Dun follow the schizo master
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There are 84000 ways in Buddhism, study Confucianism and Daoism as entry to Buddhism, its not one of them.
Dun follow the schizo master who advocate Confucianism and Daoism as entry to Buddhism. U might land in the schizo land.
Amtf.
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ive no comments. To me, I think, sometimes there could be misunderstandings. =)
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i wan to follow...i wan to follow...
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zenist, i think we should not resort to calling Ven Ck ugly names. we should point out correctly, discuss or even debate over the wrong teachings by Ven Ck, only by talking senses and backing up with reasons, scriptural proof and healthy discussion will people be able to think. Otherwise people will mistake you as a trouble maker which I believe you are not.
I have always been quiet in this forum but your zeal and passion for the dharma makes me want to stand out and speak for the dharma.
Thank you and Namo Amituofo -
middleway, misunderstanding or not ? you can and you should do a proper research from as aspects from Buddhism.
There are two sides of views each maintaining our stand but up to you to make your own investigations. Never ever blindly follow, may it be a monk or layman. -
Originally posted by Zenist69:
There are 84000 ways in Buddhism, study Confucianism and Daoism as entry to Buddhism, its not one of them.
Dun follow the schizo master who advocate Confucianism and Daoism as entry to Buddhism. U might land in the schizo land.
Amtf.
一饮一啄， 莫é�ž 84000 ways。金刚ç»�：一切有为法，如梦幻泡影；如露亦如电，应作如是观 - 谓阿弥陀佛在心ä¸ã€‚
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Zenist69
I don't think is wise to slander a Dharma master despite of the fact that you disagree with Venerable Ching Kung teaching.
No worries, I am not a Pureland practitioner. I do have my own personal opinon and reservation about some of the talk but I do not find it a necessity to succumb to a public slander against him.
Firstly, I am not an accomplished practitioner therefore I do not have the proper insight to pinpoint the issue. Secondly, there are certain truth in his talk such as learning, reciting and practising based on a sutra. As I have know of people within my buddhist group who manage to cross over hurdle of life with single minded practice of chanting �無妙法蓮�經. Thirdly, such act might indirectly destroy our field of good merits.
Perhaps one can consider discuss about the doctrine differences then slandering the master. Which is more beneficial to the people in the forum.
Gassho
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
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i also worry some buddhists and beginners(like our friend pure_emptiness, i think as our real life example) is put off by such dogmatism and went back to Christianity or some would rather convert to 三教 than be "buddhists". what's also the karma for putting people off?.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:
There are 84000 ways in Buddhism, study Confuciaounism and Daoism as entry to Buddhism, its not one of them.
Dun follow the schizo master who advocate Confucianism and Daoism as entry to Buddhism. U might land in the schizo l
Amtf.
Well, I'm not going to spend time debating with you on Confuciansim and Di Zi Gui but I would like to hear from you besides that these are not Buddhism, what is wrong with Confucianism and Di Zi Gui ?
MCK did not ask you to practice Confuciansim and Di Zi Gui and stop practising Buddhism. These are on top, additional to Buddhism.
So, ���乱啦 ! 放下，放下�阿弥陀佛�
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thanks you...MASTER ZENIST69 ur advice is noted !
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must discern beyond the finger pointing the moon.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Well, I'm not going to spend time debating with you on Confuciansim and Di Zi Gui but I would like to hear from you besides that these are not Buddhism, what is wrong with Confucianism and Di Zi Gui ?
MCK did not ask you to practice Confuciansim and Di Zi Gui and stop practising Buddhism. These are on top, additional to Buddhism.
So, ���乱啦 ! 放下，放下�阿弥陀佛�
Let me quote u �顺导师view on this issue.
"Confucianism stresses the need for mental and physical cultivation. Above all, it is concerned with a great political ideal. It is common, down to earth, takes human affairs seriously and pays honour to rationality. All these are principal elements in the culture of China. I agreed with their philosophies and even praised them, but they were unable to fill in the emptiness in my unsettled heart. Others thought that I had become more pragmatic, but the fact is that I experienced an increasing emptiness.
Now that I reflect on it, I find that this experience was due to the fact that Confucianism gives little emphasis to religion. To the ordinary people, the practices of Confucianism seem common, and down to earth. The establishment of one’s virtue, merit, and teachings solely for this life cannot be constructed into an imposing and glorious blueprint for living. Such a plan is lacking in foresight. It cannot bring people into a state where their minds and hearts are at peace(i.e. a state in which they are unmoved by gain or loss, suffering or joy, life or death) and in this state stride forward along the path of glory."
So why use a plan lacking in foresight as entry and foundation to Buddhism? Go straight, learn and practice Buddhism instead of going one big round of detour. Life is short and precious.
AMTF
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佛法�离世间觉
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
佛法�离世间觉
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BuddhaDharma is all encompassing.
BuddhaDharma cover all levels including primary school level, secondary school level. Show me something Confucianism, or Daoism have, but the Buddhism didn't cover. If all aspect of Confucianism and Daoism are also cover in BuddhaDharma, Ven Xuan Hua point of view, like Ven JK, is flawed.
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sinweiy, it seems u did not understand the term Dhamma/ Dharma. So I am pasting from my previous posts to you.
