It is possible to hv those who discover and practice their way out of suffering for example they never hear the dharma, both when Buddha was alive and after his death till now, even in modern age like the last 100 years?
err you mean Pratyekabuddha ?
not possible... in my opinion there are only private buddhas when dharma teachings are no longer available..
How about Lao tze?
I also think it could be possible for a person who is experiencing dukka, then started doing some meditation, achieving some concentration to analyse the causes of his suffering and device ways to minimise sufferings, along the line the person may be able to discover something similar to four noble truth without the full complete eightfold path.
there are those that met the Buddha before, learn, but didn't gain enlightened, then their future life become Pratyekabuddha, enlightened thru conditions.
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It is true that in one era, there will only be one Buddha?
For example, in the current Buddha era, somewhere in Africa, there is a silent Buddha?
Originally posted by libido:It is true that in one era, there will only be one Buddha?
For example, in the current Buddha era, somewhere in Africa, there is a silent Buddha?
Yes true only one Buddha. Ven Nagasena also answered King Milinda about this question.
Are u thinking one can be enlightened on his own? It's almost impossible....
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I think there is a possibility though not 100% perfect. But it may be attributed to previous lives contact with dharma.
I hv personally witness one person who has never read buddhism before but practice yoga and Taoist meditation, while trying to find escape from suffering, he came out with suffering, cause is suffering and solution to prevent suffering, although system is not complete like eightfold path. Sure as he practice down the road he did not meet perfection and now using eightfold path system.
Looking for the way due to suffering, I think is logic thinking. Probably in the field if psychology there are thinkers along same line, but of course the system is not complete as Buddha teaching.
i been listening to this
Mind and Life XVIII - Day 2 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-DlmXaQNKc
there was a discussion on what is one-pointed mind and query whether, if one person attain one pointed mindfulness is it close to Enlightenment. the Theravada is inclined toward saying yes. it is like a person walking a tie rope, he need to "balance" his mind, be focus yet not too focus. not focus will fall, too focus on his feet will also fall.
then a Vajrayana person argued that a sniper can also be said to have one-pointed mind when targeting to kill. is that Right? HHDL said the first motivation and or aspiration or morality is more important.
so have to ask the aim/aspiration of the person who has never read buddhism before but practice yoga and Taoist meditation
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Theoretically, Pratyekabuddhas do not appear during a Buddha's dispensations. They only appear during the gap between Buddha's dispensations (e.g. the gap between Kassapa Buddha and Shakyamuni Buddha)
As for during his times, Buddha said:
“In whatever Dispensation there exists not the Noble Eightfold Path, neither is the first Samana, nor the second, nor the third, nor the fourth, to be found therein. In whatever Dispensation there exists the Noble Eightfold Path, there are also to be found the first Samana, the second Samana, the third Samana, and the fourth Samana. In this Dispensation there exists the Noble Eightfold Path. Here indeed, are found the first Samana, the second Samana, the third Samana, and the fourth Samanas.
The
other foreign schools are empty of Samanas. If, O Subhadda, the
disciples live rightly, the world would not be void of Arahants.
What is samana?
Contemplative, recluse.
Other systems are devoid of true contemplatives/recluses.
Only in the Buddhadharma can the first to fourth recluse (sotapanna to arahant) can be found.
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Sri Ramana Maharshi. This Hindu guru contemplate as well. As long as one dun go too deep into jhanas, one will contemplate I think.
Yeah but Buddha defines recluses as Sotapanna~Arahantship.
Ramana Maharshi isn't considered such, even though he contemplates and has his own realization, etc.
In Cula-sihanada Sutta (MN 11) -- The Shorter
Discourse on the Lion's Roar {M i 63} [Ñanamoli Thera and Bhikkhu Bodhi,
trans.] - http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.011.ntbb.html ,
the Buddha declares that only through practicing in accord with the
Dhamma can Awakening be realized. His teaching is distinguished from
those of other religions and philosophies through its unique rejection
of all doctrines of self. [BB]
Rama state that if there is no incarnation if there is no ignorance. This is same as buddhism. If his training method is close to eightfold path, I would say there r ways that are similars and may be on the same road, after all what is name?
Heraclitus — ‘The Only Thing That Is Constant Is Change -’
similar era as Buddha? i find same philosophy as Impermanence.
though got new finding of Buddha's birth time:-
Buddha's birthplace has been found and dated to the 6th century B.C., providing direct evidence for the nativity story of the Buddha himself.
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Ramana Maharshi's path is not the same as Buddha's eightfold path, as his View is based on Self-View - the view of an ultimate Self or Brahman. That would be considered the wrong view in Buddhism. And as we know, Right View is taught to be the forerunner of the noble eightfold path. With right view comes all the other 'rights' up to right mindfulness and right concentration.
