Read this as well for information on the important functions of the foreskin:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/
The foreskin is not something "redundant". It has its purposes in our overall sexual needs.
Originally posted by lysy:oh....ic but at what age were you operaten on.
i am guessing 5-7 ??
Why don't you just chop it off ?
Are you asking me or Iysy?
If its me, I have already explained the reasons and dun wish to repeat myself.
For those who keep thinking the foreskin is just a useless piece of meat that should be just snipped away as and when you like, pls think twice.
Originally posted by antievildoer:Are you asking me or Iysy?
If its me, I have already explained the reasons and dun wish to repeat myself.
For those who keep thinking the foreskin is just a useless piece of meat that should be just snipped away as and when you like, pls think twice.
Did i quote you ? ...
no, you din quote me. you quoted someone else but ask him a question of which the answer is already there, so I thought you might be trying to ask me a question but quote the other guy by mistake.
Originally posted by antievildoer:Read this as well for information on the important functions of the foreskin:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/
The foreskin is not something "redundant". It has its purposes in our overall sexual needs.
Why not you read this as well?
Thanks for sharing the article. In research studies on any topics, I do acknowledge there is always two sides of argument to a situation. Besides the two articles I brought up, I must have read at least a dozen more such studies throwing questionable doubts on circumcision and the important functions of the foreskin. I do not doubt there could be other benefits of circumcision, but for me, why take a chance if there is other alternative solutions which could solve the same problem and may bring about certain benefits?
actually, $2500 is very expensive (btw, i'm the "chap" who started a circumcision thread once at: http://www.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/313205)
i have severe phimosis in that my penis when erect is around 5"5 (14 cm), but my foreskin can only pull back less than 0.1 cm at most, and even then, it's a bit uncomfortable.
will Preputioplasty work in my case? i don't have any infection whatsoever.
actually, i prefer a circumcised penis over a non-circumcised one, because circumcised one looks a lot nicer, but the greatest fear i've is that if you circumcised as adult, the sex experience will be greatly affected due to the constant rubbing of the forehead's glans against underwear.
i'm very scared of not being able to enjoy sex anymore, and worse still, i won't even get erect (or will have soft erection) when i see porn.
for those people who have circumcised during older-teenage years or during adulthood, do you still get aroused when you see porn? are you still able to get erection when you masturbate?
also, i wonder if anyone is going for circumcision this year's end (around nov or dec 08).
i need some moral encourage because now i'm the only one going (nobody else including my family knows about it).
i'm planning to take 3 - 4 days leave and go for laser circumcision (more expensive than traditional circumcision but heals faster and less pain, nicer-looking results), but everytime i think of it, i really freak out.
if anyone plans to go, maybe we can support each other.
Originally posted by Nikar 3:the sex experience will be greatly affected due to the constant rubbing of the forehead's glans against underwear.
Having only been circumcised about 2 months ago, I can tell you that the loss of sensitivity after circumcision is NOT mostly due to the rubbing of the exposed glans against underwear. It is in fact, the style of your circumcision. You see, I was circumcised low and moderately tight. Look what they mean if you don't know. Basically, my scar is near the glans (low) and quite a bit of skin was snipped away, hence moderately tight. Hence, a lot of my inner foreskin was cut away as compared to the outer shaft skin. Therefore, my loss of sensitivity was because of the inner skin being cut away. Anyway, you can request for a different circumcision style. Also, I swear by the sensitivity of the scar itself, it's so sensitive, it's sometimes painful to stroke it.
i'm very scared of not being able to enjoy sex anymore, and worse still, i won't even get erect (or will have soft erection) when i see porn.
Of course you'll be able to enjoy sex and get erections.
do you still get aroused when you see porn? are you still able to get erection when you masturbate?
Answered above.
i need some moral encourage because now i'm the only one going (nobody else including my family knows about it).
I underwent that situation too. My doctor told me I needed the operation so I went for it without telling anyone including my family because you just don't go to your mom saying that your foreskin is too tight. You need inner courage. If you're set about the health benefits it will bring, go for it. Trust me, the only time you're afraid would be while you're lying on the operation table itself. Then afer the sedative is given, you won't feel anything, just a little sore, numb and sensitive that's all.
