Hi,
I need some help with the paying attention to sensations practice.
I try to do it but it seems I am doing it wrong and I get confused.
I have been a member of liberation unleashed
and have passed through the so called gateless gate
so, I know what you are talking about when you say no self and impermanence.
But, the truth is that I am still not sure if passing through the gate was just an intellectual thing for me or If I have really seen it.
I have read your blog AEN and have read about the seven stages of enlightenment,
read daniel ingrams core teachings of buddha
and am trying to start with the attention to sensations.
So, I would love some help with this.
I found this forum through reading the moderator's (awakening to reality) posts in the liberation unleashed forum in facebook and really liked what he has to say and would love it if he could help me out.
Hi, welcome!
What you must familiarize with yourself is the pure sense of existence, presence, knowingness. This luminosity has never been lost - it is called primordial awareness, yet it is apparently obscured due to our constant distractions and discursive thinking. When cluttered with thoughts, we will not be direct, we do not touch something directly without intermediary. It is touching the luminous essence, the presence, in its entirety, in a non-conceptual and direct manner.
When you directly realize your luminous essence, there is no more doubt at all, only utter certainty.
Through Self-Inquiry, we can realize this, but only in the thought realm. That pure sense of Existence, Presence, is only experienced in the subtlest mind realm as a pure thoughtless beingness (which then later becomes reified as a background Witness). But if you are practicing Vipassana, you are simply experiencing and opening up to the clarity of all senses (instead of skewing to a 'pure realm' - in fact we will come to realize later that everything is equal purity in suchness). For there to be effortless non-dual presence/sensation there needs to arise non-dual insight in complements to your practice. But in either self-inquiry or vipassana, still, this "immediate, pure, bare, direct" mode of perceiving the pure clarity or luminosity of "existence" - be it as the I AM (the pure sense of thoughtless beingness/existence) or as a pure sensation or a pure sight or a pure sound.
When what I call insight into non-dual and later anatta arises, every sensation has this same taste and intensity.
In terms of practical advise on Vipassana (if that is what you are practicing), do refer to http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/419870?page=1
and http://methodsofawakening.blogspot.com/2012/05/methods-of-awakening-attentiveness.html
Happy journey!
You must come to realize this through direct experience:
There is knowingness, a luminous clarity, bright and radiance. This vividness presence and clarity is more real then the real but was obscure by the veil of thought. This is the ISness Presence that appears mystical and mysterious, ungraspable and hidden. This is the luminosity aspect of our Buddha's nature. However the ungraspableness nature of our own essence is not an attribute peculiar only to pure awareness; there is no monopoly at all. In light of prajna wisdom, all phenomenon existence exhibits this ungraspable nature --emptiness nature of reality.
~ Thusness (2005)
(12:28 AM) Transfer of "bell.wav" is complete.
(12:31 AM) AEN: i posted the URL on 28 June 2006 • 09:55 PM
(12:31 AM) John: ic
(12:31 AM) AEN: u setting it as ur ringtone or something? :P
(12:32 AM) John: nope i want to play it repeatedly. :)
(12:32 AM) AEN: when
(12:32 AM) AEN: for wat
(12:32 AM) John: it syncs with me. :)
(12:32 AM) AEN: oic..
(12:43 AM) John: thanks. :)
(12:43 AM) AEN: last time i also used to replay bell sound.. download from some website :P
(12:45 AM) John: u like the sound?
(12:46 AM) AEN: ya
(12:46 AM) John: can u feel that it is ur entire being?
(12:46 AM) John: feel it as if it is all of u, it is u?
(12:47 AM) John: let it resounds ....so clear as if u do not hear but see it
(12:47 AM) John: touch it...
(12:47 AM) John: clarity has all these aspects
(12:47 AM) AEN: icic
(12:47 AM) John: there is no diff...
(12:47 AM) AEN: oic
(1:00 AM) John: got to go..nite
(1:00 AM) AEN: gd nite
Session Start: Friday, July 07, 2006
(9:33 PM) John: mindfulness is very important
(9:34 PM) AEN: icic
(9:34 PM) AEN: ya
(9:35 PM) John: like what u told the new forumer
(9:35 PM) John: :)
(9:35 PM) AEN: yea
(9:35 PM) AEN: he's from england i tink
(9:35 PM) John: ic
(9:50 PM) John: mindfulness when practice correctly can directly lead us to enlightenment
(9:50 PM) John: because it is the most direct way of getting us in touch with the pre-symbolic realm
(9:50 PM) AEN: oic
(9:52 PM) John: constant contact in this layer will loosen the the grip of the self.
