The core of your existence
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Discover the very core of your existence. Ask - Before birth, Who am I? When all thoughts are traced to the source, what remains is only pure awareness.
What is seeing these words? Find out.
What are you before thinking good and bad? Find out.
What are you before thinking? Find out.
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I am here thanks to my ignorance and cravings. I will continue to exist until these are extinguished.
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before ignorance and cravings, what are you?
before thinking, what are you?
silent your mind and notice your undeniable presence, awareness.
see your own essence
see what are you before birth
dont take any mental or conceptual answers as answers, only a direct experience of what you are can reveal it
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In the happening of the phenomena, at a certain place and time
experiencing all the time
hahaah
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No no... Before happening, what are you? Before birth, who are you?
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
No no... Before happening, what are you? Before birth, who are you?
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
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good, but what is aware of blank? your essence is not merely an inert blank space... it is fundamentally aware and perceiving, fully present.
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At the core of our exsistence are we not just a vast energetic awareness? I think I've had glimpses, but don't have the words to describe it, at all.
To directly answer your question, "Before birth, who am I?" Am I not(before birth) who I am now when the noise of my mind subsides, when "I" stop "trying"? So, before birth, I am who I am now. But now I can not see it clearly.
Somehow we become confused and take our thoughts to be "me/I" and then the problems start. My mind seem to create problems(via thoughts) in order to justify it's own importance and dominance.
But I could be waaayyy off!
Metta,
Brian.
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Yes but even thoughts do not fundamentally obscure this awareness... imagine clouds and blue sky... or clouds and sun... actually clouds also show themselves due to sunlight. So what is the sun?
To whom does thought occur? In what does thought occur? Just trace to the source and realize it was never lost.
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Just saw this posted on facebook:
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The sun? Wouldn't the sun be the awareness, which is somehow localized to this body(at least in my current level of understanding)
To whom does thought occur?
To no one, that's the illusion. We take the thoughts to be "me", just as we take the crystal to be colourful. Neither is completely accurate. Are not the thoughts a result of karma and the chain of dependent origination? The thoughts are beginning to be seen as exactly equivalant to any other sensation. They occur, but are of little importance. I feel wind on my cheek, I think it feels nice. Just more sensations ariseing in awareness. They are real but not me. I am the awareness in which they arise.
Is there a benefit to trying to intellectually deconstruct this stuff? or am I better off just sticking with "Who am I?" and watching where it points without expectation or judgement? I'm seeing much more clearly, lately, this awareness that I'm mentioning. It is really decreasing stress in my life because the thoughts and feelings are seen as not self, non-permanent, and unsatisfactory. I'm spending more time just "resting in awareness"(both on and off the cushion). I think this is a phrase Adyashanti uses(maybe others), but it is starting to make sense in an experential way.
Metta,
Brian.
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An Eternal NOw said: but what is aware of blank?
So are you saying that there is a 'what ' which is aware of the blank? Like a something seperate from the blank itself?
Like you said in the beginning. What is reading these words on the screen. That is the real I which is perceiving. Still seperation.
You are trying to say something to every1 in here which I don't get through experience.
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It simply means your essence is not an inert blankness like a piece of wood. It is pure existence, consciousness, bliss. It is brighter than a thousand suns. What is your own essence of knowingness? Put the question of separation aside and just try to have a non conceptual and direct touch and certainty of your luminous essence first, the core of existence.
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Originally posted by BrianEleven:
The sun? Wouldn't the sun be the awareness, which is somehow localized to this body(at least in my current level of understanding)
To whom does thought occur?
To no one, that's the illusion. We take the thoughts to be "me", just as we take the crystal to be colourful. Neither is completely accurate. Are not the thoughts a result of karma and the chain of dependent origination? The thoughts are beginning to be seen as exactly equivalant to any other sensation. They occur, but are of little importance. I feel wind on my cheek, I think it feels nice. Just more sensations ariseing in awareness. They are real but not me. I am the awareness in which they arise.
Is there a benefit to trying to intellectually deconstruct this stuff? or am I better off just sticking with "Who am I?" and watching where it points without expectation or judgement? I'm seeing much more clearly, lately, this awareness that I'm mentioning. It is really decreasing stress in my life because the thoughts and feelings are seen as not self, non-permanent, and unsatisfactory. I'm spending more time just "resting in awareness"(both on and off the cushion). I think this is a phrase Adyashanti uses(maybe others), but it is starting to make sense in an experential way.
