Thanks for the reminder :)
Good Sutta, I definitely have heavy shackles in my heart, I don't quite get what is these three refer to tho, craving for (1)sensual pleasures,(2) body ,(3) form what is the difference between craving for body and craving for form
the body "contact" with form, experience sensual pleasures.
sort of a noun, verb, adject, or object, subject thingy. :)
eg, boy like girl.
boy is the body.
girl is the form.
like is the sensual pleasures.
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Originally posted by jinlin:Good Sutta, I definitely have heavy shackles in my heart, I don't quite get what is these three refer to tho, craving for (1)sensual pleasures,(2) body ,(3) form what is the difference between craving for body and craving for form
When the Buddha talks about 'body', he is not talking about a tangible object with shape and form as we think of it. This idea of a body is totally delusional and not to be found in our direct experience. This construct of a body is what creates the sense of separation and alienation from the world at large. It creates a division of an 'inner' and an 'outer'. When we investigate our direct experience, we only find disconnected, spontaneously arising and ceasing touch sensations and visual experiences arising through dependent origination that we, through ignorance, link them up into one solid image/construct of what we feel as 'our body'. We should strip ourselves of such erroneous concepts, investigate our naked experience and challenge this construct, by deconstructing body into its constituent sensations. This is part of the purpose of practicing vipassana or insight meditation.
Originally posted by jinlin:Good Sutta, I definitely have heavy shackles in my heart, I don't quite get what is these three refer to tho, craving for (1)sensual pleasures,(2) body ,(3) form what is the difference between craving for body and craving for form
Craving for Form here could mean the craving to be reborn into the Form realm of the ‘Gods’ which consisted of up to 22 levels. Above that is the Formless Realm and below the Form Realm is the Kamadhatu which is the ‘six realms’ in which one of them is the human plane that we are now in.
Thanks for the replies, so in my case, overindulging with movies for example.
form: I crave nice images
sensation: i crave excitement
body: it's more like an avoidance mechanism, there is other task that I am supposed to do which I don't like and this aversion cause discomfort in the body which I am suppressing instead of investigating
i was thinking the desire, form, formless realms sort of showed the stages of one's life. at younger age, we are more indulge in desire, food, fun etc. and at a medium age, people like to travel, go see some nice mountain, sea, beautiful things. these are more on form. then at older age, it's more on relaxing, no so much on desire or form. :)
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for a while there i thought this was under politics.think in old age ,folks like a relaxing enviroment in quiet scenic areas with blue clouds and white clouds and mountains.i dun think a fish market enviroment is relaxing.
Dhammapada: Appam�davagga
Chapter 2 — Verses 21 to 32
2. Diligence
21
Diligence is the path to the Deathless,
And negligence the pathway to death.
They perish not, those who are diligent;
The negligent are like unto the dead.
22
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The wise, recognising the special quality of diligence, rejoice in it, delighting in the realm of morally outstanding people (ariyans). They apply themselves constantly and unwaveringly. The steadfast reach Nibbana, ultimate safety.
24
People who are
energetic,
attentive,
pure in conduct,
careful in conduct,
restrained,
of right livelihood,
diligent,
their glory grows.
25
The wise by means of
energy,
diligence,
sense restraint,
self-taming,
make an island which no flood can destroy.
26
They’re given to slackness, the dull and inane;
The wise foster diligence, their paramount gain.
27
Don’t be given to negligence;
Turn aside from sensual treats.
The diligent one who meditates
Gets joy that’s abundantly sweet.
28
With negligence scattered by diligent power,
The sage ascends great wisdom’s tower.
On the sorrowing masses he looks, free of woe,
As if from a mountain on groundlings below.
29
Heedful amongst the oblivious,
Awake in the land of the sleeping,
The wise man proceeds
Like a galloping steed:
Passing faltering jades,
Leaves them standing.
30
Sakka, through heedful behaviour,
Was crowned as the sovereign deva.
Thus, heedfulness wins acclamation,
And slackness receives deprecation.
31
The monk who in diligence finds his delight,
Looking at negligence with fearful dislike,
Leaping ahead, like a flaming fireball,
Erases his fetters, the great and the small.
32
The monk who in diligence finds his delight,
Looking at negligence with fearful dislike,
Of falling away, he has no possibility;
He’s brought himself into Nibbana’s vicinity.