淨空法師：如何應對不如法的人？

sort of understand now already what Buddha and old master meant to be silience 默摈, as totally no use to oppose. can just let it tried down by itself. and we just do our Buddhist part.

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Sinwei said " those who pray to Da puo gong or Guan gong etc, may also filled up as Daoist/Buddhists as Guan Yin is also involve. nowaday due to globalisation and more educated people, i do see more Buddhists are better educated with the knowledge of TRUE Buddhism. but sometimes the knowledge of cause and effect or reincarnation does deter people away from Buddhism. so i prefer the increase in such number than the number of those that are folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists. i don't mind the decline in folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists. better still."



And also bear such bad wishes for those beliefs which you deem unfit? Clearly, u did not only respect and stay away. You actually had a aspiration and wish for them to decline, this is the kind of Buddhism you practise? we need to examine the "compassion" you have been long preaching on other religions.

double standard ?

Originally posted by WeeShun:

Sinwei said " those who pray to Da puo gong or Guan gong etc, may also filled up as Daoist/Buddhists as Guan Yin is also involve. nowaday due to globalisation and more educated people, i do see more Buddhists are better educated with the knowledge of TRUE Buddhism. but sometimes the knowledge of cause and effect or reincarnation does deter people away from Buddhism. so i prefer the increase in such number than the number of those that are folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists. i don't mind the decline in folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists. better still."



And also bear such bad wishes for those beliefs which you deem unfit? Clearly, u did not only respect and stay away. You actually had a aspiration and wish for them to decline, this is the kind of Buddhism you practise? we need to examine the "compassion" you have been long preaching on other religions.

double standard ?

weychin, delcine or not, its up to nature to take place. Should a Buddhist even harbour such evilish thoughs of "this kind of folk religion decline, BETTER STILL"

Our responsibility to to make the Dharma known not harbour thoughts nor rejoice for any forms of beliefs or religions to decline.

those thoughts of sinweiy are considered Noble thoughts?

Namo amituofo

Originally posted by WeeShun:

And also bear such bad wishes for those beliefs which you deem unfit? Clearly, u did not only respect and stay away. You actually had a aspiration and wish for them to decline, this is the kind of Buddhism you practise? we need to examine the "compassion" you have been long preaching on other religions.

double standard ?

Should a Buddhist even harbour such evilish thoughs of "this kind of folk religion decline, BETTER STILL"

...not harbour thoughts nor rejoice for any forms of beliefs or religions to decline.

thanks for changing/twisting the word "folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists" to mean "folk religion" of others.

if a group of apples belong to me, and i wish to decrease those that are bad and increase those that are good, is different from wishing to decrease those bad apples that belong to others. it's same as wishing to get rid of those bad habits within me.

Folk religions needs no respect ?? No matter whose apples are that ..

such a though should never arise, all u need to do is spread the Buddha's teachings to them and let them experience the dharma themselves.

I would have never said "BETTER STILL" for any forms of beliefs, religions to decline, dare not even harbour such a thought.

nobody can twist what you said.

Ohh  ... i see wrongly, folk buddhist and folk religions ... so we need to respect folk religions and not folk buddhist beliefs now???

what are you talking? Something like Ven jingkong's unique teaching of "we must learn non buddhist sutras then can learn buddhist sutras?"

Or recite bible and quran instead of Amituofo to rebirth in Pureland?

wondering if u are a singaporean that grow up here or are u an immigrant from Taiwan?

as i also don't get from the replies, perhaps u didn't got my meaning of "folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists"? as if u don't advocate the declined of such pray pray "superstitious" buddhists, then u mean u wish to see more of such "buddhists" who do not understand the true meaning of Buddhism?

As a Buddhist, I have no wish to see the decline or rise in any forms of beliefs or religions. You should not even harbour such thoughts in the first place, where is the compassion and tolerance you have been talking about then?

Didnt you on one hand say that Dizigui is good moral teachings and see all other religious founders as manifestations of Guan Yin Bodhisattva? But how come you see these "pray pray Buddhists" as wrong while those engage in christianity, muslims are deem right then? Its contradicitng to yourself.

My job as a Buddhist is to continue to ensure I spread the Buddha's Dharma and let the dharma touch lives and here spefically make it clear, only the Buddha's teachings not Laozi, Jesus or Mohd Teachings.