Metta,
Brian.
Focus on self inquiry first and thusness's advice to you. It's best to put assumptions about awareness such as localization aside and investigate your own experience. If you say things arise in your awareness then how can awareness arise in your body?
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Focus on self inquiry first and thusness's advice to you. It's best to put assumptions about awareness such as localization aside and investigate your own experience. If you say things arise in your awareness then how can awareness arise in your body?
Hi Eternal Now,
Does the awareness arise in our body mean we have the awareness when we will hit the body ie to hit the Xue dao automatically and systematically ? I have attended the Ren Dian Xue course and my chakras have been opened by the master from Taiwan.
I have read on the Internet, this will release the "ling" or spirit that is trapped at the tail end of the spine, is that true ?
Can kindly enlighten me further on this ?
Thanks.
Regards,
Lee012Lee
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Hi, actually the true essence of awareness is like space. It is all pervasive and non localized. I do not know about the practice that you said, so I cannot comment.
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ok,
Reading of these words right now is happening from somewhere here behind the eyes. The viewing of life is not happening non localized or happning from my belly or foot. Thoughts too are noticed from a place somewhere here in the head. That is my experience, but yes conceptualizing about is not right.
Thought keeps on saying it is here in the head behind the eyes. That is the place of awareness. It is very hard to say that in the seen only the seen. The seen is out there and the awareness is in here.
YOu must have heard this question a million times. I will read more about it on this forum.
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I wonder if this "behind the eyes" feeling is actually just us feeling the breath as it goes through our nostrils deep into the nasal cavity together with the feeling of the eyes as it focuses and rolls about the muscles in the eye socket. Sure feels like it.
Ozean, it will help to check and observe the actual "feeling" of this experience of "behind the eyes". Compare it with the feeling of the experience of everything else you encounter. Is there a difference?
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No worries. Just ask "who am I?" Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=ZYjI6gh9RxE
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Jui said: Ozean, it will help to check and observe the actual "feeling" of this experience of "behind the eyes".
Thanks Jui,
Haven't really looked at that. I 'v read on it one time on some non dual site. The eye balls friction is sensed which is another experience of feeling which happens on itself. Thanks.
I don't rely on thoughts as they are coming not from me.
thanks AEN for the link.
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Quote Frrom Rupert Spira's website:
"Nour: I feel that I am that which sees through the eyes of this body, hears through the ears of this body.
Rupert: It is true that you are that which sees, hears etc. However, you, Awareness, don’t see or hear through a body. In other words, Awareness is not located in a body, looking out through the eyes, or behind the ears hearing.
The idea that we see through the eyes or hear through the ears is simply another mistaken interpretation by thought superimposed upon the reality of our experience.
Let us take the experience of hearing. Normally thought conceptualises a ‘me’ inside the head hearing a sound that is considered to be outside the head. Take a sound that you are hearing now, for instance, the traffic. And take the experience of the head, in which hearing is supposedly taking place. Our only experience of the head is a tingling mass of vibration.
Now is it your actual experience that the sound of the traffic is taking place inside the tingling vibration we call ‘the head?’ Go directly to the experience. Or rather is it your experience that the tingling vibration called the ‘sound of traffic’ and the tingling vibration call the ‘head’ both appear in Awareness?
Or we can ask ourselves, do we experience the Awareness that is hearing the sound of the traffic as being located in the tingling mass of vibration called ‘the head?’ In other words do we experience Awareness inside a sensation but outside a perception?
In order to find the answer try to look at this Awareness…..do you know where to look for it, can you see it or find it? No! Whilst Awareness is undeniably present, it cannot be located anywhere.
Therefore it is our simple, direct experience that Awareness is not located in the sensation we call the head and therefore it is also our simple experience that hearing, which takes place in Awareness, is also not located in the head.
Our only experience of the head is through sensing and our only experience of the sound of the traffic is through hearing, and sensing and hearing both take place in the same place, that is, in the placeless place of Awareness.
In fact, it is not even true to say that hearing and sensing take place in Awareness. Rather, Awareness as it were, takes the shape of sensing and hearing from time to time.
Awareness then takes the shape of a thought which conjures up a fairy tale about an individual entity that lives inside the head which hears a sound which supposedly takes place in an imagined space outside the head.
However, this fairy tale doesn’t change the fact of our experience which is that there is only Awareness, which sometimes takes the shape of thinking, sensing and perceiving, thereby giving birth to the appearance of the mind, body and world.