(9:52 PM) John: till we become mirror bright.
(9:52 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:58 PM) John: when u practice mindfulness, how do u practice?
(9:59 PM) AEN: being fully present and aware?
(10:00 PM) John: meaning?
(10:01 PM) AEN: letting go of self and fuse into everything?
(10:01 PM) John: that is when u are able to dissolve the 'self'
(10:02 PM) AEN: icic
(10:02 PM) John: use ur senses
(10:02 PM) AEN: icic
(10:02 PM) John: when u breathe, sense it...
(10:03 PM) John: sense it with totality
(10:03 PM) John: feel and notice all the details
(10:03 PM) AEN: most of the day i am not aware of breathing, except sometimes and also in meditation
(10:03 PM) AEN: does it mean i must be mindful of breathing 24/7?
(10:03 PM) John: even the minutest details
(10:03 PM) John: don't think, don't label...just feel...
(10:04 PM) John: use all ur senses to feel anything
(10:04 PM) John: u can start with ur breath
(10:04 PM) AEN: icic
(10:04 PM) AEN: mindfulness of breathing can be practised in every moment?
(10:04 PM) AEN: as in can la, but is it meant to?
(10:04 PM) John: yes...but mindfulness is not about anything, it is everything
(10:05 PM) AEN: icic
(10:05 PM) John: but u can start with something first
(10:05 PM) AEN: oic
(10:05 PM) John: notice it in raw....
(10:05 PM) John: until u know what is clarity
(10:05 PM) John: what is luminosity
(10:05 PM) AEN: icic
(10:06 PM) John: the sense of real, pure, clear and luminous
(10:06 PM) John: u must feel all of it
(10:06 PM) AEN: oic
(10:07 PM) John: u must be able to enter this mode first, the pre-symbolic mode...this is the very first step to experience
non-dual
(10:07 PM) John: otherwise whatever experience u have about no-self are merely concepts
(10:07 PM) AEN: icic
(10:07 PM) John: this is the first step towards understanding no-self
(10:07 PM) AEN: oic
(10:20 PM) John: Nirvana is not about eliminating something. Nothing really exist, so nothing can really be annihilated. The
causes of our suffering do not really exist, so how could
they be real eliminated. It is just a matter of directly seeing their real nature. :)
There is no real cessation (Liberation) because nothing is really existing in the first place
(10:20 PM) John: what does this mean?
(10:23 PM) AEN: where u copy from
(10:23 PM) AEN: hmm
(10:24 PM) John: from the forum post.
(10:24 PM) AEN: its a matter of seeing their emptiness nature?
(10:25 PM) AEN: buddha nature always is, does not increase on enlightenment nor decreased by delusion
(10:25 PM) AEN: seeing the nature is nirvana
(10:26 PM) John: whatever that is taught must not deviate from this very moment
(10:26 PM) John: this instantaneously gone
(10:26 PM) AEN: icic
(10:27 PM) John: u must be able to penetrate the depth of all teachings only in this moment.
(10:27 PM) AEN: oic
(10:27 PM) John: with and in relation to this moment.
(10:27 PM) John: all is to refine ur understanding of what that is, here, now. That is all.
(10:28 PM) AEN: icic
(10:28 PM) John: when u attempt to seek and search into ur memory bank, what u do immediately becomes conceptual
(10:29 PM) John: this moment, now, right here...experience it and authenticate it, all ur understand
(10:29 PM) John: let it comes, emerges, arises until u understand.
(10:30 PM) AEN: icic...
(10:30 PM) John: u have all the moments u want as long as u are and everyone is, do not seek into ur memories for answers,
they are not there. :)
(10:31 PM) AEN: oic
(10:31 PM) John: when ur understanding deepen, u forgo all teachings, only this is the teacher....dharma
(10:31 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:31 PM) John: clarity is the grade
(10:31 PM) AEN: oic
(10:34 PM) John: when u attempt to penetrate into the undefined, the raw, the mind will be confused at first
(10:34 PM) John: get used to it...
