Club 30's "Kill the Boredom Demon" Jive Pad 146th Edition
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Originally posted by Fatum:
the writer should go ask his parents if they considered themselves suckers for having him ......
This article is supposed to be taken with a pinch of saltIt's a very logical scientific approach without taking emotions into considerations
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frankly, most would wish for a better life than their own for their children..
however, in this world, in this planet, except for the blind optimist, it is hard to see how their children would inherit a better world.. which could be a reason for the falling fertility rate
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Originally posted by elindra:
This article is supposed to be taken with a pinch of saltIt's a very logical scientific approach without taking emotions into considerations
love is an inherently emotional quality ......
a man and a woman, they fall in love, who can explain the whys ? ..... would anyone measure and evaluate their relationship in purely logical terms ? of course not !
same thing for parenthood ...... the love a parent has for the offspring, cannot be explained or measured against reason .....
how can having a child be likened to signing up for a mortgage ?
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Originally posted by Fatum:
love is an inherently emotional quality ......
a man and a woman, they fall in love, who can explain the whys ? ..... would anyone measure and evaluate their relationship in purely logical terms ? of course not !
same thing for parenthood ...... the love a parent has for the offspring, cannot be explained or measured against reason .....
how can having a child be likened to signing up for a mortgage ?
There are always two parts to itYes the emotional love part but there are also costs involved and it is running costs
You can't deny that
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Originally posted by the Bear:
frankly, most would wish for a better life than their own for their children..
however, in this world, in this planet, except for the blind optimist, it is hard to see how their children would inherit a better world.. which could be a reason for the falling fertility rate
Our world is heading towards doomsday seriously -
Originally posted by Fatum:
love is an inherently emotional quality ......
a man and a woman, they fall in love, who can explain the whys ? ..... would anyone measure and evaluate their relationship in purely logical terms ? of course not !
same thing for parenthood ...... the love a parent has for the offspring, cannot be explained or measured against reason .....
how can having a child be likened to signing up for a mortgage ?
The article is basically saying that - it's an irrational choice that we try too hard to justify. Our choices have to be tampered with a healthy dose of reason, because that good feeling is not going to feed your kids if you don't have the means to do so.
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Originally posted by elindra:
There are always two parts to itYes the emotional love part but there are also costs involved and it is running costs
You can't deny that
perhaps i'm the wrong person to preach about having kids, since I'm a terminal romantic and a chap who goes on my knees every night and pray that our coming marriage would be fruitful and that I'll be a good father .....
and parenthood is a very esoteric quality, perhaps the best person to ask about this would be your parents ... ask them if they've ever measured the cost of having kids in economic terms, and whether you, as a whole, were worth the trade off for them, dispassionately. i think parenthood is best explained by someone who's actually a parent, no ?
And ask them too, if they'd do it, all over again .... ^^
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MPB always said I'm damn un-romantic
I'm more logical than a romantic
And I need a lot of convincing on the intangibles.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
The article is basically saying that - it's an irrational choice that we try too hard to justify. Our choices have to be tampered with a healthy dose of reason, because that good feeling is not going to feed your kids if you don't have the means to do so.
I agree with you ..... it's almost criminal to have a large brood of children if the parents doesn't really have the means to provide for them.
except that none of us here are in such a situation ....
having to chose between feeding the kids or feeding yourself is one thing, a very different situation from having to chose between more branded goods, a flashier car, more distant holidays, etc and having a kid.
I think the irony in the world, not just in singapore, is that the people who could least afford it are breeding like rabbits, while the ones who could well afford it are chosing not to.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
I agree with you ..... it's almost criminal to have a large brood of children if the parents doesn't really have the means to provide for them.
except that none of us here are in such a situation ....
having to chose between feeding the kids or feeding yourself is one thing, a very different situation from having to chose between more branded goods, a flashier car, more distant holidays, etc and having a kid.
I think the irony in the world, not just in singapore, is that the people who could least afford it are breeding like rabbits, while the ones who could well afford it are chosing not to.
Because the ones who can well afford it are also likely the ones to punch in the calculator and think about opportunity costs and the world situation
And suddenly it doesn't seem like a good idea at all
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Originally posted by elindra:
Our world is heading towards doomsday seriouslywhen my parents got married, south vietnam just fell, and people were waiting for the domino theory to happen, the spectre of a nuclear holocaust was hanging over everyone, red china was still in the throes of the cultural revolution, and everywhere was an economic basket case .......
each generation has it's own problems ..... but hope comes with love. If a couple in love with each other can have the hopes of a good future together, why can't this couple harbour the same hopes of a good future for any offsprings they might have ?
in my parent's time, they fell in love, and that's it ! Love can conquer everything ... my dad was still in tertiary education then. no honeymoon, no house, no car, no hotel wedding banquets. My mom moved into the kampung house my dad shared with his parents and 6 other siblings. It was 6 years before they got their first place.
forward to now, some people can't seem to want to marry unless all the prerequisites were in place ...... whatever happened to old fashioned romance ? Our parents slogged their asses off so they could provide well for us ...... but our generation slogs our asses off so we could provide well for ...... us ?
I'm kinda glad my parents never did the numbers crunching before they had me .... else I certainly wouldn't be here.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
then it'll be the small one.. but the bigger screen is such an attractive thing.. ahahahaha
i'll go bug my sister about it
remember to get some nice covers n skins to zhng your kindle. let me know when she can get them :D
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afternoon
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Originally posted by Fatum:
I agree with you ..... it's almost criminal to have a large brood of children if the parents doesn't really have the means to provide for them.
except that none of us here are in such a situation ....
having to chose between feeding the kids or feeding yourself is one thing, a very different situation from having to chose between more branded goods, a flashier car, more distant holidays, etc and having a kid.
