关于初学佛从弟子规, 太上感应篇开始

• sinweiy

  24 Feb 11, 22:17

  tot u advocated not to "harbour" bad thoughts.

• WeeShun

  24 Feb 11, 22:21

  According to the upasika sutra, a person who seeks refuge in the triple gems and too seeks refuge in non buddhist teachers and scriptures, he losses his refuge body
  
  A person who had seek refuge in the Triple Gems honours and follows the Triple Gems solely.

• WeeShun

  24 Feb 11, 22:23

  tot u advocated not to "harbour" bad thoughts.
  
  What bad thoughts? Kindly point out ... as i said, I am always happy to apologise openly if i shall have such bad thoughts arise but you cannot.
  

• Weychin

  24 Feb 11, 22:31

  When practicing Confucianism, one becomes a sage

• Weychin

  24 Feb 11, 22:31

  When practising Taoism, one become a immortal

• Weychin

  24 Feb 11, 22:32

   When practising buddhism, one becomes a bodhisattva

• WeeShun

  24 Feb 11, 22:38

  Buddhists practises only Buddhism just as buddhist seek refuge in the Triple Gems taking the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha as our only true refuges. From basic salvation of Buddhas Pureland to the four fruits of arahantship, to the ten stages of bodhisattvahood and final awakening of Buddhahood. Nothing much got to do with Taoism, bible, quran, kongzi.
  
  Thus Buddhists should only rely and abide the Triple Gems as our only source of refuge.

• sinweiy

  24 Feb 11, 22:39

  Originally posted by WeeShun:

  
  What bad thoughts? Kindly point out ... as i said, I am always happy to apologise openly if i shall have such bad thoughts arise but you cannot.

  for Yi Guan Dao and De Jiao?

• WeeShun

  24 Feb 11, 22:40

  err .. what bad thoughts about them did i have?

• Weychin

  24 Feb 11, 22:43

  Words quoted by Jing Kung Fashi in the video link given by  zenist69 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0y_H613Mk

  you may fast forward 3.55 mins.

  
  

• WeeShun

  24 Feb 11, 22:48

  weychin. I said clearly, as a Buddhist, we seek refuge only in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha and no others.
  
  Not bibles, not kongzi, not Jesus, not God, not Mohd nor their teachings but only the Buddha and Dharma is our true source of refuge.

• realization

  24 Feb 11, 22:52

  Originally posted by Weychin:

  What does it mean by "真神" " ? To me a Buddhist, towards non Buddhist it means using a word with the highest of respect to convey Buddha Nature, the word used is "真神" " , not shang ti, not creator , literary translated to "true spirit" That the Buddha in his compassion, as a Bodhisattva to save sentient beings. The Buddha is the Buddha, God is God, Allah is Allah, what is common thread is the true spirit of compassion. Without compassion, the Buddha would not have turned the wheel of Dharma.

   

  Not comfortable with my translation, using the words 'True God' to depict what MCK termed "真神"?  OK, let's try it this way then...

  Translation of what MCK said: There is only one True Spirit.  In Buddhism, it manifests as Shakyamuni; in Christianity it manifests as Jesus; in Islam as Allah.  I'm absolutely convinced that in our cosmos, there is a True Spirit.  The saints/leaders of all religions are a manifestation of this True Spirit.  Therefore, Jesus is a manifestation of Shakyamuni, and Shakyamuni is a manifestation of Jesus and also a messenger of God.

   

  YOU say, "Buddha is the Buddha, God is God, Allah is Allah".

  But MCK is saying otherwise and he even claims that Buddha is a messenger of God 'shang di'.

  MCK:  释迦牟尼也是「耶稣的化身，上å¸�的使者。

  MCK:  Shakyamuni is a manifestation of Jesus, and a messenger of God (上å¸�).

   

  There is a further fudging of boundaries and confusion at 5:09 onwards.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKZNrG9hE8

  在�度， 耶稣就化身为释迦牟尼。 在中国， 耶稣就化身为孔�。

  In India, Jesus manifests as Shakyamuni.  In China, Jesus manifests as Confucius.

   

  What's the message I take away from him?  Anybody is a manifestation of anybody in the name of inter-faith harmony. 

  Demonstration of compassion should not equate with compromising truths. 

  We can just as easily demonstrate compassion - yet compromise nothing - by saying, "In all religions, we have the common goal of improving lives and teaching people exemplary behaviour."  And in fact, other Buddhist leaders say similar things when addressing inter-faith issues.

• sinweiy

  24 Feb 11, 23:13

  Originally posted by WeeShun:

  err .. what bad thoughts about them did i have?

