Originally posted by sinweiy:pls. u are the one holding wrong view and using wrong speech, don't twist it around.
What is my false view and false speech here? MJK supporters passing out Di Zi Gui, deceptively claiming it to be Buddhism book, isn't that false speech? If its false speech, then please stop doing it. Why keep on twisting and turning throughout? Is this how a purelander should act?
Originally posted by Zenist69:-- 欲å¦æ— 上è�©æ��，ä¸�得轻於åˆ�å¦ã€‚下下人有上上智，上上人有没æ„�智。
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-- If its wrong it is wrong. No need to wait until the talk involve teachings like suicide bombing then voice out. And also, by the time the teaching involve suicide bombing then we voice out, thats too late.
The MJK supporters who insist in passing out non buddhism book to newbie, deceptively claim it to be a buddhism book, they should heed your advice 以戒为师. 'cause their action, thats false speech. Against one of the basic five precept of Buddhism.
what u talking and making false accusation. learning morality, how can become sucide bombing.. it's of opposite directions. did ur words go into anlysis?
Originally posted by Zenist69:What is my false view and false speech here? MJK supporters passing out Di Zi Gui, deceptively claiming it to be Buddhism book, isn't that false speech? If its false speech, then please stop doing it. Why keep on twisting and turning throughout? Is this how a purelander should act?
no u never read the reasoning posted, only stubbornly holding to the wrong views.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
what u talking and making false accusation. learning morality, how can become sucide bombing.. it's of opposite different. did ur words go into anlysis?
See? U wanna start another round of twisting and turning.
U said no need to voice it out against false teaching unless its extreme like teaching people to go on suicide bombing. My take is one dun wait until such extreme thing to happened. Just nip it in the bud when some false view had occured. Simple as that.
Propagating Confucianism, passing off book base on confucianism as buddhism book that is immoral! Its unethical! Its DISHONESTY!
Originally posted by Zenist69:-- There's a difference between a naughty bad bhikkhu and a bhikkhu who insist in propagating false view which is not base on the Right View from Buddhism. The bhikkhu who keep on spreading, propagating false view will affect the whole Buddhism community.
Now, how do we deal with that?? Let the false view keep on snowballing?? Look the other way and keep quiet??? No. As concern Buddhist, if they are capable, and have the time and energy, they should voice out against the false view propagated by the prevailing bhikkhu.
-- The Di Zi Gui and Gan Yin Pian, are both of them base on Buddhism book with 如是我闻 as start of the book? Or is it books which have 如是我闻 as start of the books? The answer is NO.
then u never follow what the Buddha teach. u not fit to be Buddhist.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
no u never read the reasoning posted, only stubbornly holding to the wrong views.
Do you agree that MJK passing off books base on confucianism as Buddhism books, thats being dishonest? Yes or No? Whats your take on this?
Originally posted by sinweiy:then u never follow what the Buddha teach.
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So let MJK camp keep on bluffing people, lying to people that Di Zi Gui is a buddhism book, that should be the way?? Are u saying that?
Originally posted by Zenist69:See? U wanna start another round of twisting and turning.
U said no need to voice it out against false teaching unless its extreme like teaching people to go on suicide bombing. My take is one dun wait until such extreme thing to happened. Just nip it in the bud when some false view had occured. Simple as that.
Propagating Confucianism, passing off book base on confucianism as buddhism book that is immoral! Its unethical! Its DISHONESTY!
u are the first to twist and turn. learning morality wouldn't lead to extreme.
Originally posted by Zenist69:So let MJK camp keep on bluffing people, lying to people that Di Zi Gui is a buddhism book, that should be the way?? Are u saying that?
Buddha is saying that. and i don't think it's wrong to begin with.
Originally posted by sinweiy:then u never follow what the Buddha teach. u not fit to be Buddhist.
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No, the one not fit to be a Buddhist is to willfully pass off book based on confucianism as Buddhism book to the newbie. Its outright dishonest! And u defend the MJK sect on this. U are saying false speech is okay! U are the one not fit to be buddhist and purelander.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
u are the first to twist and turn. learning morality wouldn't lead to extreme.
See? Again twisting and turning, dancing as usual from u. Nobody is against teaching morality!
The thing is, buddhist propagating non buddhism belief system to the newbie, lying to the newbie that the non buddhism belief system is in fact buddhism, thats immoral! Nobody talk about extreme act such as bombing. U start it. It has got nothing to do with our issue here.
Originally posted by Zenist69:No, the one not fit to be a Buddhist is to willfulling pass of book based on confucianism as Buddhism book to the newbie. Its outright dishonest. And u defend the MJK sect on this. U are saying false speech is okay! U are the one not fit to be buddhist and purelander.
u not follow Buddha's word.
pls listen to 净界法师主讲
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Track 5. then u know why...it's a very long term effect to the Buddhist world.
http://www.pureland.com.sg/avlibrary.html
u still new, don't be so çƒè¡€. and be polite in ur post, if u get annoying and bashing fashi, i'm going to shut the thread.
thank you.
Amituofo!
Originally posted by sinweiy:u not follow Buddha's word.
pls listen to 净界法师主讲
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Track 5. then u know why...it's a very long term effect to the Buddhist world.
http://www.pureland.com.sg/avlibrary.html
u still new, don't be so çƒè¡€. and be polite in ur post, if u get ignoring and bashing fashi, i'm going to shut the thread.
thank you.
Amituofo!