Dhamma was a term for "teachings" not a word unique for Buddhists only. The same goes for the word "Sangha", monastics from jainism were also called sanghas and their teachings of Mahavira are called Dhamma.
As a Buddhist, I too think that the "dhamma" of Laozi, Mohd, Jesus and Confucious are good and well taught. Nothing wrong with giving apparsial to the wisdom n values to a non buddhist religion. But that does not equate to us bringing all the "goodies" into Buddhism mixing and match to our own taste.
As Buddhist, we should only honestly follow what the Buddha taught and Enlightenment is ours, since the Buddha never taught dizigui and taishangganyinpain and is capable of leading others to enter Buddhism, who are you to add on these non buddhist texts to Buddhism as entry?
UNLESS you agree with what Ven CK says that in this modern era, Buddhism is no longer enough to uplift the moral standards of the society, only by reviving confucian and taoist teachings and combining them into Buddhism then only we are able to change to downhill morals of modern era people.
Important qns, so is Buddhism alone sufficient? If you recongise that Buddhism alone not enough and the Buddha has not fully taught the entry to the Dharma, the buddha's teachings were lack of entry so now got to use non buddhists texts as entry to buddhism. If you agree with this, then i think i will have no arguments.
Also from the basic point of Buddhism, we can and should always recongise the goodness and values of another faith, may it be taoism, christianity, confuscious etc, there is no truth in Buddhism condemning another religion or their teaching just because it is not taught by the Buddha. However, we need to make clear that respecting and honouring/ spreading them are different. When Venerable Jing Kung crossed the line to start preaching and spreading non buddhist stuffs, he is polluting Buddhism.
Do not mistake me, I see the absolute goodness and value in Di Zi Gui and Tai Shang Gan Yin Pian but sorry I do not agree with Buddhists promoting them and practising them, esp when Tai Shang Gan Yin Pian's "Karmic" system of a personal deity above one's head compiling one's goodness and deeds does not comply with the Karmic system of Buddhism.
Namo Amituofo ~ -
佛教世间法是建立在三�的基础上的五乘共法�而进入三乘共法的出世间法最��入世出世间法的大乘�共法。
佛教讲的世间法�是世俗法啊。。佛教的世间人天善法建立在佛法僧三�的基础上是外教�共有的法。没有三�为基础的人天善法是世俗法。望�三�，切莫误解佛教大纲。
阿弥陀佛
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Originally posted by reborn76:
Zenist69
I don't think is wise to slander a Dharma master despite of the fact that you disagree with Venerable Ching Kung teaching.
No worries, I am not a Pureland practitioner. I do have my own personal opinon and reservation about some of the talk but I do not find it a necessity to succumb to a public slander against him.
Firstly, I am not an accomplished practitioner therefore I do not have the proper insight to pinpoint the issue. Secondly, there are certain truth in his talk such as learning, reciting and practising based on a sutra. As I have know of people within my buddhist group who manage to cross over hurdle of life with single minded practice of chanting �無妙法蓮�經. Thirdly, such act might indirectly destroy our field of good merits.
Perhaps one can consider discuss about the doctrine differences then slandering the master. Which is more beneficial to the people in the forum.
Gassho
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
My belief is that chanting Gan Ni Nah Beh Chao Chi Bye should also lead to enlightenment as well as any other chants if that is possible.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
My belief is that chanting Gan Ni Nah Beh Chao Chi Bye should also lead to enlightenment as well as any other chants if that is possible.
Can you for one moment cultivate yourself ?look at you ! totally like a toilet worm , can curse and swear and not afraid of retribution ..
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namo amituofo
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Originally posted by bohiruci:
Can you for one moment cultivate yourself ?look at you ! totally like a toilet worm , can curse and swear and not afraid of retribution ..
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I am cultivated and you are not.... My cultivation is cursing and swearing and thus I will have no fear of retribution.Cursing and swearing, does it improve the quality of your life?
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Oh dear...
feeling obliged to tell people about someone's "fault" has degraded to insults...?
What a shame....
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I am cultivated and you are not.... My cultivation is cursing and swearing and thus I will have no fear of retribution.You did not have a chance to see your great grandfather and great grandmother does not mean they had never existed before. So, you have not seen karma, retribution and hell does not mean they do not exist.
You are the type "who won't drop tears if you don't see your own coffin". Unless you change or your last swear will be in hell. When your retributions come, please don't ask why, you should know why.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
You did not have a chance to see your great grandfather and great grandmother does not mean they had never existed before. So, you have not seen karma, retribution and hell does not mean they do not exist.
You are the type "who won't drop tears if you don't see your own coffin". Unless you change or your last swear will be in hell. When your retributions come, please don't ask why, you should know why.
I am already living in hell, why should I fear retribution? All I am stating is that chanting vulgarities is no different from chanting scriptures. The main basic understanding that one should not bring about anger and confrontation when chanting when one is chanting whether one is from Hindu, Buddhist or Taoist path. I can be from the vulgar path but at least I am on a path. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
My belief is that chanting Gan Ni Nah Beh Chao Chi Bye should also lead to enlightenment as well as any other chants if that is possible.
Must be drunk at the time of posting.