  
  Amituofo~

• realization

  24 Feb 11, 23:36

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

   

  to me that's when talking in a "multi-religious enviroment". if at that enviroment, he said our's is the BEST, other's are fasle, then the people around of other faith will feel offended. but in Buddhist closed door, we have another meaning. see in the end of the conclusion, all is Negated in Emptiness 有无都没有.

   

  
  The issue here isn't inter-faith tolerance. It's about MCK culling truths, different from what Buddhists commonly understand.
  
  I feel it's not enough to say that at the stage of Emptiness, everything is negated 有无都没有. To say this would be to use Emptiness teachings to brush away whatever one cannot account for.
  
  Surely "有无都没有 at the stage of Emptiness" does not give us license to think, say or do anything as we so wish, even when they are not in accordance with the Dharma.
  
  I always thought Emptiness is not about negation but impermanence...

• Hun7qing77

  25 Feb 11, 00:39

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• WeeShun

  25 Feb 11, 01:41

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• sinweiy

  25 Feb 11, 09:32

  Originally posted by realization:

  
  The issue here isn't inter-faith tolerance. It's about MCK culling truths, different from what Buddhists commonly understand.

  sw: to me, it's understandable when targeting non-buddhists. the Buddhism truth is still concluded in the end.  i find that most masters who got in touch with the western/other culture, tend to be more open with inter-faith tolerance. Buddhist Masters like Master Hsuan Hua or HHDL. btw, u singaporean?

  
  I feel it's not enough to say that at the stage of Emptiness, everything is negated 有无都没有. To say this would be to use Emptiness teachings to brush away whatever one cannot account for.

  sw: when preaching about Emptiness, it's easy to be mistaken as Nothingness, but it's not nothingness. at least it was stated at the end in just a touch of an icing. not over emphasised.

  
  Surely "有无都没有 at the stage of Emptiness" does not give us license to think, say or do anything as we so wish, even when they are not in accordance with the Dharma.
  
  I always thought Emptiness is not about negation but impermanence...

   

  sw: yes. more profoundly, the "æ— " part is the Emptiness, the  "没有" part is the Emptiness of Emptiness 空空. it's not that it's wrong (i won't harbour any wrong thoughts) , more like the issue of imperfection in regards to the Four teachings(è—�通别圆). Buddha also took 12 years for beginners teachings and 20 years to Perfectly teach Prajna and or Emptiness.

  i find that most of MCK's teachings are directed to ordained personnel or older purelanders w/o family. hence i can't follow as i'm a householder, i can't drop my family, not that it's wrong, get what i mean.

  When Buddha talk about His past life as a Bodhisattva, and how He sacrifice His life to save beings, do u think u we must do so? no, as it's not that it's "wrong" but we are not yet that level of Bodhisattvahood.

   

  ps: i rather listen to Buddha, or experience and past well-realised masters, than some unknown buddhist youngsters. also �义��语.

  佛�世，以佛为师，佛入��，以�为师？佛答：「以戒为师。�凡佛弟�，�管在家出家，皆以戒为师。二�佛�世时，�佛安�，佛入��，�何为�？佛答：「�四念处安�。�乃心之安�，�身之安�。三��性比丘，如何治之？佛答：「默摈治之。�莫�他，管好自己，作好榜样，彼自生惭愧，端正己之三业。四�佛��，结集�典，一切�首当安何语，以�信未�众生？佛答：「当安如是我闻等�。

  however, if they really teach extreme evil stuff like harming others, suicide bombing, then buddhists can sound out, said Ven Jing Jie.

  /\

• zero thought

  25 Feb 11, 10:03

  Why is this topic still on until now?
  
  If can't accept, let it go.
  If can accept, use it.
  
  --The End.--

• Zenist69

  25 Feb 11, 11:42

  Originally posted by zero thought:

  Why is this topic still on until now?
  
  If can't accept, let it go.
  If can accept, use it.
  
  --The End.--

  Because it involves the Buddhism as a whole here in Singapore. MJK take up pretty huge chunk of singapore 'market'. And if this sect, is wrong in its fundamental view, and behavior, its negative effect and influnce on local Buddhism IS HUGE. Therefore, gotta address MJK problem ASAP and LOUD.

  Let me go back to the issue of Di Zi Gui.

  Pureland stress on upholding precepts, its a basic step. Now, passing off some non buddhism book as buddhism book, that is false speech. If the so call purelander from MJK sect cannot even uphold, abide the right speech precept, 这怎么说得过去?? So, very simple, stop this MO (modus operandi) of passing out non buddhism book to newbie, deceptively claim it a buddhism book. And this issue will be solve, at least for the di zi gui and gan yin pian part.