Never habour nor rejoice for any forms of beliefs to decline.

�如法的人也是人.. haha..

They are just temporarily deluded sentient beings who have the same nature as Buddha and has the potential of fully-enlightenment. Regardless of race, religion or belief, we are all the same. If we can let go of our 分別 , 執著, our heart will be more opened and less cloudly. The world will perhaps be less chaotic and be more peaceful. No discrimination. No hate. No war.

Isis, it may deem right that there are similarities btw human and religions, however to cause our own buddhist teachings to be mixed up by non buddhist teachings, this is no longer a problem of fen bie and zhi zhuo.

As a Buddhist, we rely only on the Buddha and his teachings solely as our refuge and guide.

Originally posted by WeeShun:

Isis, it may deem right that there are similarities btw human and religions, however to cause our own buddhist teachings to be mixed up by non buddhist teachings, this is no longer a problem of fen bie and zhi zhuo.

As a Buddhist, we rely only on the Buddha and his teachings solely as our refuge and guide.

I agreed with rely on the teaching of Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha.

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 it is not my intention as i am just replying to thread starter lah.

glad that you know what is Buddhism and what is not Buddhism is not a matter of 分別 , 執著.

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Originally posted by WeeShun:

As a Buddhist, I have no wish to see the decline or rise in any forms of beliefs or religions. You should not even harbour such thoughts in the first place, where is the compassion and tolerance you have been talking about then?

Didnt you on one hand say that Dizigui is good moral teachings and see all other religious founders as manifestations of Guan Yin Bodhisattva? But how come you see these "pray pray Buddhists" as wrong while those engage in christianity, muslims are deem right then? Its contradicitng to yourself.

My job as a Buddhist is to continue to ensure I spread the Buddha's Dharma and let the dharma touch lives and here spefically make it clear, only the Buddha's teachings not Laozi, Jesus or Mohd Teachings.

Never habour nor rejoice for any forms of beliefs to decline.

don't drag other religions into our "family" matter. their decline is still their decline at the moment or of another issue altogether.

It's also contradicting to say that on one hand u wish to ensure one spread the Buddha's Dharma correctly, while on the other hand one wish to see the decline in "MCK sect".

nay, to make it clearer, i still wish that MORE Buddhists can understand the true meaning of Buddhism and NOT be superstitious in praying for lottery winning etc.

ps: wondering if u are a singaporean that grow up here or are u an immigrant from Taiwan? as ur chinese and typing speed of chinese seem to be better than the average singaporean.

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Hi sinweiy, I have never draged another religion into a "buddhist family" matter as you have proclaimed.

I have always wanted to spread the Buddha Dharma correctly but now you accuse me of wanting the "MCK sect" to decline, please kindly cut and paste from my postings if this is true, otherwise I would demand a public apology, not to grow my ego but the my integrity in participation of discussions here.

I have never said I wanted "MCK sect" to decline nor any other religions to decline, this was never my concern. My concern has always been the decline of Buddhism is due to other evangelistic religions and impure "buddhist" teachings like Ven Jing Kong.  (Note: I do not agree  Jesus, Mohd, Laozi, Kongzi etc etc to be manifestations of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas)

Also note, no matter which form of beliefs, you should never harbour thoughts for them to decline, this is basic bodhi aspiration and respect, if you can respect and even consider bibical, taoist, quranic and confucianist teachings as part of Buddhism, why can't you accept these group of people to be some outcasted?

By wishing to see them decline, will they come towards and embrace the teachings of the Buddha?

When I say respect here, I respect all religions and their beliefs, even for Ven Jingkong's un-buddhistic teachings which I disagree, I harbour no wish for it to decline, all i need to do is to reason out why his teachings are not inline with Buddhism and Pureland teachings and list out the proper Buddhist and Pureland teachings.

Sinweiy, do you rely on the Bible and Quran to gain rebirth in Amituofo's Pureland? If so, did Buddha or any of our Pureland masters taught so?

Am i deem as very narrow minded for only printing Buddhist Sutras instead of all religious scriptures?

Namo Amituofo.
Goh

Originally posted by WeeShun:

Hi sinweiy, I have never draged another religion into a "buddhist family" matter as you have proclaimed.

sw: yes u did when u accuse i want to see the decline of other religions, which i didn't. u mistoken the meaning of pray-pray-superstitious buddhists.