(10:34 PM) John: be raw, be before symbols
(10:34 PM) John: don't try to understand
(10:34 PM) John: dont try to analyse anything
(10:34 PM) John: when u r meditating
(10:35 PM) John: ur duty is merely to be without label and concepts and sense with all of ur entire being
(10:35 PM) AEN: ok
(10:35 PM) John: peace is not a form of self-justification
(10:35 PM) John: it is not a form of positive thinking
(10:36 PM) AEN: icic
(10:37 PM) John: it is simply the sense of calm, unaffected and unmoved by the 8 worldly winds
(10:37 PM) John: there is no need to have any thoughts, any form of justification
(10:37 PM) AEN: icic
(10:37 PM) John: just that sense...it explains all.
(10:38 PM) AEN: oic
(10:38 PM) John: mindfulness as the form of sensing should have this sort of quality....
(10:38 PM) John: the clarity must also have this sort of quality
(10:38 PM) John: there is no need to have words,
(10:38 PM) John: there is no need to understand anything
(10:39 PM) John: is it sound, is it red, is it green....etc
(10:39 PM) John: what is all these that are being experience....
(10:39 PM) John: do not attempt to ask what
(10:39 PM) AEN: oic
(10:39 PM) John: where, why, when and how
(10:39 PM) AEN: icic
(10:39 PM) John: u don't have too...the self will subside and u will have a glimpse of what is.
(10:40 PM) AEN: oic
(10:41 PM) John: because we always want to understand, to think, to analyse, we try to grasp....thinking that by so doing, we
can then know....but this is exactly what that prevents
us from experiencing reality.
(10:41 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:41 PM) AEN: ya
(10:42 PM) John: like casino_king, what is real....etc
(10:42 PM) AEN: hahahaha
(10:42 PM) John: yes...u only need that for communication, not to realised what he asked for. :)
(10:42 PM) AEN: oic
Session Start: Sunday, July 09, 2006
AEN:
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(11:41 AM) John: what is the purpose of teaching anatta?
(11:41 AM) AEN: so that the attachment to self can be dissolved?
(11:42 AM) John: and by dissolving the self, what one experience?
(11:42 AM) AEN: fuses into everything
(11:42 AM) John: by fusing into everything, what is experienced?
(11:43 AM) AEN: pristine awareness?
(11:43 AM) John: everything is consciousness
(11:43 AM) AEN: icic
(11:43 AM) John: what prevent us from this 'seeing'?
(11:44 AM) AEN: attachment?
(11:44 AM) AEN: attachment to self
(11:44 AM) John: when this attachment, it prevents us from experience directly
(11:44 AM) John: experiencing directly and intuitively
(11:44 AM) AEN: icic
(11:45 AM) John: instead of deeds alone succeed, doer of deeds is perceived.
(11:45 AM) AEN: oic
(11:45 AM) John: the 'doer' prevents the true experience of the 'deeds'
(11:45 AM) John: the hearer prevents the hearing of the sound
(11:46 AM) John: Aren't anatta and buddhaghosa taught the art of directness
(11:46 AM) AEN: oic..
(11:46 AM) John: that all is Consciousness
(11:46 AM) AEN: ya
(11:47 AM) John: that truly experiencing thus without intermediary
(11:47 AM) AEN: icic
(11:47 AM) John: isn't this clear?
(11:47 AM) John: inherent existence prevents the seeing.
(11:48 AM) AEN: icic
(11:48 AM) John: Sentient that see "inherent existence'
(11:48 AM) John: this perception is dual
(11:48 AM) John: from this perception, Samsara arises
(11:48 AM) AEN: oic
(11:49 AM) John: Even with this non-dual experience, prajna wisdom need not arise.
(11:49 AM) AEN: icic
(11:50 AM) John: it only serves as the ground the ready us to intuitively and directly perceived emptiness nature.
(11:51 AM) John: Without this experience of anatta, all understanding are (conceptual) knowledge.
(11:52 AM) John: how can one experience arising without a center, a core, a place when there is an observer?
(11:52 AM) AEN: oic
(11:53 AM) John: So do not mixed up the two for now. Though there is no clear line of demarcation between the doctrine of
anatta and emptiness, I have drawn this line for u so that
one does not mistaken one has understood emptiness.
