Originally posted by StriveOn:The one I am saying is more like a public kind of thing where they come together to debate.
err..oh goodness sake..those are of the same mind.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:You can't be wise if you have no knowledge! It's one thing to live a good and upright life, but if that is complemented by a coherent and rational worldview that would even be better. So it is not a false dilemma of either/or, but both/and.
what u are refering IS part of wisdom, not "knowledge" that is taught in school. coherent and rational worldview aka experience(wisdom) do not need a degree(knowledge) to give u a pass. this is what i mean.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:Wouldn't it be just as correct to say that Buddhists are stubborn too? I think we should refrain from such ad hominem remarks. Having said that, we need to be able to evaluate teachings of religious leaders. I am sure you would agree with this. Lastly, when asked by His disciples to who God to them Jesus answered, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." In other words, Jesus was telling them that God is talking to them in the flesh!
yes, as i was telling SJS6638, i am refering to the glasses metaphor not u, as u were also refering to the metaphor. hence i said that that person is stubborn to look up. though the metaphor is not really about stubborness. meditation is something that one can witness the true state of mind, also posted :
Mindfulness meditation changes brain structure in 8wks http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/466976
yes, like the saying that he made man, like himself. "image of man".
reminded me, in Buddhism, the Essential Nature of Tathagata which is seeing, hearing, sensing and cognizing is similar to all of us.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Interesting. So you were a Christian before? Mind if I ask you what kind of involvement did you have. Or rather, in what way did the church equipped you to think apologetically about the Christian faith?
masses(they were some what into healing), but forgotten the name of this very famous pastor, who had a lot of talks in asia and the world(?). nothing much to say, as its way too long ago, ten to twenty yrs ago, one in army days. maybe he passed away already, i also don't know. forgotten already, hah.
Originally posted by sinweiy:what u are refering IS part of wisdom, not "knowledge" that is taught in school. coherent and rational worldview aka experience(wisdom) do not need a degree(knowledge) to give u a pass. this is what i mean.
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Wisdom involves knowledge because it is the application of knowledge to achieve a good outcome at the right time. By knowledge I am not just referring to academic knowledge. It's just knowledge in a general sense.
Originally posted by sinweiy:masses(they were some what into healing), but forgotten the name of this very famous pastor, who had a lot of talks in asia and the world(?). nothing much to say, as its way too long ago, ten to twenty yrs ago, one in army days. maybe he passed away already, i also don't know. forgotten already, hah.
Actually I was more asking about what kind of instruction did you receive when you were a Christian back 10-20 years ago? The usual church experience of most Christians I know of are attend Sunday services and cell group meetings. But what is woefully lacking is, as I have observed, a very needful apologetic grounding of the Christian faith. By and large many Christians are not taught and equipped to defend the faith and most just check their brains at the door. Such also give nonbelievers the impression of the typical Christian who just believe and never ask questions about their own faith.
Originally posted by BroInChrist:Wisdom involves knowledge because it is the application of knowledge to achieve a good outcome at the right time. By knowledge I am not just referring to academic knowledge. It's just knowledge in a general sense.
the wisdom i am refering is much special than "general sense". since u all are not taught of such particular wisdom, or u all are not so much into it, i will say, to us, it's some what link to compassion. such wisdom is diffcult to be taught easily. even with general sense, one can use it for evil or selfish use.
That say compassion is the base/principle while wisdom is the
gate/door.
Wisdom and compassion are inextricably linked. They are two sides of
the same coin. When compassion is taken out of the equation, wisdom
turns into worthless platitudes, which easily become destructive.
Without compassion, wisdom degenerates into an escapist entanglement
in concepts, theories and dogmas.
Wisdom differs in quality to a point where it may seem to have little
to do with cleverness. Sometimes, the actions of wise people seem to
go against common sense, often act in ways which are considered
foolish by clever people. They would, for example, sacrifice their
own interests for the sake of others, or accept defeat, sometimes
even their own destruction, when they had every chance of winning or
escaping. This is what i call, losing the apparent, but won the
karmic.
A teacher tried to persuade her students to stop smoking. She,
however, smoked, and her efforts were therefore not very convincing.
She was propagating methods to overcome addiction while being a living example of addiction. Young people seldom do what you tell
them; they do what you do. She realized her efforts would remain
futile unless she stopped smoking herself, which she did with
tremendous effort. Her freeing herself from her own addiction was a
beautiful act of compassion towards her students. It was an inspiring
example of liberation to her students, some of whom gave up smoking.
In the final analysis, she also learned to love herself more, for she
had also decreased the risks to her own health. Her compassion
increased her own insight into the power of teaching without words.
Such also give nonbelievers the impression of the typical Christian who just believe and never ask questions about their own faith.
no worry, i asked a lot to myself alright..but it doesn't fit the puzzled mind. however the faith in Buddhism, which later ended in Pureland school, somewhat similar, is stronger due to witnessing myself. nothing can change the truth as u discern the truth yourself.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:the wisdom i am refering is much special than "general sense". since u all are not taught of such particular wisdom, or u all are not so much into it, i will say, to us, it's some what link to compassion. such wisdom is diffcult to be taught easily. even with general sense, one can use it for evil or selfish use.
no worry, i asked a lot to myself alright..but it doesn't fit the puzzled mind. however the faith in Buddhism, which later ended in Pureland school, somewhat similar, is stronger due to witnessing myself. nothing can change the truth as u discern the truth yourself.
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So were you taught or equipped to handle questions asked about the Christian faith? When you had questions how did you deal with them?
Originally posted by BroInChrist:So were you taught or equipped to handle questions asked about the Christian faith? When you had questions how did you deal with them?
like said, long forgotten.