Click on the "Show Quote" button to see my post. Cause I answered it in your quote.
Originally posted by Nikar 3:actually, $2500 is very expensive (btw, i'm the "chap" who started a circumcision thread once at: http://www.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/313205)
i have severe phimosis in that my penis when erect is around 5"5 (14 cm), but my foreskin can only pull back less than 0.1 cm at most, and even then, it's a bit uncomfortable.
will Preputioplasty work in my case? i don't have any infection whatsoever.
actually, i prefer a circumcised penis over a non-circumcised one, because circumcised one looks a lot nicer, but the greatest fear i've is that if you circumcised as adult, the sex experience will be greatly affected due to the constant rubbing of the forehead's glans against underwear.
i'm very scared of not being able to enjoy sex anymore, and worse still, i won't even get erect (or will have soft erection) when i see porn.
for those people who have circumcised during older-teenage years or during adulthood, do you still get aroused when you see porn? are you still able to get erection when you masturbate?
also, i wonder if anyone is going for circumcision this year's end (around nov or dec 08).
i need some moral encourage because now i'm the only one going (nobody else including my family knows about it).
i'm planning to take 3 - 4 days leave and go for laser circumcision (more expensive than traditional circumcision but heals faster and less pain, nicer-looking results), but everytime i think of it, i really freak out.
if anyone plans to go, maybe we can support each other.
i am thinking of going for one end of this year as i am also suffering the same medical condition. Btw where do u get laser circumcision..... and can anyone recommend where to get it done privately?
(Plsdunbanme)
Having only been circumcised about 2 months ago, I can tell you that the loss of sensitivity after circumcision is NOT mostly due to the rubbing of the exposed glans against underwear. It is in fact, the style of your circumcision. You see, I was circumcised low and moderately tight. Look what they mean if you don't know. Basically, my scar is near the glans (low) and quite a bit of skin was snipped away, hence moderately tight. Hence, a lot of my inner foreskin was cut away as compared to the outer shaft skin. Therefore, my loss of sensitivity was because of the inner skin being cut away. Anyway, you can request for a different circumcision style. Also, I swear by the sensitivity of the scar itself, it's so sensitive, it's sometimes painful to stroke it.
thanks a lot for your reply. i've quite a bit of questions to ask you, so hope you don't mind. If you could advise, i'm very sure your answers will help a lot of people who'll be undergoing circumcision soon (like me and Kenshin).
questions:
1) when you go see the doctor, the doctor will advise on the circumcision style and let you choose by showing you pictures?
2) is your scar big and visible? i assume it must look really gross and the penis is kind of "disfigured"? Where's the scar in your case and how big (approx in cm?)
i'm scared to freak out my future gf / wife.
the only time you're afraid would be while you're lying on the operation table itself. Then afer the sedative is given, you won't feel anything, just a little sore, numb and sensitive that's all.
3) so, they apply the anaethesia to numb only penis area while you're awake?
4) is yours the traditional circumcision or the laser one?
5) how long did your surgery take? 15 mins? 25 mins?
6) did you complete the surgery on the 1st time you saw doctor? (as in, you see him the 1st time and you do surgery on the same day)
7) after anaethesia wears off, is it very painful? if very painful, for how many days?
8) did you wear sarong after operation? or just loose underwear?
9) after surgery, when you go home to bath and the water touches the wound, does it hurt?
10) after surgery, does the wound bleed etc.? (i don't want my mom to see my bloodied underwear)
11) did you have problems walking or walking fast?
12) during operation, is the doctor the only one in the room? or are there female nurses?
13) could you provide the address / doctor name where you did the operation?
14) how much did the surgery cost?
15) did you regret going for circumcision?
thanks a lot.
To Kenshin_Himura: I found this website at: urologycentre.com.sg.......the doctor is Ho Siew Hong and seems quite good. I may be going to him as he offers laser circumcision and i'm very scared of the traditional type.