  Can I use more support here to rectify this problem instead? Weeshun and realization they are doing their part to point out the false view in MJK. 'cause the false view of MJK (e.g. almost every major religion, belief system, fundamentally is the same) is closely related to him introducing non buddhism book to the newbie. What about u? Wanna sweep everything under the carpet and pretend all is well?

   

• realization

  25 Feb 11, 11:55

  Originally posted by Zenist69:

  Because it involves the Buddhism as a whole here in Singapore. MJK take up pretty huge chunk of singapore 'market'. And if this sect, is wrong in its fundamental view, and behavior, its negative effect and influnce on local Buddhism IS HUGE. Therefore, gotta address MJK problem ASAP and LOUD.

  Let me go back to the issue of Di Zi Gui.

  Pureland stress on upholding precepts, its a basic step. Now, passing off some non buddhism book as buddhism book, that is false speech. If the so call purelander from MJK sect cannot even uphold, abide the right speech precept, 这怎么说得过去?? So, very simple, stop this MO (modus operandi) of passing out non buddhism book to newbie deceptively claim its buddhism book. And this issue will be solve, at least for the di zi gui and gan yin pian part.

  Can I use more support here to rectify this problem instead? Weeshun and realization they are doing their part to point out the false view in MJK sect. What about u? Wanna sweep everything under the carpet and pretend all is well?

  I didn't get the impression Zero Thought is trying to sweep anything under the carpet.  I think maybe just feeling a little frustrated that this has gone on for as long as it has... as I also was.

• Zenist69

  25 Feb 11, 12:06

  Originally posted by realization:

  I didn't get the impression Zero Thought is trying to sweep anything under the carpet.  I think maybe just feeling a little frustrated that this has gone on for as long as it has... as I also was.

  Someone gotta try to rectify the problem. Else this will carry on leading more Singaporean newbie to the false views of MJK sect.

  WeeShun and you are doing fine in debunking the false view of MJK. And me trying to keep up too. So, lets just play this out. And see whether we could rectify the problem.

• Zenist69

  25 Feb 11, 12:17

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

   

  ps: i rather listen to Buddha, or experience and past well-realised masters, than some unknown buddhist youngsters. also �义��语.

  佛�世，以佛为师，佛入��，以�为师？佛答：「以戒为师。�凡佛弟�，�管在家出家，皆以戒为师。二�佛�世时，�佛安�，佛入��，�何为�？佛答：「�四念处安�。�乃心之安�，�身之安�。三��性比丘，如何治之？佛答：「默摈治之。�莫�他，管好自己，作好榜样，彼自生惭愧，端正己之三业。四�佛��，结集�典，一切�首当安何语，以�信未�众生？佛答：「当安如是我闻等�。

  however, if they really teach extreme evil stuff like harming others, suicide bombing, then buddhists can sound out, said Ven Jing Jie.

  /\

  -- 欲学无上��，�得轻於�学。下下人有上上智，上上人有没�智。

                                                                                 ----六祖å�›ç»�，第一å“� 行由å“�

  -- If its wrong it is wrong. No need to wait until the talk involve teachings like suicide bombing then voice out. And also, by the time the teaching involve suicide bombing then we voice out, thats too late.

  The MJK supporters who insist in passing out non buddhism book to newbie, deceptively claim it to be a buddhism book, they should heed your advice 以戒为师. 'cause their action, thats false speech. Against one of the basic five precept of Buddhism.

   

• Zenist69

  25 Feb 11, 12:32

  Originally posted by Zenist69:

   

• Zenist69

  25 Feb 11, 13:14

  Originally posted by sinweiy

  :

   

  三��性比丘，如何治之？佛答：「默摈治之。�莫�他，管好自己，作好榜样，彼自生惭愧，端正己之三业。四�佛��，结集�典，一切�首当安何语，以�信未�众生？佛答：「当安如是我闻等�。

   

  -- There's a difference between a naughty bad bhikkhu and a bhikkhu who insist in propagating false view which is not base on the Right View from Buddhism. The bhikkhu who keep on spreading, propagating false view will affect the whole Buddhism community.

  Now, how do we deal with that?? Let the false view keep on snowballing?? Look the other way and keep quiet??? No. As concern Buddhist, if they are capable, and have the time and energy, they should voice out against the false view propagated by the prevailing bhikkhu.

  -- The Di Zi Gui and Gan Yin Pian, are both of them base on Buddhism book with 如是我闻 as start of the book? Or is it books which have 如是我闻 as start of the books? The answer is NO.

• sinweiy

  25 Feb 11, 13:24

  pls. u are the one holding wrong view and using wrong speech, don't twist it around.