Toyota Crown vs Nissan Cedric
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Yup..Nissan + Datsun = NissanOriginally posted by sbst275:Thought aren't they the same? I mean Datsun was Nissan's predessor?
BTW Nissan is popular in Japan. -
Compared to the newer & current ones, the Toyota Crowns (with the M-B like rear lampset) from the 80's era i find much more likeable than those nowadays.
Unlike the present junky ones, these 80's era Crowns i find them much more quieter & less vibrasive & harsh, especially with the T-bar automatic gearbox, which SBS did have a few units with. Performance is slow but what impressed me is that for its time being a diesel car, it was on the 'quiet' side of things, like the M-B diesel taxis of that era. The engine bulkhead insulation i believe was much better than the newer Crowns later on.
Overall find the old 80's Crown a better balanced car than the new ones !
The new ones look ugly (although space functional) have limited performance with high NVH (noise vibration harshness) levels & too spartan interior trim etc. In essence, big car yes but a lousy junky one more fit for the scrapyard than on the roads here !
The current Nissan Cedrics appears less spacious but looks more 'normal' but has the same 'old type' diesel engine 'problems' of high NVH levels with low performance. Suspension ride comfort of both about same i.e. not to European standards of course.Originally posted by JJxJJ:i like the older crowns
dont see em anymore 
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So u mean the older ones is nicer?Originally posted by hseochin:Compared to the newer & current ones, the Toyota Crowns (with the M-B like rear lampset) from the 80's era i find much more likeable than those nowadays.
Unlike the present junky ones, these 80's era Crowns i find them much more quieter & less vibrasive & harsh, especially with the T-bar automatic gearbox, which SBS did have a few units with. Performance is slow but what impressed me is that for its time being a diesel car, it was on the 'quiet' side of things, like the M-B diesel taxis of that era. The engine bulkhead insulation i believe was much better than the newer Crowns later on.
Overall find the old 80's Crown a better balanced car than the new ones !
The new ones look ugly (although space functional) have limited performance with high NVH (noise vibration harshness) levels & too spartan interior trim etc. In essence, big car yes but a lousy junky one more fit for the scrapyard than on the roads here !
The current Nissan Cedrics appears less spacious but looks more 'normal' but has the same 'old type' diesel engine 'problems' of high NVH levels with low performance. Suspension ride comfort of both about same i.e. not to European standards of course. -
Personally i'll still prefer their older ones those from the 80's era with M-B like rear lampsets (with automatic or manual gearboxes though i prefer automatic) as overall those appear overall more 'refined' cars than the present ones !Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:So u mean the older ones is nicer?
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I can't remember how the 1980s Toyota Crowns looked like. If I'm not wrong, there were two versions, weren't there? Anyway, the Crowns disappeared for a while, only to reappear from 1994 onwards with a different look.Originally posted by hseochin:Personally i'll still prefer their older ones those from the 80's era with M-B like rear lampsets (with automatic or manual gearboxes though i prefer automatic) as overall those appear overall more 'refined' cars than the present ones ! -
The MB Taxis are no good.
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The M-B taxis have always been good, in their respective times.
Meaning the W115 in the 1960's to the W123 in the 1970's.
I found their suspension ride comfort 1st class, spaciousness above-average compared to all other taxis of the era. Performance & noise vibration harshness levels also not worse than the rest !
Nowadays with the W211 E 220, this light years ahead of the rest of the taxi fleet here ! So much so after taking this model, one can forget about driving most of the petrol engined cars around nowadays anymore.Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:The MB Taxis are no good. -
I have test driven the E220 CDI must say its better to drive than even the petrol engined E240 and E200 ... you be amazed with the low end torque it can muster !! It is silent and refined .. its a treat both to drive and to be driven in!!
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Manual gear maintenance lower .Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Why taxis cannot have automatic gear?
Gear box for auto cost a bomb to maintain . -
Crown seat is slightly higher than Cedric .
Crown is overall lighter than Cedric . In terms of cornering , Cedric is safer than Crown . Crown tends to swerve a bit when cornering . Due to it's light weight .
In engineering terms , Crown needs another 30 kg at the rear to have a better balance .
Crown has better pick up .
Due to it's electronic fuel injection , Crown has a relatively smoother pick-up , without too much jerks ! Only the 3.2 litre Cedric has those fuel injection thing .
In terms of interior , Crown has a broader space behind , comapre to Cedric , which is much lesser leg space .
Crown's boot is good for luggage , 'cos it not really deep inside . Cedric tends to have a deeper boot , which tends to have problem with bulky luggages.
Crown engine is more durable , less smoke omission . Cheaper to maintain , due to it's cheaper parts than Cedric's ! -
Well..i Do See a television programme and in Japan they show a Nissan Cedric (simirlar to SG) but the Doors were fully automatic and they use the auto gear and the auto lock.Originally posted by Poolman:Manual gear maintenance lower .
Gear box for auto cost a bomb to maintain . -
So you're saying the Cedric diesel taxis here does NOT have fuel-injection ??
Then how is the fuel administered since it's obviously diesel not petrol engine ??Originally posted by Poolman:Crown seat is slightly higher than Cedric .
Crown is overall lighter than Cedric . In terms of cornering , Cedric is safer than Crown . Crown tends to swerve a bit when cornering . Due to it's light weight .
In engineering terms , Crown needs another 30 kg at the rear to have a better balance .
Crown has better pick up .
