sinweiy,
You are not answering my question. Did you say those folk buddhist decline BETTER STILL? DID YOU ?
Is it right for you to harbour thoughts or rejoice for these group of people to decline ? Our responsibility as Buddhist is to harbour bad thoughts and rejoice for people's decline or to spread the Buddha's teachings to them?
Yes, I think its unbuddhistic and I cannot represent all Buddhist, this is the perfect reason why we are here discussing and to engage in a healthy discussion, we should all support our views with proper Buddhist teachings. If you think it is Buddhistic for Buddhists to believe in God, Bible, Quran etc etc etc etc .. support it with Buddhist teachings. I welcome a healthy exchange. So far, my discussions have always distanced away from personal attacks and self assumptions and backing up my views with proper buddhist scriptures and I look forward to this kind of healthy exchnage with you as well.
Precepts problem, you can open another topic and we talk about that.
Here i also ask you, do you mean that Buddha's teachings is no longer suitable for this time and age that we have to resort to relying on bible,qurans, diziguis, tao teh ching, God, Allah, Jesus, Mary etc etc ??
May I also know what basic tenets of Buddhism ought to be changed to fit into this current world of 2011? Such as importing teachings and God from other religion into Buddhism to replace what Shakyamuni Buddha has taught? Also importing "new methods" to gain rebirth to Amituofo's Pureland because whatever Buddha and our Pureland Masters taught no longer suit this era??
Becos "put it the way i like?" clearly, this is your assumption. Got it? Can your mistake in assuming me happen exactly to what you assume your personal understanding of Dharma? By the way, I accept your apology and I am happy that you are a responsible person for your speech. I too can apologise for saying that I mistook your other religions but the main core again, is all forms of beliefs and religions.. refer to my past posts.
I don't know and don't want to judge what is wrong for Buddhism, as a Buddhist. I know the BUDDHA's TEACHINGS is defintely right for Buddhists. Take faith, practise and share it. simple enough.
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come out again ?
weeshun, buddhist teachings is not on speculating or debating. you need to search the truth yourself ie go inward and meditate.
i am not debating nor speculating .. but then if you think Buddhism totally "just search and dun need talk" your posting here should not even have appeared right?
we have to view exchange of views and comments as a healthy progress towards our understanding of the dharma, as for "practise" wise, its up to personal, nobody can prove himself or herself. Only we ourselves know, are we living for the dharma or for ego.
Originally posted by WeeShun:sinweiy,
You are not answering my question. Did you say those folk buddhist decline BETTER STILL? DID YOU ?
Is it right for you to harbour thoughts or rejoice for these group of people to decline ? Our responsibility as Buddhist is to harbour bad thoughts and rejoice for people's decline or to spread the Buddha's teachings to them?
sw: huh, u still never got it? sigh....
the "decline" mean to wish that MORE Buddhists can understand the true meaning of Buddhism and NOT be superstitious in praying for lottery winning etc. this i'm happy to see the decline of such superstitious Buddhists. don't twist and add meaning by keep qouting the same word over and over again. pretty annoying.
Here i also ask you, do you mean that Buddha's teachings is no longer suitable for this time and age that we have to resort to relying on bible,qurans, diziguis, tao teh ching, God, Allah, Jesus, Mary etc etc ??sw: no one is saying so Altogether.
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come out again ?sw: u have issue with Heart Sutra also? yes, though we say change, but the core principle never change. though i say æ³•æ— å®šæ³•, but it also mean depending on certain angle/situations.
you are Happy to see the decline of superstitious Buddhists ! ! got it? I will never be happy to see the decline of any forms of religions or beliefs ~ I will not even be happy to see the decline of christianity and will not rejoice, I should not even harbour such rejoiceful thoughts for Ven Jingkong's followers to decline. As i have repeated, our responsibility is to bring the Dharma to these non-buddhists or so called superstitious buddhists as you have mentioned, we bring them the dharma not because we wish to see them decline, we bring to them soley with the right thought of them benefiting from the teachings of Buddha.
Also since you did not agree with no one is saying all so together. So how much is then considered "not so all" ??
I have no problem with the heart sutra, however the heart sutra does not expounds God is Buddha but not God and not Buddha and so on ...
Emptiness and form as expressed in the heart sutra is built upon the ideas of "Prajna-Shunyata" which has nothing got to do with God, bible etc .
Originally posted by WeeShun:you are Happy to see the decline of superstitious Buddhists ! ! got it? I will never be happy to see the decline of any forms of religions or beliefs ~ I will not even be happy to see the decline of christianity and will not rejoice, I should not even harbour such rejoiceful thoughts for Ven Jingkong's followers to decline. As i have repeated, our responsibility is to bring the Dharma to these non-buddhists or so called superstitious buddhists as you have mentioned, we bring them the dharma not because we wish to see them decline, we bring to them soley with the right thought of them benefiting from the teachings of Buddha.
sw: it's same to what i mean, to increase their knowledge.
to me it's like wishing the "decline" of my three poisons; bad habits. i rejoice to this. there's nothing wrong with this.
Also since you did not agree with no one is saying all so together. So how much is then considered "not so all" ??sw: for the sake of saying, to the Theravada, "how much" did Mahayana changed? not countable.
I have no problem with the heart sutra, however the heart sutra does not expounds God is Buddha but not God and not Buddha and so on ...
Emptiness and form as expressed in the heart sutra is built upon the ideas of "Prajna-Shunyata" which has nothing got to do with God, bible etc .sw: neither did i said it was.
So now do u still harbour thoughts for folk buddhists and folks religions to decline?
or do you now have aspirational thoughts that you will bring proper Buddha's teachings to them ?
Remember again, wishing someone to fail his exam does not equate to you wanting him to study harder. As a good friend and good teacher, we should only bear thoughts of wanting the student to excel. It's not the same as you said.
Theravada and Mahayan got its own set of arguments, however it is within the boundry of Buddhism, but when bible and god, allah, bible, quran comes into the picture, its outside the topic of Buddhism. The basic tenets of Buddhism is shared across all Buddhist traditions and "Yanas" .
Thank you for clarifying that God is not emptiness. So lets stop the koan and get on a proper and healthy discussion, afterall this is not a zen-realisation session.
Originally posted by WeeShun:So now do u still harbour thoughts for folk buddhists and folks religions to decline?
sw: "folk buddhists and folks religions" is a confusing word to me. as u are the one keep saying it. i where got say folks religions? i not sure wat u mean. really is chicken duck talking. answer already(refer back). keep asking..pienz....ok forget it.
or do you now have aspirational thoughts that you will bring proper Buddha's teachings to them ?
sw: all along, it was my idea, dun make it became ur idea.
sw: "folk buddhists and folks religions" is a confusing word to me. as u are the one keep saying it. i where got say folks religions? i not sure wat u mean. really is chicken duck talking. answer already(refer back). keep asking..pienz....ok forget it.
sw: all along, it was my idea, dun make it became ur idea.
I said no matter its folk religions or folk buddhists, inside or outside buddhism, we should not harbour thought for them to decline and also not further rejoice.
I didn't know it was your idea since you typed, those kind of supertitous buddhists decline, BETTER STILL" and you ended there and we should not bear thoughts for ANYONE to decline. Bad and evil thoughts.