(11:53 AM) John: :)
Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
The thing I understood is that most important is anatta or lumious clarity or mindfulness
although I dont know the exact meaning of the terms anatta or luminous clarity, I think I have understood what you mean by them.
So, if I am not wrong, then what is most important is to just see the sensations, thoughts
as just arising and disappearing on their own.
So, when there's a worrying thought, I notice where it's coming from and I find that it's just arising on it's own. there is no 'me' who is thinking it. this thought just came and vanished out of nothingness.
so, at the moment, the practice that I am doing is to remind myself or to notice where the present thought or sensation is coming from, where there is really a me who is thinking or doing things. and I keep finding that the thought or sensation or feeling just came by itself.
there was no doer.
so, throughout the day I will keep noticing where thoughts or feeling are coming from.
or in short, throughout the day I will keep looking whether there is any doer of the deeds I am doing or the thoughts I am thinking. will this be the correct way to practice?
is this the correct way to practice or am I missing something?
Hi awakenedmind, your focus is so far on impersonality and non-doership. The aspect of non-dual and anatta has not dawned. This is why it is good to focus on experiencing the non-dual luminosity. WIth the pointer of Bahiya Sutta, it can lead to anatta insight. So the purpose of practicing mindfulness is to have direct experience of this non-dual luminosity (vivid cognizance and presence), this aliveness like what asunthatneversets wrote: Also one of the nyams of their practice or realization is that everything around them comes alive... Chairs, rocks, the ground, the sky etc.. Everything feels like ones own body feels right now.. Which is naturally because everything is a manifestation of ones own nature and that is a direct experiencing of that. But not everyone has that nyam.
On the different degrees of no-self: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.sg/2011/12/experience-realization-view-practice.html
On Bahiya Sutta: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.sg/2011/10/zen-exploration-of-bahiya-sutta.html
On Luminosity: (2007, Thusness):
Okay, so the practice that I mentioned is incorrect?
Sorry for being so thick headed but now I dont understand what do I really need to do?
or how do I actually practice?
I hope you wont mind the questions.
http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/256048
Hi awakenedmind, maybe the above thread will be useful to you. The chatlog is still somewhat long but it's closer to a set of "how to" instructions, which is probably what you are wanting right now.
OK, I reckon the following may help clarify a bit more about "how to" practice.
P2 says:
oh, i mean his [Thusness] vipassana method
he's asking us to just 'be'?
to be there and fully aware
for me at present, i am only able to focus on one sense faculty at a time
AEN says:
ur only 'job' is to sense whatever arises as clearly as possible
whether u are able to maintain focus is another matter...
but having a focus on one object is also ok
like in anapanasati
P2 says:
whatever arises
so ok, lemme use an example
say i am sitting there and suddenly the tractor downstairs starts to roar
that's like the salient sensation... the noise
so i shift my focus to hearing it
then later, when a cool draft comes
that seems more salient... i turn to sensing that?
can it be done like that?
AEN says:
yes that's fine
u dont need to control ur attention... unless u are doing formal meditation
like anapanasati
then some amount of effort to sustain concentration on a single object is necessary
P2 says:
so but i can also sit in meditation with Thusness' sensing method, right?
AEN says:
yes
P2 says:
and how does one incorporate 'right view' into this?
how will i begin to see the 3 characteristics?
AEN says:
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2009/09/realization-and-experience-and-non-dual.html
" Lastly, I am not suggesting that there is a definite order of precedence for realizing the profound meaning of the dharma seals; it all depends on the conditions and capacity of each practitioner. But given the choice, start from penetrating the true meaning of anatta first, we will have very different understanding of impermanence, suffering and nirvana once we mature our insight of anatta. "
u can remind urself of anatta, like in ven buddhaghosa verse, or thusness two stanzas of anatta, or bahiya sutta 'in the seeing just the seen'
so as u practice 'thusness vipassana' u are deconstructing self and perception into its constituent perceptions
without seer-seen
P2 says:
i see
(12:03 AM):
i did think also... is it possible to contemplate anatta (using the suttas u mentioned) and also do Thusness Vipassana?
...so yes, now u r saying it's fine to do both
AEN says:
yes
in fact its important
Originally posted by awakenedmind:Okay, so the practice that I mentioned is incorrect?
Sorry for being so thick headed but now I dont understand what do I really need to do?
or how do I actually practice?
I hope you wont mind the questions.