How do I politely point out MJK sect is being dishonest to pass out Di Zi Gui as Buddhism book? Let me try:
May I politely point out that the MJK sect is being dishonest to pass off Di Zi Gui as Buddhism book? Di Zi Gui is not a Buddhism book. Its a book based on Confucianism.
The sum total of excuses by the MJK sect here in this thread, they are just sidetrack and distraction from this main issue.
Thank you.
Amituofo
just listen to
净界法师主讲
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Track 5 (10min onward). then u know why...it's a very long term effect to the Buddhist world.
http://www.pureland.com.sg/avlibrary.html
if later got time listen to all è�©è�¨æˆ’ä¿®å¦æ³•è¦�.
thank you.
Amituofo!
Originally posted by sinweiy:just listen to
净界法师主讲
è�©è�¨æˆ’ä¿®å¦æ³•è¦� about Right Speech.
Track 5 (15min onward). then u know why...it's a very long term effect to the Buddhist world.
http://www.pureland.com.sg/avlibrary.html
if later got time listen to all è�©è�¨æˆ’ä¿®å¦æ³•è¦�.
thank you.
Amituofo!
Harlo. Track five only have 8 minutes plus.
Originally posted by sinweiy:just listen to
净界法师主讲
è�©è�¨æˆ’ä¿®å¦æ³•è¦� about Right Speech.
Track 5 (15min onward). then u know why...it's a very long term effect to the Buddhist world.
http://www.pureland.com.sg/avlibrary.html
if later got time listen to all è�©è�¨æˆ’ä¿®å¦æ³•è¦�.
thank you.
Amituofo!
Look, just go straight man. If u have anything to say, just say it. Dun come paste a audio link or video link and ask me to go listen or watch it. Go straight to the point wouldn u please.
Originally posted by Zenist69:Look, just go straight man. If u have anything to say, just say it. Dun come paste a audio link or video link and ask me to go listen or watch it. Go straight to the point wouldn u please.
as i say no use, need a Fashi to say more strength. others can also listen as well.
Originally posted by Zenist69:Harlo. Track five only have 8 minutes plus.
u didn't download completely, should have 49 min.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
as i say no use, need a Fashi to say more strength. others can also listen as well.
Here is the link to the Dharma talk transcript:
http://wenku.baidu.com/view/0dd2c929647d27284b73515c.html
Which are the pages contain stuff which u wanna say?
Originally posted by sinweiy:
Buddha is saying that. and i don't think it's wrong to begin with.
No. That is not true. He's talking about individual lousy bhikkhu. How we should deal with the individual lousy bhikkhu. Its not on the issue of bhikkhu propagating false view.
Facing the issue of bhikkhu propagating, passing off non buddhism teaching as buddhism teachings, I dun think he would want us to keep quiet. Its against the spirit of Buddhism not to speak up against the false view when seeing the false view snowballing in the buddhism community.
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Originally posted by realization:
Not comfortable with my translation, using the words 'True God' to depict what MCK termed "真神"? OK, let's try it this way then...
Translation of what MCK said: There is only one True Spirit. In Buddhism, it manifests as Shakyamuni; in Christianity it manifests as Jesus; in Islam as Allah. I'm absolutely convinced that in our cosmos, there is a True Spirit. The saints/leaders of all religions are a manifestation of this True Spirit. Therefore, Jesus is a manifestation of Shakyamuni, and Shakyamuni is a manifestation of Jesus and also a messenger of God.
YOU say, "Buddha is the Buddha, God is God, Allah is Allah".
But MCK is saying otherwise and he even claims that Buddha is a messenger of God 'shang di'.
MCK: 释迦牟尼也是「耶稣的化身，上�的使者。
MCK: Shakyamuni is a manifestation of Jesus, and a messenger of God (上�).
There is a further fudging of boundaries and confusion at 5:09 onwards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKZNrG9hE8
在å�°åº¦ï¼Œ 耶稣就化身为释迦牟尼。 在ä¸å›½ï¼Œ 耶稣就化身为å”å�。
In India, Jesus manifests as Shakyamuni. In China, Jesus manifests as Confucius.
What's the message I take away from him? Anybody is a manifestation of anybody in the name of inter-faith harmony.
Demonstration of compassion should not equate with compromising truths.
We can just as easily demonstrate compassion - yet compromise nothing - by saying, "In all religions, we have the common goal of improving lives and teaching people exemplary behaviour." And in fact, other Buddhist leaders say similar things when addressing inter-faith issues.
Hi realization, thanks for redirecting to the video posting again, I've gone over the part again. If you would be kind again to go through section 4.30 again, you would have realized that all are manifestations of the Bodhisattva(of Compassion), as in this case, in context of Christians going in front the statue of the Buddha, would'nt you respect the Buddha all the same? To the non Buddhist, high reference is God, for Jing Kung Fashi it is the MahaBodhisattva of Compassion.
Too often, one of the problem with believers of any faith is pride, it is pride let us look us at others with disdain, and we tend to put labels and lump the two together. For example, there are Muslim terrorists, sonow (all)Muslims are now terrorists, or pushy pastors who spread falsehoods against Buddhism are bigots and dishonorable lowlifes, so now (all) Christians are bigots and lowlifes right? Why the all in brackets, because even we don't say so, sometimes just talking or thinking about them raises negative emotions, habitual clinging. That's why there is so much fiery exchanges in religious or racial issues, anything to do with identity. Taunting and flamings of this kind are not hard to find. How to achieve Enlightenment if there still a clinging to pride.
The strength of Reverend is absence of pride or ego, that why he can do the things he do.