Wow? Circumcision scares me. >_>
Hi Nikar 3,
Dr Ho Siew Hong is the doctor whom I'm planning to consult for my Phimosis problem. He offers Preputioplasty as well at his clinic. I will go for Preputioplasty unless after examination he feels circumcision is better for me. His fees are not cheap by the way. But I feel is well worth it as he is a specialist and expert in this subject.
Hi Nikar 3,
I think Iam worse off than you. Mine is not even retractable by 0.1cm.
Yes, $2500 is expensive if compared to circumcision. But look at it this way, circumcision is a bit like shaving your head bald or performing a crew cut on your head and preputioplasty is much like trimming your hair with a style of which not any barber can do. Which is going to cost a lot more? Circumcision is even available at some GPs whereas Preptioplasty is only available at very selective medical places as it is more difficult to do. I will only trust specialists for such a procedure and have chanced upon Dr Ho who seems to possess high credentials in the area of Urology.
I dun think Iam going to be bothered by the appearance of my penis. Iam also inclined to believe Preputioplasty is likely to work for most cases after reading quite a number of feedback from patients who have undergone this procedure in overseas.
For your concerns abt circumcision, here are some articles(besides those that I posted earlier):
http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_lost.html
http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_unhappy.html
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/
I do not want to be here concluding Preputioplasty is going to be better for everyone. But I feel if you have concerns, do give it a thorough thought first before making that decision. Please note that once circumcision is done, the process is irreversible. There are people who after doing circumcision, wanted to do a foreskin restoration. http://www.norm-uk.org/foreskin_restoration.html
If you ask medical doctors such as Dr Ho whether sexual pleasure would be loss with circumcision, he will likely tell you there's no concrete medical evidence that suggest so. Most doctors will tell you that as most medical researches usually will only be able to throw reasonable doubts or findings on a subject but is often not conclusive enough for certain declaration to be made. But that is not to say some of the conjectures made by certain researches has got absolutely no truth in it or has no basis in it whatsoever. You know what I mean right?
Just to let you know also that I originally wanted to do this procedure (Preputioplasty) by end Nov/Dec this yr but will now postponed this to sometime in 1st Quarter to Mid 2009 as I will be too tied down with work committments in End 2008 as I will be joining a new company in Oct 2008 and it will not be good for me to take leave at that time. Do let me know what are you thoughts...
In life, I always feel things happen for a reason...as such, I feel the presence of foreskin on our penis is there for a reason too...But if situation dictates that Circumcision is the only alternative, then I will go for it...Let's see how is the outcome of consulation by Dr Ho..
(antievildoer)
Dr Ho Siew Hong is the doctor whom I'm planning to consult for my Phimosis problem. He offers Preputioplasty as well at his clinic. I will go for Preputioplasty unless after examination he feels circumcision is better for me. His fees are not cheap by the way. But I feel is well worth it as he is a specialist and expert in this subject.
same here! i've contacted Dr Ho some time ago by e-mail and found that the circumcision surgergy is around S$1500.
I think Iam worse off than you. Mine is not even retractable by 0.1cm.
i think we're about the same.....mine can retract 0.1 cm but only if i tried to pull it back really hard (it hurts a lot), and after a while, it will go back again.
my problem is not just phimosis, but the foreskin is kinda long too.
so, for my case, i'm not sure if preputioplasty is better or circumcision.
Yes, $2500 is expensive if compared to circumcision. But look at it this way, circumcision is a bit like shaving your head bald or performing a crew cut on your head and preputioplasty is much like trimming your hair with a style of which not any barber can do.
$2500 is very expensive since i'm not a rich guy, and $2500 = nearly 2 months of my salary
my main goal of going for the surgery, regardless of whether it's preputioplasty or circumcision, is to fix my phimosis problem.
more importantly, because my phimosis is quite serious, i know for sure there'll be problems during sex in future.
If preputioplasty can cure my phimosis and make my penis like others (able to retract fully etc), then i'll go for that, obviously, even though it's way more expensive, but i don't mind paying for that.
my concern is whether preputioplasty can be done on people with phimosis + slightly-longer-than-average-foreskins.