No it is not incorrect. Just that you are currently focusing on the non-doership aspect. I am pointing out other aspects as well, that is to directly experience non-dual luminosity and realize its non-dual nature, and the insight into no-agency.
When you look at Thusness Stage 5, he mentioned this: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.sg/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
"Phase 5 is quite thorough in being no one and I would call this anatta in all 3 aspects -- no subject/object division, no doer-ship and absence of agent."
Non-doership is already glimpsed from the experience of impersonality, no subject/object division starts from Stage 4, and there is deeper insight into absence of agent in Stage 5 (anatta).
As for practice, you should direct to experiencing pure vivid clarity in all sensations, stripped of any conceptual constructs (only the direct, immediate awareness/vivid perception). And in terms of investigation, this advise might be relevant in my e-book:
You are a sincere and humble practitioner and I truthfully hope that you will achieve swift spiritual break-through. As I am too in a learning process, I will try to share with you what I have learnt.
First you should break-through the division between subject and object. It is OK to experience substantial non-duality first, but it is good to bear in mind that there are further phases.
When we challenge the boundaries and division between subject and object, we are able to collapse our experience into oneness. This is the phase of substantial non-dual. By challenging the boundary where awareness ends and manifestation begin, or the border between awareness and content, everything reveals itself to be an expression of a single field of undivided awareness. Such that things no longer occur 'In' awareness, but 'As' awareness. Everything is equally an expression of the infinite field of awareness... and there is no separation whatsoever between awareness and content, perceiver and perceived, subject and object.
That is the substantial non-dual phase. After which you can try to contemplate, 'in seeing just the seen', 'in hearing just the heard' like in Bahiya Sutta. This is not just a matter of substantial non-dualism. It is not 'everything is Awareness' but that 'there is no Awareness apart from the sights, sounds, etc'. So effectively, the term 'Awareness' is just a label, like the word 'weather', for the myriad of self-luminous experiences... it has no independent, permanent existence of its own. In seeing, ONLY just the seen. Apart from that there is no seeing or awareness. Just the seen, heard, cognized, thought, etc... just manifestation. So we no longer see a metaphysical essence. We no longer see anything inherent. Not even an 'Awareness'. Instead, we see a dynamic stream of luminous activities, without an agent, without a perceiver, a doer, controller, etc. This is not the inseparability of subject and object, but seeing how there is no subject to begin with – only self-luminous processes, activities, dharmas.
When a person undergo awareness practice until a certain phase – non-dual, it is very very important to keep instilling the right view and keep breaking the 'essence'. At this point you will need to have clarity on anatta and dependent origination in order to refine the experience of anatta. Even if one had glimpses and experiences of no-mind, one will still be unable to realize anatta, until practitioners realize that it is not necessary to have an 'essence' at all – it is simply a distorted view. So, to penetrate into Anatta, there must be the willingness to let go of the wrong 'view' entirely – the entire idea of an 'essence' must be gone. So with the adoption of view, we perfect the experience until all doubts are gone, and the center is completely gone – just flat, disjoint, unsupported, dimensionless and pure experience, manifested as whatever arises.
First investigate and clear the bond of duality, then investigate and clear the bond of inherency.
btw you might want to read up on this website: http://www.uncoveringlife.com
Thanks, that was really helpful.
so, here's what I am doing now.
I am contemplating on the bahiya sutta
and I am also focusing on the non duality aspect of things
i.e. I am trying to just sense things stripped of their concepts,
but to tell the truth, it's really difficult to do this luminosity thing.
any advice about that?
If you could give a few examples of how to focus on the luminosity or sense
things stripped off their concepts, it will really help.
Hi,
I figured you must have missed my above post.
It would be a lot of help, if you could just clear up just a few things.
It all seems very vague to me at the moment.
I mean, how to focus on the luminosity or sense things stripped off their concepts?
I guess I just want some instructions like "this is what you do everyday"
that would help a lot.
Sorry for bothering you, but I ask only because I am finding it difficult to understand.
