma as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Why the detour?
Like I said, the Ven JK skillful mean defense is flawed. Because he didn't just advocate Confucianism and Daoism as entry and foundation to certain group of people. He advocate it to all people.
as mentioned, the simple reason, is because many household buddhists nowaday (like me) do not have much time to read the vast hinayana (foundation) sutras, due to working and all. Confucianism and Daoism helped by consolidated it to something more summarised and most of all, more effective.
He advocate it to all people that have respect in a teacher. if not, if he see u no respect, he won't say.
and also he's sharing and recording his learning process. the people listen can pick which ever useful to their daily life. to me, i also don't follow all everything. as some are talking to christian, or Confucianism and Daoism, telling them to learn their own teachings well and be a good person. Same like Dalai Lama is doing now. He's not converting people.
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Originally posted by Weychin:Suggest reading for you:-
http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/420276?page=1#posts-10126753
I speak, but the deaf could not hear,
I write, but the blind could not read.
I clarify,the delusional could not discern.
I teach , the ignorant could not understand.
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---慧律法师
"...those with different views, just *gassho* and let him/ her be happy."
---Venerable Hui Lü
Originally posted by Zenist69:”。。。若è§�解与我ä¸�å�Œè€…，å�ˆæŽŒä»¤å…¶æ¬¢å–œ“
---慧律法师
"...those with different views, just *gassho* and let him/ her be happy."
---Venerable Hui Lü
Yes, as you should
Originally posted by Weychin:Dictated but not read, your mind to too deluded with self righteousness , let wait you cultivate further and when mind has stilled somewhat, ok? Then you may see better!
Buddhism has been in China now for 2,000 years. When it was first introduced to China, it tried to adapt to indigenous Chinese culture as much as possible, even using Taoist and Confucian terminology and concepts to explain parts of its doctrines. This then contributed to the arising of Buddhist schools with distinctly Chinese characteristics such as the Tiantai, Huayan, Pure Land, and Chan schools. In other words, Buddhism in China first learned and absorbed elements from traditional Chinese culture, then evolved into new schools distinct from Indian Buddhist schools. Even traditional Chinese Confucians learned and incorporated Buddhist thought, which resulted in the rise of Neo-Confucianism in the Song and Ming dynasties. Chinese Taoists, in a similar manner, transformed and incorporated many Buddhist scriptures into the Taoist Canon, thereby enriching Taoist culture. In China, Buddhist monks from the generation before mine were required to be well versed in not only the Buddhist Canon, but also Confucian and Taoist thought; otherwise, it would have been difficult for them to propagate Buddhist teachings.
Firstly, Ven Shen Yan, he was referring to the Chinese Buddhist monks, generation before him.
Secondly, the statement u shown, it doesn't support Ven JK teachings. Why? There's a difference for senior monks, who have good grasp on Buddhism, go read on Confucianism and Daoism in order to reach out to more people, and Ven JK advocacy of Confucianism and Daoism as entry and foundation to Buddhism.There's a great difference. Think about it.
*Gassho*
Originally posted by Weychin:Yes, as you should
No harm trying to sort out the difference first.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
as mentioned, the simple reason, is because many household buddhists nowaday (like me) do not have much time to read the vast hinayana (foundation) sutras, due to working and all. Confucianism and Daoism helped by consolidated it to something more summarised and most of all, more effective.He advocate it to all people that have respect in a teacher. if not, if he see u no respect, he won't say.
and also he's sharing and recording his learning process. the people listen can pick which ever useful to their daily life. to me, i also don't follow all everything. as some are talking to christian, or Confucianism and Daoism, telling them to learn their own teachings well and be a good person. Same like Dalai Lama is doing now. He's not converting people.
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Like I said, there are lots of elementary Buddhism textbooks out there. Why cant they serve as entry and foundation to Buddhism instead?
He advocate only to people that have respect in a teacher? Not true. His DVD, he cant see who's the audience at the other end. When he record his so call 'learning process', his dharma talk, he should know that it will be spread out, propagate thru DVD distribution and Internet. So, this skillful mean defense dun apply here.
Dawnlight you said
Yes, you are correct. Yi Kuan Dao is definitely not Buddhism. Their behaviour has cult-like behaviours :
1) they believe upon "conversion" to yi-kuan dao, their names will automatically remove from hell. In Buddhism, we don't believe in this, our behaviour matters.
Ans: Christians believe when you convert to christianity, you will not go to hell and for those non believers, only eternal lakes of fire for them.
2) the followers were made to swear that if they leve the sect, they will be strike by lightning (五雷轰顶). It is a kind of threat. Buddhism does not threaten its followers.
Ans: Christians are baptised into their religion making their oath to their God and if they leave God, God will be angry and will punish them.
3) It does not lead people to liberate.
Ans: Christianity, Taoism, Islam and Confucianism does not lead people to liberated. But I would like to know why Yi Kwan Tao cannot lead people to be liberated, how do you know that?
4) they are very secretive, did not open their door to the public except those who have converted and those who are going to be converted. Buddhism opens its door to everyone, Buddhism believes in 普渡众生。
Ans: Churches although open their doors to everyone but its normally through a chruch goer bringing in new converts to God and those who have been invitied to church has always been ask to convert.
5) they pray to ��娘, their final destination is go back to ��娘. Buddha did not tell us that ��娘 is a Buddha. There is no mention of ��娘 in any Buddhist sutra.
Ans: Ven CK promotes Tai Shang Lao Jun and Ven CK clearly says that All religions are the same, God has many faces, in india appear as Buddha, in China appear as Laozi, in Middle East appear as Mohd and in Western appear as Jesus Christ. There is too no mention of Tai Shang Lao Jun, Jesus, Confucious and Mohd in Buddhist Sutras.