I will only trust specialists for such a procedure and have chanced upon Dr Ho who seems to possess high credentials in the area of Urology.
yeah, i don't trust any GPs to do such jobs.....it's the penis we're talking about and anything goes wrong, your entire life's happiness for the remaining 20 - 35 years will be gone. This Dr Ho, i've read a bit about him and he's been in this line for 14 years, so should be ok.
I dun think Iam going to be bothered by the appearance of my penis. Iam also inclined to believe Preputioplasty is likely to work for most cases after reading quite a number of feedback from patients who have undergone this procedure in overseas.
so, what made you choose preputioplasty over circumcision?
Just to let you know also that I originally wanted to do this procedure (Preputioplasty) by end Nov/Dec this yr but will now postponed this to sometime in 1st Quarter to Mid 2009 as I will be too tied down with work committments in End 2008 as I will be joining a new company in Oct 2008 and it will not be good for me to take leave at that time. Do let me know what are you thoughts...
yeah, that's what i'm thinking.....i wanted to do circumcision this Nov 08 but it's one of the greatest decision in my life and i don't think i'm ready for it, because i want to read more about preputioplasty and circumcision first before deciding whether they're right for me.
based on my calculations at this time, i'll most likely visit Dr. Ho in early Jan 09.......if not, May 09.
In life, I always feel things happen for a reason...as such, I feel the presence of foreskin on our penis is there for a reason too...But if situation dictates that Circumcision is the only alternative, then I will go for it...Let's see how is the outcome of consulation by Dr Ho..
so, you'll be going to see him for consultation this coming weeks?
sometimes, i really wish i was circumcised when i was a kid so that i won't have these problems.
Originally posted by Nikar 3:questions:
1) when you go see the doctor, the doctor will advise on the circumcision style and let you choose by showing you pictures?
2) is your scar big and visible? i assume it must look really gross and the penis is kind of "disfigured"? Where's the scar in your case and how big (approx in cm?)
i'm scared to freak out my future gf / wife.
3) so, they apply the anaethesia to numb only penis area while you're awake?
4) is yours the traditional circumcision or the laser one?
5) how long did your surgery take? 15 mins? 25 mins?
6) did you complete the surgery on the 1st time you saw doctor? (as in, you see him the 1st time and you do surgery on the same day)
7) after anaethesia wears off, is it very painful? if very painful, for how many days?
8) did you wear sarong after operation? or just loose underwear?
9) after surgery, when you go home to bath and the water touches the wound, does it hurt?
10) after surgery, does the wound bleed etc.? (i don't want my mom to see my bloodied underwear)
11) did you have problems walking or walking fast?
12) during operation, is the doctor the only one in the room? or are there female nurses?
13) could you provide the address / doctor name where you did the operation?
14) how much did the surgery cost?
15) did you regret going for circumcision?
Answers:
1) Yes, my doctor did that. I told him I wanted a full circ when he asked me whether do I want about half a centimeter of skin left on the shaft
2) No, the scar is not big or disfigured. It is now a thin line. I can send you some photos over email if you want.
3) Yes, local anaethesia is applied through injections in that area.
4) Traditional freehand.
5) About 1 hour.
6) Yes.
7) There is no sharp pain I can tell you that. When the anaethesia is still working, all you feel is a numb and swollen thing hanging between your legs. After it wears off, there is no sharp pain, just a dull ache.
8) For the first 2 days or so I couldn't wear any underwear.
9) Cannot shower straight after surgery. You need to leave the compression bandage on for 2 - 3 days. After that, when I showered for the following week, I took extra care not to splash water or soap directly onto the wound, instead I simply let water run over it. No it didn't hurt.
10) Yes, the wound WILL bleed. But only for the first 3 days.
11) I couldn't close my legs/thighs properly after surgery, so I walked slightly awkward, I could run, but I tried not to.
12) During the operation, the nurse held my penis and assisted the doctor in handing him the scapel etc.
13) Sent this information to your mailbox.
14) $600
15) Obviously not.