Also in my experience, there can be no release if the view causes clinging. After I realized I AMness, there is clinging to the formless infinite pure consciousness as Self and the practice is always to sustain and cling to it for all day and night. In Buddhism, any kind of clinging will cause samsara. It can lead to rebirth in formless planes for a long time but it is not Nirvana. The Hindus see the realization of Atman-Brahman as their liberation, but not Buddhism.
For the purpose of realizing I AMness (http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html , http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.sg/2007/03/mistaken-reality-of-amness.html) however I will recommend reading Ramana Maharshi's work. I passed my Ramana Maharshi's book to a self-inquiry practitioner some time back and encouraged him to practice it.
"In
the Alagaddūpama Sutta (MN.22), the Buddha framed a discussion with
bhikkhus on a set of ‘six positions on views’ (chayimÄ�ni …
diá¹á¹hiá¹á¹hÄ�nÄ�ni) that were held by the untaught commoner (assutavÄ�
puthujjano), and through this discussion leveled a sweeping refutation
of the of the Upaniá¹£adic theory of Ä€tman, Brahman Absolute or ‘The All
is Brahman … this self of mine in the heart, that is Brahman’ ‘sarvam
khalv idaṃ brahma … eá¹£a ma Ä�tmÄ�ntar há¹›daye etad brahma’ (CU. III, 14:1
& 4). MN.22 was specifically punning on YÄ�jñavalkya’s view in
Bṛhad-�raṇyaka Upaniṣad, IV, 5.6.
With
reference to this case example and others, K.R. Norman and R.F.
Gombrich have soundly argued that the Buddha and his followers were well
aware of the br�hmaṇa culture of the time, and that the att� he was
refuting as nonexistent (asat) is the dogma of �tman just as we find it
in the Upaniá¹£ads. "
I do not know Heraclitus's teachings too well, but it could be possible that he is teaching an aspect of Buddhist view, but then not necessarily the noble eightfold path that leads to liberation.
Thanks aen for sharing.
Can I clarify with u, why R M said if there is no ignorance, there is no reincarnation? His term of reincarnation there is a permanent self?
What is reincarnated in Advaita is the jiva - the individual soul, not the ultimate Self which is Brahman - that remains unchanging and unmoved as the substratum like an unmoving depths of the ocean underneath all waves (wave = jiva).
Because RM is Advaita, and Advaita also teaches that reincarnation happens when there is ignorance and vasanas. Its similar to Buddhism, in Buddhism rebirth happens due to ignorance and karmic tendencies or afflictions.
But what we consider as 'ignorance' is different from them.
You mean chakra healing? : http://www.chakrahealing.com/chakra-test/7-chakras
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Because RM is Advaita, and Advaita also teaches that reincarnation happens when there is ignorance and vasanas. Its similar to Buddhism, in Buddhism rebirth happens due to ignorance and karmic tendencies or afflictions.
But what we consider as 'ignorance' is different from them.
Sir the Nirvana in Buddhism and Nirvana according to Ramana is the same isn't it?May be same target,different routes? And soul is part of Brahman as I understand.
Originally posted by Bio-Hawk:Sir the Nirvana in Buddhism and Nirvana according to Ramana is the same isn't it?May be same target,different routes? And soul is part of Brahman as I understand.
No, they are not the same.
Different routes, different target.
The Moksha of Advaita is simply absorption in pure consciousness identified as Self. This is still not liberation in Buddhism because all sense of self and Self (not only egoic self but the delusion of an ultimate Self) are completely seen through and released via insight into anatta. The notion that 'soul is part of Brahman' is one of those illusions being seen through.
I have personally experienced both the Hindu and Buddhist realization myself so I understand the difference through experience. Simpo and Thusness in this forum as well. As I quoted Thusness earlier: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No, they are not the same.
Different routes, different target.
The Moksha of Advaita is simply absorption in pure consciousness identified as Self. This is still not liberation in Buddhism because all sense of self and Self (not only egoic self but the delusion of an ultimate Self) are completely seen through and released via insight into anatta. The notion that 'soul is part of Brahman' is one of those illusions being seen through.
I have personally experienced both the Hindu and Buddhist realization myself so I understand the difference through experience. Simpo and Thusness in this forum as well. As I quoted Thusness earlier: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
I read this blog page few times over days. Still no where there yet.Are you the writer of that page?
So stage 1,as in 'I' being everything is only the first stage?And stage 7 is not the end as well? So where does it end and in which stage does one get free of Karma and achieve Nirvana?