Due to it's electronic fuel injection , Crown has a relatively smoother pick-up , without too much jerks ! Only the 3.2 litre Cedric has those fuel injection thing .
In terms of interior , Crown has a broader space behind , comapre to Cedric , which is much lesser leg space .
Crown's boot is good for luggage , 'cos it not really deep inside . Cedric tends to have a deeper boot , which tends to have problem with bulky luggages.
Crown engine is more durable , less smoke omission . Cheaper to maintain , due to it's cheaper parts than Cedric's ! -
You tried the W210/211 series, or both ??
I notice in the later W211 E 220, they got rid of the resonance which comes 'off & on' on the W210 E 220 so the 4-cylinder is now even more smoother running & quieter than before.
If buying for private car use (ignoring the effect of the stupid tax disincentives against private diesel cars here !) i'll select the E 220 or the latest 3-litre V6 diesels over even the petrol E 320. The E 240 is to me an 'inefficient' E 260 model re-labelled 'lower' so as not to make it appear too 'inferior' compared to the latest diesel models ! The E 200 Kompressor is hardly worth considering after having 'tasted' any of these new diesels !! I find the new diesel engines become quieter & smoother running when revved while the Kompressor petrol engine noisier & more harsh when revved ! The days when a diesel 'have to' be inferior to a petrol model are long gone. Diesel technology have advanced very significantly in recent years while petrol technology to me seems to be 'stagnating' !
When you say test driven, have you driven it on a test road in Tuas before ?
I've been told that some taxi drivers here did comparation tests of the various taxi models here on that road & the W210 E 250 could reach ~ 200 km/h.
Appears to me there still many people here who still think the performance of the newer generation diesel taxis here have not changed much compared to the Toyotas, Nissans or those 30 year old W115 M-B taxis in Malaysia. After this experience, i believe they got 're-educated' on their out-dated perceptions !Originally posted by seancannot:I have test driven the E220 CDI must say its better to drive than even the petrol engined E240 and E200 ... you be amazed with the low end torque it can muster !! It is silent and refined .. its a treat both to drive and to be driven in!! -
Just like on citybuses, i consider manual gear more for the lower performing engines while those with higher performance engines match better with automatic gear !
Any higher costs to me more than justified due to the much smoother gearchanges & generally quieter ride with less time spent on higher engine speeds.Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Well..i Do See a television programme and in Japan they show a Nissan Cedric (simirlar to SG) but the Doors were fully automatic and they use the auto gear and the auto lock. -
It's the same la . Diesel or petrol . The machinism is there .Originally posted by hseochin:So you're saying the Cedric diesel taxis here does NOT have fuel-injection ??
Then how is the fuel administered since it's obviously diesel not petrol engine ??
When you accelerate , it manually transmit the fuel into the engine for Cedric . The more you accelerate , the most fuel used .
Electronic fuel injection is about fuel tranmission fluency into the horse-power of the engine . Consumption also lower for EFI !
But I think the newer 3.2L Cedric now does have electronic fuel injections . -
In modern times, whether diesel or petrol engine, fuel-injection is nowdays very common, almost standard in the case of the petrol engines.
But for diesel, i've not come across a diesel engine (even quite old model)
which is not fuel-injected ?!? I do believe fuel-injection has been a standard feature on diesel engines since the start of their existenence while on petrol engines, some still uses carburettors.Originally posted by Poolman:It's the same la . Diesel or petrol . The machinism is there .
When you accelerate , it manually transmit the fuel into the engine for Cedric . The more you accelerate , the most fuel used .
Electronic fuel injection is about fuel tranmission fluency into the horse-power of the engine . Consumption also lower for EFI !
But I think the newer 3.2L Cedric now does have electronic fuel injections . -
Don't like both. Nothing compares to a W211 E220CDi
But given a choice, I'd choose the Cedric. Not as common as the Crown so not as peeved upon seeing it.
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I'll agree.
Maybe the model better than E 220 would be the new E 300, with 3-litre V6 cDi Euro-4, which i believe is a modular developed engine based on the outgoing 4-litre V8 Euro-3 cDi as used on the S 400. In the M-B world of diesel cars nowadays, one's tends to be looking @ 0-100 km/h in the range of 6 to 9 seconds only even for a car weighing 1.5 to 2 tons !
In such company, i'll forsee both the Cedric & Crown screaming their ancient engines out till the whole neighbourhood knows they're on the roads, but still trailing quite far behind !!Originally posted by SBS9818A:Don't like both. Nothing compares to a W211 E220CDi
But given a choice, I'd choose the Cedric. Not as common as the Crown so not as peeved upon seeing it. -
crown have so much better leg room behind.
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That means the Crown needs to have a rear passenger all the time!Originally posted by Poolman:
In engineering terms , Crown needs another 30 kg at the rear to have a better balance .
Crown has better pick up . -
Just today, I saw the front tires of a Toyota Crown lock up while the driver was braking to avoid bumping the car in front of him. Road was wet, with a loud screech. Gave me a shock.
Talked to a Nissan Cedric driver today and he said his car is stable at high speeds compared to a Crown, but the Crown has better pickup. -
heh...i still remember one day when a Corona highbeam my cousin...
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Perth's Ford Falcon cabs use auto gear. Also, the Falcons have better suspension than Japanese makes.Originally posted by Poolman:Manual gear maintenance lower .
Gear box for auto cost a bomb to maintain . -
i took HK Crown taxis before but the engine sounds different from Singapore Crown taxis.
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Cedrics is Better than Crowns...
but Corona more better