Originally posted by antievildoer:Hi, anyone here ever have the condition called Phimosis before? If yes, anyone tried the surgical procedure called Preputioplasty in correcting it? How was the experience, cost and the place which you seek consultation with?
I know Circumcision is one of the most common methods used to rectify this condition but would prefer to keep the foreskin.
Pls share if anyone has experience and recommendations..thanks..
you what age?
If you have it since young, it's likely it can be corrected by natural means. Not necessary circumcision. I think sgforums Bar forum has such a thread before.
Originally posted by antievildoer:If you ask medical doctors such as Dr Ho whether sexual pleasure would be loss with circumcision, he will likely tell you there's no concrete medical evidence that suggest so. Most doctors will tell you that as most medical researches usually will only be able to throw reasonable doubts or findings on a subject but is often not conclusive enough for certain declaration to be made. But that is not to say some of the conjectures made by certain researches has got absolutely no truth in it or has no basis in it whatsoever. You know what I mean right?
As for this sentence, all I can say is that sex with and without the foreskin are two totally different worlds.
Firstly, I was circ-ed low and moderately tight, like I have said, means that my scar is just behind my glans and there is not so much skin on the shaft when flaccid. This circ means that most of my inner skin (skin that was originally the inside of the foreskin) was removed. As a result, YES, my shaft is now less sensitive that it used to be because of the loss of the inner skin.
However, it was also because of the circ, then I got my circ scar line. Most people tend to underestimate the sensitivity of a scar line. In replacement of the little inner skin I have left, the scar is so sensitive that after a few thrusts, I tend to climax. It has indeed brought newer heights of entertainment for both me and my girlfriend.
Originally posted by Nikar 3:
same here! i've contacted Dr Ho some time ago by e-mail and found that the circumcision surgergy is around S$1500.
The $1500 he is charging is for laser circumcision right? It is excessively expensive if it is for normal type of circumcision which can be done at most places for around $500-600.
my problem is not just phimosis, but the foreskin is kinda long too.
so, for my case, i'm not sure if preputioplasty is better or circumcision.
I think so far we can only speculate. Only the doc can determine which will be more suitable. Preputioplasty is a less drastic procedure but it can also mean it might have its limits as well..
$2500 is very expensive since i'm not a rich guy, and $2500 = nearly 2 months of my salary
By the way, just to let you know, of the $2500, $500 is payable by medisave. So, it will be $2000 by cash. Ok, $2000 may stilll be quite a substantial amount for lots of people, but if you start putting aside a small sum of money each month, perhaps you will have sufficient funds for it by the time you decide you want to go for this.
If preputioplasty can cure my phimosis and make my penis like others (able to retract fully etc), then i'll go for that, obviously, even though it's way more expensive, but i don't mind paying for that.
my concern is whether preputioplasty can be done on people with phimosis + slightly-longer-than-average-foreskins.
Preputioplasty is definitely an alternative treatment solution for Phimosis. This has been confirmed by Dr Ho and also some articles I came across on website. The only thing is, whether the extent of your problem can be cured by it (and also you must never have an infection before). This is something which only the doctor can determine during examination.
so, what made you choose preputioplasty over circumcision?
All along I have reservations and some fear about doing a circumcision even before I had done some research via website. Partly its the perceived pain and discomfort which puts me off (its been said that circumcision is much less painful when done young compared to when it is done as a full grown adult) and I also have this thought that the foreskin is an integral part of the sexual organ and should not be removed just like that unless absolutely necessary.
With these thoughts in my mind, I begin to explore the possibility of whether its possible to have a surgery which is less drastic than Circumcision but at the same time of which can solve my Phimosis problem as well. True enough, after researching on these topics extensively on the website, I chance upon Preputioplasty and found out that it can be an effective solution for Phimosis which allows one to keep the foreskin at same time. Also found out that it takes a shorter healing time compared to Circumcision and is also less painful. I also chanced upon various studies which cast doubts about possible side effects that can be brought about by circumcision which make the option of Preputioplasty becoming a further increasingly attractive one for me. Iam not saying Circumcision is definitely bad, but since I already have some doubts about it, why take a chance?
yeah, that's what i'm thinking.....i wanted to do circumcision this Nov 08 but it's one of the greatest decision in my life and i don't think i'm ready for it, because i want to read more about preputioplasty and circumcision first before deciding whether they're right for me.
based on my calculations at this time, i'll most likely visit Dr. Ho in early Jan 09.......if not, May 09.
so, you'll be going to see him for consultation this coming weeks?