You have to really enjoy and tune into the senses, the texture and details of the moment, and relax non-dually into the moment, the experience, zoom into the clarity. Clarity is the most important issue, but it is in inverse relationship with the construct/projection of self/Self - as Thusness said in 2007:
Yes there is no beyond and everything is merely 'This'. When we
tok about awareness it has to be only One, this is what Awareness
is and it has to be so, non-dual by nature. Therefore opening up is
to give up all and everything relating to 'self'. No-self and just
'the everything', clarity and Self is an inverse relationship. The
mathematical formula for it:
Clarity = 1/Self
That is, as Daniel Ingram says, "Turn into the sensuous nature of this moment, "tripping" on the textures and qualities of the visual field, the auditory field, the contact of anything with the skin, in an open, really engaged way that attempts to lose one's self in the beauty and perfection and satisfying simplicity of just this in the most profound and yet direct way. This really is the advice to stop and smell the roses taken to the highest degree one is capable of. This is the most pleasant of the ways in. It is much easier with the eyes open than eyes closed, so far, though this is getting easier eyes closed."
There must be joy, there must be enough relaxation (into the moment of whatever arises), and there must be clarity - that is you must zoom into the texture of the moment and savor it like you are born in a paradise for the first time (and you are - every moment is a first time in paradise!), there must be a deep sense of wonder. Take strolls in nature more if possible and fuse into nature. It is helpful.
For example, I had an intense PCE* when I was dancing and really tuning into the music and movement completely until the sense of self/Self completely dissolves into sounds, sights and action in its deep intense clarity, after which my entire practice shifted, though I'm not suggesting that as some kind of practice (not so healthy too - those places I used to frequent in the past, especially binge drinking and stuff) - anything will do as long as you can really tune into the moment and experience the clarity at its uber intensity. People usually can get into the 'moment' or 'in the zone' when doing dangerous stunts, mountain climbing, falling off a plane on parachute, speeding, etc etc - it pauses stop/conceptualization and there is only the 'moment' (any distraction and they're dead! so there is only this moment of action, next moment of action, one by one... no room for second thought or a self/Self!) with utter alertness and heightened senses - or even taking drugs like LSD with a particular aim or pointer in mind. But I do not recommend any of these as these are mere experiences and some people then depend on these stuff to 'get back into the mood'. Then it becomes a sort of dependency and addiction. It also comes with its risks and dangers. And without insight - whatever peak experiences one has becomes very pointless
I personally did not undertake any of these dangerous endevors so they are certainly not necessary. What is more important is sincere, true practice and insight. Know the proper way of practice - mindfulness taught by Buddha already covers it all, it is an ingenious way to development of insight and tranquility, it is a direct way to enlightenment as the Buddha himself said. With insight, PCE becomes effortless - but it is difficult to have insight without certain experience also.
The purpose is not to cultivate the PCE 24/7 (without insight it will always be contrived) - it is only to let you have a clear glimpse of non-dual luminosity, then with further insight that PCE is made natural and implicit. Even this is only the beginning and far from total liberating experience.
p.s. in teachings like Dzogchen, they teach movement meditation like Vajra dance, singing song of vajra, etc etc - all of these are about integrating Presence into the foreground. For me, it was through dancing at a nightclub and at that time I didn't know there were practices like that.
Actually every moment of life can be integration. Not only pleasant experiences, every unpleasant experiences too and thats the point! It is not just sitting meditation (although also important).
Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche tells us to maintain the Presence we experience when we are alert and driving the car. You don't need to be speeding, mountain climbing etc - the non-dual Presence is more important and can be experienced in any moment. So my telling you all those 'dangerous stunts' is not for you to try them out, but to 're-enact that presence and clarity in every moment as far as possible'. Even if you try to experience non-dual clarity and there is a deep sense of Presence, it doesn't mean one experiences non-dual - it is not so easy and takes some time. The sense of self must completely dissolve into non-dual clarity/experience. But with right view and practice eventually it will be experienced, and then realized. Fake it till you make it.
Also keep in mind the stanzas of Bahiya Sutta - it will be very helpful.
Happy journey! (indeed, JOY is necessary!)
* http://actualfreedom.com.au/library/topics/pce.htm
A PCE is when one’s sense of identity temporarily vacates the throne and apperception occurs. Apperception is the mind’s perception of itself … it is a pure awareness . Normally the mind perceives through the senses and sorts the data received according to its predilection; but the mind itself remains unperceived ... it is taken to be unknowable. Apperception is when the ‘thinker’ and the ‘feeler’ is not and an unmediated awareness occurs. The pure consciousness experience is as if one has eyes in the back of one’s head; there is a three hundred and sixty degree awareness and all is self-evidently clear.