I have always wanted to spread the Buddha Dharma correctly but now you accuse me of wanting the "MCK sect" to decline, please kindly cut and paste from my postings if this is true, otherwise I would demand a public apology, not to grow my ego but the my integrity in participation of discussions here.

 

sw: then pls stop "bashing" his way of teaching, as it's as good as wishing his followers to deter from him.

I have never said I wanted "MCK sect" to decline nor any other religions to decline, this was never my concern. My concern has always been the decline of Buddhism is due to other evangelistic religions and impure "buddhist" teachings like Ven Jing Kong.  (Note: I do not agree  Jesus, Mohd, Laozi, Kongzi etc etc to be manifestations of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas)

 

sw: it's ur disagreement, but i disagree it's impure.

Also note, no matter which form of beliefs, you should never harbour thoughts for them to decline, this is basic bodhi aspiration and respect, if you can respect and even consider bibical, taoist, quranic and confucianist teachings as part of Buddhism, why can't you accept these group of people to be some outcasted?

By wishing to see them decline, will they come towards and embrace the teachings of the Buddha?

sw: as mentioned, no one is wishing they decline or increase.

 

When I say respect here, I respect all religions and their beliefs, even for Ven Jingkong's un-buddhistic teachings which I disagree, I harbour no wish for it to decline, all i need to do is to reason out why his teachings are not inline with Buddhism and Pureland teachings and list out the proper Buddhist and Pureland teachings.

Sinweiy, do you rely on the Bible and Quran to gain rebirth in Amituofo's Pureland? If so, did Buddha or any of our Pureland masters taught so?

 

sw: to me, i think some teachings are too high to understand, see Lotus Sutra Expedient Devices posted, hence the Buddha waited for them to leave before He can speak.

 

Am i deem as very narrow minded for only printing Buddhist Sutras instead of all religious scriptures?

sw: no, just continue as it's a great merit.

Namo Amituofo.
Goh

 a bit turning here and there, but anyway, see context.

sinweiy. you did say "Better still, they decline" Didn't you? I didnt say that ... Is it right for you to harbour thoughts to see them decline? if they decline means they will come embrace Buddhism? U did not answer me at all.

Since you found no evidence of me saying "MCK sect" to decline, please apologise for your own speech and if you do not, its ok, cos its your integrity now not mine.

Please also do not consider giving Buddhist views as bashing, if Ven Jingkong can make a public talk, he should be able to be scrutinized by the hearers. Morever, I have been giving my views and backing up with Buddhist "evidences", how can this be bashing?

So do you mean that as long Buddhism teachings are too high for you then resort to non buddhist teachings such as bible, quran also?  Are you also saying that Buddhism have no elementary fundamental teachings which only non buddhist scriptures has?

Can you as a fellow purelander tell me since when did the Buddha or pureland grandmasters advocate reliance on Quran and bible to gain rebirth in Pureland?

Sinweiy, do you rely on the Bible and Quran to gain rebirth in Amituofo's Pureland? If so, did Buddha or any of our Pureland masters taught so?

don't jump away from this question. thank you

Originally posted by WeeShun:

sinweiy. you did say "Better still, they decline" Didn't you? I didnt say that ... Is it right for you to harbour thoughts to see them decline? if they decline means they will come embrace Buddhism? U did not answer me at all.

 

sw: u miss out the folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists in front of the better still. " i don't mind the decline in folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists. better still."
what "They" are u talking about? ok grammer issue.

Since you found no evidence of me saying "MCK sect" to decline, please apologise for your own speech and if you do not, its ok, cos its your integrity now not mine.

sw: evidences are all over the place when u Disagree with MCK.

Please also do not consider giving Buddhist views as bashing, if Ven Jingkong can make a public talk, he should be able to be scrutinized by the hearers. Morever, I have been giving my views and backing up with Buddhist "evidences", how can this be bashing?

sw: ok, then i use "disagreeing".

So do you mean that as long Buddhism teachings are too high for you then resort to non buddhist teachings such as bible, quran also? 

sw: it's just mistaking/mixed up of MCK is directing to Christian and directing to Muslim and directing to Buddhist. that i'm sorry.