I will be seeing him for consultation nearer to the time of surgery. As I have decided I will not be going for the surgery anytime within this year, so I will probably see him perhaps sometime in Jan or Feb 09 for a consultation. Depending on my work committments and schedule, I might go for the surgery sometime within March-May 09..Perhaps we can go together if both our schedule can fit in together?
Originally posted by eagle:you what age?
If you have it since young, it's likely it can be corrected by natural means. Not necessary circumcision. I think sgforums Bar forum has such a thread before.
I dunno if this might shock anyone, but Iam in my early 30's. I have tried various method by natural means such as stretching. But it just din work...
Originally posted by PlzDunBanMe:As for this sentence, all I can say is that sex with and without the foreskin are two totally different worlds.
Firstly, I was circ-ed low and moderately tight, like I have said, means that my scar is just behind my glans and there is not so much skin on the shaft when flaccid. This circ means that most of my inner skin (skin that was originally the inside of the foreskin) was removed. As a result, YES, my shaft is now less sensitive that it used to be because of the loss of the inner skin.
However, it was also because of the circ, then I got my circ scar line. Most people tend to underestimate the sensitivity of a scar line. In replacement of the little inner skin I have left, the scar is so sensitive that after a few thrusts, I tend to climax. It has indeed brought newer heights of entertainment for both me and my girlfriend.
Good for you that the circumcision went well for you...but Iam wondering if this can be easily replicated on different individuals or would the results vary..
I had Phimosis and I got myself circumcised when I was 17 years old. U can tell the doctor not to circumcised your penis to tighty and to leave a little more skin. That's what I did. When my penis is flacid the foreskin covers 3/4 of the penis head and when it's errect the head is exposed. This way my penis head is still protected and I don't lose the sensitivity.
Hi, thanks for your advice..where did you have it done by the way?
I supposed you did a laser circumcision? I read somewhere tat laser circumcision allows more precise amount of foreskin removal compared to conventional circumcision(antievildoer)
The $1500 he is charging is for laser circumcision right? It is excessively expensive if it is for normal type of circumcision which can be done at most places for around $500-600.
yeah, it's for laser circumcision. if it's for normal circumcision and he charge S$1500, then god bless him.
I will be seeing him for consultation nearer to the time of surgery. As I have decided I will not be going for the surgery anytime within this year, so I will probably see him perhaps sometime in Jan or Feb 09 for a consultation. Depending on my work committments and schedule, I might go for the surgery sometime within March-May 09..Perhaps we can go together if both our schedule can fit in together?
thanks for your thoughts, but i'm kinda too shy to go together.
i think i'll go by myself. :)
To PlsDunBanMe: in your earlier post, you mention that the female nurse held your penis while the doctor performs the surgery.
what i like to know is, don't you feel shy or even totally awkward when she's holding it?
seriously, although i'm scared of the pain, i'm even more scared of the thought of letting the nurse do that sort of thing......it really freaks me out, especially if the nurse is a young one.
if only Dr Ho has a male nurse or something. haiz
Originally posted by Nikar 3:(antievildoer)
yeah, it's for laser circumcision. if it's for normal circumcision and he charge S$1500, then god bless him.
thanks for your thoughts, but i'm kinda too shy to go together.
i think i'll go by myself. :)
To PlsDunBanMe: in your earlier post, you mention that the female nurse held your penis while the doctor performs the surgery.
what i like to know is, don't you feel shy or even totally awkward when she's holding it?
seriously, although i'm scared of the pain, i'm even more scared of the thought of letting the nurse do that sort of thing......it really freaks me out, especially if the nurse is a young one.
if only Dr Ho has a male nurse or something. haiz