Club 30's "Kill The Boredom Demon" Jive Pad, 53rd Edition
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Can't help it but.... *Presses laugh button*Originally posted by the Bear:
both do not see anything wrong as long as the result is achieved...
remember?
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are u sure you sympathize with adults who did wrong?Originally posted by Wanda:Likewise... for your case.
well, apparently all the muslims i mix with doesn't support the jihad.
and none of my christian friends ever think that chc is a good place to learn bout christ. -
nope.. just that in your case, you are trying to say that they are okay to justify your own behaviour probably...
it's easy because someone else is doing it, you are exornerated of your own misdeeds.. a lot of people use that argument.. and they use it so much they actually believe that if someone else commits an atrocity, they also can do so with impunity because that initial one has escaped justice..Originally posted by stellazio:are u sure you sympathize with adults who did wrong?
well, apparently all the muslims i mix with doesn't support the jihad.
and none of my christian friends ever think that chc is a good place to learn bout christ. -
Now dun try to argue your way thru by putting words in my mouth, and don't make assumptions about me.Originally posted by stellazio:are u sure you sympathize with adults who did wrong?
well, apparently all the muslims i mix with doesn't support the jihad.
and none of my christian friends ever think that chc is a good place to learn bout christ.
All the adults you meet, the muslims you know and mix with, and all your christian friends just do not constitute the world.
You've just proven what I'd said earlier, you can't see it. -
in what way? i'm responding to a suggestion that i am siding with kids just because i'm a kid myself..Originally posted by elindra:U r starting to sound like Hisk -_-"
which is absurd, because if thats the case, then regardless of right or wrong, people will continue their path. that is why the world is in so much turmoil.
apparently they didn't read the word unless in extreme cases. i am usually tolerant with them. -
*trots in happy ....
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the simple explanation of this is this line:
Pardon me.. your slip is showingOriginally posted by stellazio:in what way? i'm responding to a suggestion that i am siding with kids just because i'm a kid myself..
which is absurd, because if thats the case, then regardless of right or wrong, people will continue their path. that is why the world is in so much turmoil.
apparently they didn't read the word unless in extreme cases. i am usually tolerant with them. -
and in what way?Originally posted by the Bear:nope.. just that in your case, you are trying to say that they are okay to justify your own behaviour probably...
it's easy because someone else is doing it, you are exornerated of your own misdeeds.. a lot of people use that argument.. and they use it so much they actually believe that if someone else commits an atrocity, they also can do so with impunity because that initial one has escaped justice..
i don't mix noise in the mrt or libraries, nor make things difficult for people in the supermarket, nor shove my way in and out of mrts..
i am siding with kids, because by kids, i meant those below primary level. those that probably don't realize how their actions will affect those around em.
and it is the parents fault if they get out of control. -
and your sense of self justice is showing.Originally posted by the Bear:the simple explanation of this is this line:
Pardon me.. your slip is showing -
Coz of all the examples you brought in and applying it to the train of thought Wanda brought up is liken to Hisk that anyone with some sense of pride is gulity of hubris coz since you cannot quantify how much pride = extreme arrogance, therefore anyone with any sense of pride is suffering from hubris.Originally posted by stellazio:in what way? i'm responding to a suggestion that i am siding with kids just because i'm a kid myself..
which is absurd, because if thats the case, then regardless of right or wrong, people will continue their path. that is why the world is in so much turmoil.
apparently they didn't read the word unless in extreme cases. i am usually tolerant with them. -
and likewise, you can't see beyond your own point of view.Originally posted by Wanda:Now dun try to argue your way thru by putting words in my mouth, and don't make assumptions about me.
All the adults you meet, the muslims you know and mix with, and all your christian friends just do not constitute the world.
You've just proven what I'd said earlier, you can't see it.
how am i siding kids just because i'm a kid? when the kid in here refers to those young ones that haven't even gone to primary school?
less say havign a debate with you over their actions.. -
there is also the child.. the child is not faultless.. because the child chooses to be evil..
the parents did not make the child behave in an evil way...
in that way, we do actually treat the child more than just an irrational, unthinking, non-sentient being..
if you are out of control, is it totally your parents' fault?
or did your choice of being out of control yours?
even a child has responsibilities... your view absolves the child of all responsibilities...
the child must take some blame for his own actions...
the sins of the parents do not exornerate the child of hisOriginally posted by stellazio:and in what way?
i don't mix noise in the mrt or libraries, nor make things difficult for people in the supermarket, nor shove my way in and out of mrts..
i am siding with kids, because by kids, i meant those below primary level. those that probably don't realize how their actions will affect those around em.
and it is the parents fault if they get out of control. -
*wipes brow ......
jive pad bery warm today hor ...
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true.. because if we have no standards, then anything is to be accepted..
read what i said about Jung in the night topic..
Jung said that we have to accept all and that condemnation of anything is wrong..
i figure Jung is a barrel of laughs.. there are some things which we must condemn.. else we lose everything...Originally posted by stellazio:and your sense of self justice is showing. -
So stella, your point is that the kids are not to be blamed coz their parents didn't teach them so they are behaving atrociously and they are too young to think for themselves?