I think the irony in the world, not just in singapore, is that the people who could least afford it are breeding like rabbits, while the ones who could well afford it are chosing not to.
i was just commenting at dinner last night that most of the babies are coming from the very rich and the very poor. the folks in the middle are giving parenthood a miss.
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Malaysia scraps import tariff of 300 items
dunno wat items though
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Originally posted by elindra:
Because the ones who can well afford it are also likely the ones to punch in the calculator and think about opportunity costs and the world situation
And suddenly it doesn't seem like a good idea at all
and just like I said, that's why it's sad. In a third world shithole, like the manila slum they described in the sunday times few weeks back, prospective parents must chose between feeding themselves or feeding the children .... in here, or at least for the people in club 30, the trade off is between a more luxurious lifestyle and feeding a kid ...... see what I'm saying ?
Are you having cold feet at the prospect of having a cub, pinky ?
well, of course, after all, that would be a decision you two would have to make, but just remember, there's a difference between the "can" and the "want" .... the desire to have a kid, or not, may change, but there's an expiry date on the production line ......
one of the biggest regret that i have is that I didn't get to meet fatumnette sooner. The bio clock is ticking for us. And we don't even contemplate if we'd have the luxury to save up for a few years more for any children. We can only hope that we won't run out of time.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
when my parents got married, south vietnam just fell, and people were waiting for the domino theory to happen, the spectre of a nuclear holocaust was hanging over everyone, red china was still in the throes of the cultural revolution, and everywhere was an economic basket case .......
each generation has it's own problems ..... but hope comes with love. If a couple in love with each other can have the hopes of a good future together, why can't this couple harbour the same hopes of a good future for any offsprings they might have ?
in my parent's time, they fell in love, and that's it ! Love can conquer everything ... my dad was still in tertiary education then. no honeymoon, no house, no car, no hotel wedding banquets. My mom moved into the kampung house my dad shared with his parents and 6 other siblings. It was 6 years before they got their first place.
forward to now, some people can't seem to want to marry unless all the prerequisites were in place ...... whatever happened to old fashioned romance ? Our parents slogged their asses off so they could provide well for us ...... but our generation slogs our asses off so we could provide well for ...... us ?
I'm kinda glad my parents never did the numbers crunching before they had me .... else I certainly wouldn't be here.
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That's coz these days people put themselves first and are no longer as sacrificial in spirit.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
and just like I said, that's why it's sad. In a third world shithole, like the manila slum they described in the sunday times few weeks back, prospective parents must chose between feeding themselves or feeding the children .... in here, or at least for the people in club 30, the trade off is between a more luxurious lifestyle and feeding a kid ...... see what I'm saying ?
Are you having cold feet at the prospect of having a cub, pinky ?
well, of course, after all, that would be a decision you two would have to make, but just remember, there's a difference between the "can" and the "want" .... the desire to have a kid, or not, may change, but there's an expiry date on the production line ......
one of the biggest regret that i have is that I didn't get to meet fatumnette sooner. The bio clock is ticking for us. And we don't even contemplate if we'd have the luxury to save up for a few years more for any children. We can only hope that we won't run out of time.
The only reason I'm having a cub coz MPB wants one
I'm cool if we don't have a cub at all. I don't even like kids. I avoid them at any cost.
I don't even play with my little nieces or nephews and their screams give me a headache.
And when I look at the costs it just turns me off even more
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I"ve always had cold feet having a cub
The thought of losing my figure and getting stretch marks scare the hell out of me
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Originally posted by elindra:
The only reason I'm having a cub coz MPB wants one
I'm cool if we don't have a cub at all. I don't even like kids. I avoid them at any cost.
I don't even play with my little nieces or nephews and their screams give me a headache.
And when I look at the costs it just turns me off even more
didn't some fortune teller foretell that you're gonna have 3 cubs ? ...... and wasn't he right on the other stuff too ? ......
so no point fighting fate, pinky ...... if you're gonna have 3, that probably would mean you find motherhood very, very satisfying in the future .....
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Originally posted by Fatum:
didn't some fortune teller foretell that you're gonna have 3 cubs ? ...... and wasn't he right on the other stuff too ? ......
so no point fighting fate, pinky ...... if you're gonna have 3, that probably would mean you find motherhood very, very satisfying in the future .....
so....pinky is screwed?
..............that CB fortune teller I went to had better be wrong
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Originally posted by av98m:
so....pinky is screwed?
..............that CB fortune teller I went to had better be wrong
what did he say ? ......4, 5, 10 kids ? ....
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Originally posted by Fatum:
didn't some fortune teller foretell that you're gonna have 3 cubs ? ...... and wasn't he right on the other stuff too ? ......
so no point fighting fate, pinky ...... if you're gonna have 3, that probably would mean you find motherhood very, very satisfying in the future .....
Right on the other stuff? I don't know about that man. The only thing I know they are right about is that MPB loves me more than I love him.Maybe he's talking about my 3 tortoises, Sheldon, Amber & Jasper
I treat them like my babies
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Originally posted by Fatum:
what did he say ? ......4, 5, 10 kids ? ....
2 boys by the time I'm 39.
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Oh ya Fatum
It might not be because I love kids
It could be because I kenna triplets which is sibei suay