This is knowing by direct experience, unmoderated by any ‘self’ whatsoever. One is able to see that ‘I’ and ‘me’ have been standing in the way of the perfection and purity that is the essential character of this moment of being here becoming apparent. Here a solid and irrefutable native intelligence can operate freely because the ‘thinker’ and the ‘feeler’ is in abeyance. One is the universe ’s experience of itself as a human being ... after all, the very stuff this body is made of is the very stuff of the universe. There is no ‘outside’ to the perfection of the universe to come from; one only thought and felt that one was a separate identity.
Apperception is something that brings the facticity born out of a direct experience of the actual . Then what one is (‘what’ not ‘who’) is these sense organs in operation: this seeing is me, this hearing is me, this tasting is me, this touching is me, this smelling is me, and this thinking is me. Whereas ‘I’, the identity, am inside the body: looking out through ‘my’ eyes as if looking out through a window, listening through ‘my’ ears as if they were microphones, tasting through ‘my’ tongue, touching through ‘my’ skin, smelling through ‘my’ nose, and thinking through ‘my’ brain. Of course ‘I’ must feel isolated, alienated, alone and lonely, for ‘I’ am cut off from the magnificence of the actual world – the world as-it-is – by ‘my’ very presence.
To get out of stuckness and induce a Pure Consciousness Experience one gets off one’s backside and does whatever one knows best to activate delight. Delight is what is humanly possible, given sufficient pure intent obtained from the felicity/ innocuity born of the pure consciousness experience, and from the position of delight, one can vitalise one’s joie de vivre by the amazement at the fun of it all ... and then one can – with sufficient abandon – become over-joyed and move into marvelling at being here and doing this business called being alive now. Then one is no longer intuitively making sense of life ... the delicious wonder of it all drives any such instinctive meaning away. Such luscious wonder fosters the innate condition of naiveté – the nourishing of which is essential if fascination in it all is to occur – and the charm of life itself easily engages dedication to peace-on-earth. Then, as one gazes intently at the world about by glancing lightly with sensuously caressing eyes, out of the corner of one’s eye comes – sweetly – the magical fairy-tale-like paradise that this verdant earth actually is ... and one is the experiencing of what is happening. But refrain from possessing it and making it your own ... or else ‘twill vanish as softly as it appeared.
When one remembers a PCE – or precipitates another – then one is well on the way to freedom ... this is what actualism is all about. Scattered along the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom are as many PCEs as one may need ... repeated peak experiences may very well be brought about on maybe a daily basis with constant application of reflective and fascinated contemplation . In such pure contemplation, ‘I’ cease seeing and seeing takes place of its own accord. ‘I’ can never be here now in this actual world for ‘I’ am an interloper, an alien in psychic possession of the body. ‘I’ do not belong here.
All this is impossible to imagine which is why it is essential to be confident that the actual world does exist. This confidence is born out of knowing, which is derived from the PCE, and is an essential ingredient to ensure success. One does not have to generate confidence oneself – as the religions require of one with regard to their blind faith – the purity of the actual world bestows this confidence upon one. The experience of purity is a benefaction. Out of this blessing comes pure intent, which will consistently guide one through daily life, gently ushering in an increasing ease and generosity of character. With this growing magnanimity, one becomes more and more anonymous, more and more self-less. With this expanding altruism one becomes less and less self-centred, less and less egocentric. Eventually the moment comes wherein something definitive happens, physically, inside the brain and ‘I’ am nevermore.
Don't hesitate if any queries come up.
One more point, if you missed the essence of what I said above:
(2011)
(6:59 PM) Thusness: what lead to PCE is really just the dissolution of self
feeling is pleasant, unpleasant or neutral
what that is afflictive is that thought
when one is free from that thought, feeling is still feeling
but all become clear
and primordially pure
like participant one and two that asked u
u can call ppl to look at the hand
taste the siliva
see the beauty of the scenery
nothing will be realized
what causes experience to be 'pure'?
it is just the dissolution of the agent
(7:02 PM) Thusness: the one behind so when there is nothing blocking, all presents itself in obviousness
Thanks, this was really helpful.
I think I have got the gist of the practice now.
Will keep practicing and will ask for suggestions if I hit a block.
Thanks again.