Are you also saying that Buddhism have no elementary fundamental teachings which only non buddhist scriptures has?

sw: like mentioned, moral is not belong to who's.

no one is advocating Buddhist to learn them all right to every word, every stanza and every meaning.


Can you as a fellow purelander tell me since when did the Buddha or pureland grandmasters advocate reliance on Quran and bible to gain rebirth in Pureland?

sw: to u i say no, grandmasters does not advocate reliance on Quran and bible to gain rebirth in Pureland.

 

So do you mean that when you harbour thoughts for  folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists is right? My question has been repeating, it it right for you to even harbour and rejoice for these group of people to decline? 

As a sound Buddhist, what is it so I cannot disagree with Ven JingKong? Do you mean whatever he say should not be deem for public scrutinity and should wholly be accepted and is should not be doubt and pointed out even it is unbuddhistic ?  Here I am specifically asking you to apologise not for saying me aganist the teachings of Venerable Jing Kong, I am asking your apology for saying that "MCK sect Decline" which i never did, all I did was giving comments n views from Buddhist point of view.

Yes, disagreeing. Why can't Buddhists disagree??


sw: it's just mistaking/mixed up of MCK is directing to Christian and directing to Muslim and directing to Buddhist. that i'm sorry.

(I don't understand what you are saying, kindly repeat in another manner, thank you)

Morals belongs to human, so as a Buddhist, we learn moral in the Buddhist way as taught by the Buddha. The Christians learn it the bibical way and so on ... what's the problem here of buddhist sticking to what the Buddha has laid for us as that we have to stoop low to seek teachings which the Buddha has never taught and further falsely claiming it to be the fundamentals of Buddhism. Does what the Buddha taught is as inperfect in this "elementry level" that we have to seek non buddhist scriptures to fill up the imperfectness of the Buddha's teaching?

To me you say no ? then to who you will say Yes ? and when u say yes, may i know which of the Buddha's pureland sutras and which pureland grandmasters taught that bible n quran can gain rebirth in Pureland? please reconcile your beliefs with Buddha's and our pureland masters teaching

Straight to the point !  Who and Where?

Originally posted by WeeShun:

So do you mean that when you harbour thoughts for  folk-believe-pray-pray buddhists is right? My question has been repeating, it it right for you to even harbour and rejoice for these group of people to decline? 

sw: confusing. to make it clearer, i still wish that MORE Buddhists can understand the true meaning of Buddhism and NOT be superstitious in praying for lottery winning etc.

As a sound Buddhist, what is it so I cannot disagree with Ven JingKong? Do you mean whatever he say should not be deem for public scrutinity and should wholly be accepted and is should not be doubt and pointed out even it is unbuddhistic ? 

sw: unbuddhistic is u think. agree or not is up to all buddhists.

HHDL also "think" that some of Buddha's teaching can be change IF it does not suit this time and age. like some of the precepts regarding money.

Here I am specifically asking you to apologise not for saying me aganist the teachings of Venerable Jing Kong, I am asking your apology for saying that "MCK sect Decline" which i never did, all I did was giving comments n views from Buddhist point of view.

sw: because the way u put it does look like u are.  ok. Sorry. this attitude is good. i haven't wanted u to apology for saying i wanted the decline of other religion.

Yes, disagreeing. Why can't Buddhists disagree??

sw: can, disagree is one thing, puting it the way like u did is ignoring. u may not feel it, but most of us do.

 

(I don't understand what you are saying, kindly repeat in another manner, thank you)

Morals belongs to human, so as a Buddhist, we learn moral in the Buddhist way as taught by the Buddha. The Christians learn it the bibical way and so on ... what's the problem here of buddhist sticking to what the Buddha has laid for us as that we have to stoop low to seek teachings which the Buddha has never taught and further falsely claiming it to be the fundamentals of Buddhism. Does what the Buddha taught is as inperfect in this "elementry level" that we have to seek non buddhist scriptures to fill up the imperfectness of the Buddha's teaching?

sw: i see that what is 'Right' is right for buddhism, not who's who.

To me you say no ? then to who you will say Yes ? and when u say yes, may i know which of the Buddha's pureland sutras and which pureland grandmasters taught that bible n quran can gain rebirth in Pureland? please reconcile your beliefs with Buddha's and our pureland masters teaching

Straight to the point !  Who and Where?

sw: in buddhism, there's no striaght to the point.  i "believe" 法无定法.