Then how about brats who carry on screaming and wail even louder when their parents try to stop them. -
look look, it all started with i am usually tolerant with them kids, unless it gets too extreme.Originally posted by elindra:Coz of all the examples you brought in and applying it to the train of thought Wanda brought up is liken to Hisk that anyone with some sense of pride is gulity of hubris coz since you cannot quantity how much pride = extreme arrogance, therefore anyone with any sense of pride is suffering from hubris
and from then on, it becomes "you're a kid", "you're machiavellian"...
so because i am more tolerant then others, and i choose to place the fault of the young kids who can't account for themselves into the parents i am all those..sigh... -
I think bear has explained it.Originally posted by stellazio:and likewise, you can't see beyond your own point of view.
how am i siding kids just because i'm a kid? when the kid in here refers to those young ones that haven't even gone to primary school?
less say havign a debate with you over their actions..
Anyone who is under 21 and who still behaves with poor manners in public is still a kid to me...yes, late teens included. That is why this age group is dealt with differently by the courts, and not just pre-primary schoolers that you keep harping on....or maybe that's your own narrow perspective acting up again. -
yes? but did i even venture into there?Originally posted by the Bear:there is also the child.. the child is not faultless.. because the child chooses to be evil..
the parents did not make the child behave in an evil way...
in that way, we do actually treat the child more than just an irrational, unthinking, non-sentient being..
if you are out of control, is it totally your parents' fault?
or did your choice of being out of control yours?
even a child has responsibilities... your view absolves the child of all responsibilities...
the child must take some blame for his own actions...
the sins of the parents do not exornerate the child of his
i never ever said that a child shouldn't be physically beaten.
i'm just saying, the fault first and foremost should lie with the parents. and we as outsiders should not take it upon ourselves to teach the child a lesson.
we reprimand the parents, and let them teach themselves.
whether or not it works after that i won't know, because how the child will grow up after that we probably won't know already. -
Ok ok anyway I think most people blame the parents first but if the parents try and they still don't behave, they blame the kid. I think that is a very normal reaction.Originally posted by stellazio:look look, it all started with i am usually tolerant with them kids, unless it gets too extreme.
and from then on, it becomes "you're a kid", "you're machiavellian"...
so because i am more tolerant then others, and i choose to place the fault of the young kids who can't account for themselves into the parents i am all those..sigh...
Anyway, sometimes I think the hardest thing to do is when your friend's kid misbehave and you have to grin and bear with it especially when your frank opinion falls on deaf ears and that they are horrified that you would even consider spanking the child. -
when do you start placing fault on the child then?
seriously...
sadly, stellagirl, your past caught up with you.. we do perceive you in such a way where anything goes, as long as you get your way and the ends are achieved..
we start to think you side with brats because you are/were one and want to rationalise your own behaviour.. a lot of people do that...
just like hisk.. when he comes in and asks us how to go about getting the 'desired outcome' of a psychological test.. and keeps defending his reasons for trying to achieve the 'correct outcome'...
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you blame the kid?Originally posted by elindra:So stella, your point is that the kids are not to be blamed coz their parents didn't teach them so they are behaving atrociously and they are too young to think for themselves?
Then how about brats who carry on screaming and wail even louder when their parents try to stop them.
and for what??.. it won't do any good, and its not right for you to take the child and slap him and ask him to shutup.
i'm sure as a child, you'll definitely much prefer it if your own parents taught you a lesson rather then outsiders. -
I won't take the child and slap himOriginally posted by stellazio:you blame the kid?
and for what??.. it won't do any good, and its not right for you to take the child and slap him and ask him to shutup.
i'm sure as a child, you'll definitely much prefer it if your own parents taught you a lesson rather then outsiders.
But if it gets out of control I will talk to the parents
If not I will tell the kid to shut up and behave
Sometimes it takes an outsider to teach a child because they no longer respect their parents or see their parents as a figure of authority.
I didn't say what I will do. I asked what will you do.
And yes I blame the kid too because it shows what an impertinient brat it is
Also I find that kids, who run around and misbehave, usually all you need to do is to stare at them really hard with a disapproving look or go SHHHHHH or them loudly and they start to behave and run to their parents who will usually go ," See what I tell you about misbehaving" -
under 21? you're mixing age with maturity?Originally posted by Wanda:I think bear has explained it.
Anyone who is under 21 and who still behaves with poor manners in public is still a kid to me...yes, late teens included. That is why this age group is dealt with differently by the courts, and not just pre-primary schoolers that you keep harping on....or maybe that's your own narrow perspective acting up again.
as far as i know, above 18, the law applies to everyone the same.
the point we'r all talking abut here is kids as in small kids!!! -
How about this...once at the taxi stand I heard this boy about 11 years old..
screaming at his grandmom "I DUN CARE, I WANT TO BUY, YOU BETTER BUY FOR ME" at his highest pitch voice, I presumed..
the few of us at the taxi stand starts taking a few steps away from them....
I was going deaf then... -
There, there, you're making yet another assumption.Originally posted by stellazio:under 21? you're mixing age with maturity?
as far as i know, above 18, the law applies to everyone the same.
the point we'r all talking abut here is kids as in small kids!!!
Ok, I wun say more...coz you just can't see it, so I wun waste time only to agitate you further.