Does the above make christianity a Evil religion and makes yi kwan tao right too?
reborn, I have never considered Yi Kwan Tao as Buddhism, worry not. I am making this topic because Ven CK is almost like Yi Kwan Tao. The triple gems of buddha dharma and sangha since not present in Yi kwan Tao is also absent in Taoism and Confucianism and all other religions, this is also the perfect reason why we as Buddhists should not advocate non buddhist scriptures to our own buddhists.
what about tibetan buddhism?
There are 3 types of buddhism right?
Dawnlight, So you see the differnece now?
When we preach to general ppl who goes to temples to pray pray and eat vegeterian food during f1st and 15th, do we start to preach taoism and confucianism to them? Or just because they are pai pai, buddhist temples starts cooking lots of meat in order to "attract" them to Buddhism? Also, is taishang gan yin pian, bible, quran not wai dao? According to some ppl here, xin wai qiu fa is wai dao, so are you saying that you are xin wei qiu fa now?
I agree that before becoming a Buddhist not everyone will be born into a Buddhist world and this is why the more as Buddhist, we should propagate and practise the Buddha's teachings, know the dharma and make the dharma known instead of know taoism and confucianism and make them known. Its already wrong to beginn with. As i have mentioned, Buddhism has a system from Pre Sch to University for us, there is no need to seek taoist, confucian, bible and quran as assesment books for you now.
So do you mean by Buddhist temples preaching on Taoism, Confucianism, Bible and even Quran is a good way to start to engage waidao in a way they can relate???
Waychin you said: Because you are stuck in "only can use True Dharma to teach view".
There are truths and wisdom in the Daoism and Confucianism, otherwise the chinese cannot for so long as one uninterrupted civilisation. Anyway, I can make a bet , he used Mandarin in his discourse, dids'nt he?
Just a kindergarten teacher using songs, dances, and materials gathered from outside the school to teach, a teacher in his wisdom use whatever neccessary to make the students understand. Just the the Buddha using parables,sure, the characters may not actually exist, but do you wish to take the Buddha to task for not using the Dharma and the precepts to teach too?!!!
So you mean we should not only use the Buddha's teaching to teach people?
As Buddhist, we agree that there are wisdom and values in Taoism, Confucianism, Christianity and Islam but does this equate to Buddhists spreading these teachings ? in the case of Ven CK.
Yi kwan Tao embraces all the wisdom and values in all religions, issn't them greater? How fair issit to call Yi Kwan Tao a cult for rojak-ing all religions into one while considering right for Ven CK or Buddhists to rojak other religions into Buddhism? Both is equally wrong.
As I have mentioned in my previous post, Buddhism has a full system from Pre school to university and all we need to do is to sincerely and honestly practise what the Buddha had pathed the way for us. Why is there a need for Buddhists to start "seeking for truth" in Taoism, Confucianism, Christianity and Islam?
Buddhists are not truth seekers, we are truth followers. Our teacher the Buddha has found and paved the Path, all we need to do is to follow the path and practise it dilligently.
Originally posted by WeeShun:Dawnlight you said
Yes, you are correct. Yi Kuan Dao is definitely not Buddhism. Their behaviour has cult-like behaviours :
1) they believe upon "conversion" to yi-kuan dao, their names will automatically remove from hell. In Buddhism, we don't believe in this, our behaviour matters.
Ans: Christians believe when you convert to christianity, you will not go to hell and for those non believers, only eternal lakes of fire for them.2) the followers were made to swear that if they leve the sect, they will be strike by lightning (五雷轰顶). It is a kind of threat. Buddhism does not threaten its followers.
Ans: Christians are baptised into their religion making their oath to their God and if they leave God, God will be angry and will punish them.
3) It does not lead people to liberate.
Ans: Christianity, Taoism, Islam and Confucianism does not lead people to liberated. But I would like to know why Yi Kwan Tao cannot lead people to be liberated, how do you know that?4) they are very secretive, did not open their door to the public except those who have converted and those who are going to be converted. Buddhism opens its door to everyone, Buddhism believes in 普渡众生。
Ans: Churches although open their doors to everyone but its normally through a chruch goer bringing in new converts to God and those who have been invitied to church has always been ask to convert.5) they pray to ��娘, their final destination is go back to ��娘. Buddha did not tell us that ��娘 is a Buddha. There is no mention of ��娘 in any Buddhist sutra.
Ans: Ven CK promotes Tai Shang Lao Jun and Ven CK clearly says that All religions are the same, God has many faces, in india appear as Buddha, in China appear as Laozi, in Middle East appear as Mohd and in Western appear as Jesus Christ. There is too no mention of Tai Shang Lao Jun, Jesus, Confucious and Mohd in Buddhist Sutras.
Does the above make christianity a Evil religion and makes yi kwan tao right too?
I have no comments if Yi Kwan Dao stands on its own and did not claim their link to Buddhism, but that is not the case. They went round telling people that Amitabha's era is over, now it is another era which is what they are promoting. This is not true, there are many Buddhists who experienced the existence of Amitabha. Spreading the false dharma is a serious matter as it will æ–众生的法身慧命。
I have no comments for other religion which threaten their followers as long as they don't claim their linkage to Buddhism. That is why I choose Buddhism which does not threaten its followers. What is there to threaten if the religion is the truth. So, to me Buddhism is the truth.
I have listened to MJK's talk but I did not hear what you mentioned that he said God has many faces. But anyway, he did say the only way to Pureland is to recite Amitabha's name which he is promoting unless you tell me MJK advise people to recite Tai Shan Lao Jun's name to go Pureland. If he did, I will agree that it is not right.