[Sunday Times] Unhelpful students on bus
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I saw this guy moving around using a unicycle at my campus... I feel like grabbing a few tennis balls and throw at him so that he can juggle them.. then play the circus theme in the backgroundOriginally posted by rainee:yea, but dats not the point. someone is saying that everyone overseas has a car and is using it to move around, hence no need to depend on public transport...
if u have a car and use it for only the reasons u mentioned above, then they wud still need some other ways to move around rite? w/o using their own car?
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From MOST people have cars, you have twisted it to EVERYONE has a car.Originally posted by rainee:yea, but dats not the point. someone is saying that everyone overseas has a car and is using it to move around, hence no need to depend on public transport...
if u have a car and use it for only the reasons u mentioned above, then they wud still need some other ways to move around rite? w/o using their own car?
Haiz, becomes my fault lah that people with cars are squeezing their butts with you on public transportation. -
I where got say it is your fault?Originally posted by charlize:From MOST people have cars, you have twisted it to EVERYONE has a car.
Haiz, becomes my fault lah that people with cars are squeezing their butts with you on public transportation. -
You've hurt my feelings.Originally posted by rainee:I where got say it is your fault?
Hurt deep deep. -
This article was published only because the level of courtesy in SG has gone down and some finger-pointing needs doing.
Two mistakes i saw in her article.
(1):
As a typical singaporean, i saw how she carefully worded her article. But she clearly implied that she EXPECTED the youths to GIVE UP THEIR SEAT for her.
(2):
She did not OPEN HER MOUTH AND ASK for a seat, to which i am sure, the youths would have graciously given to her to support her one-handed act.
In the nanny state that is SG, after being spoon fed by the nanny for too long, we have forgotten how to open our golden mouths unless asked.
Who are we to expect our society to change overnight? Should the average singaporeans with a snap of the finger change from walking trolls to smiling mother Theresas?
And then when such an incident draws the irk one fellow citizen, they conveniently pour scorn on our less than courteous people for a demonstration in ignorance just to vent their frustration.
Haven't we seen the rushing in/out at the opening of MRT doors?
Have we not seen the impatience of our local drivers on the road?
Have we not witnessed the disgusting rudeness of our service industry?
How different are these?
Society evolves gradually.
German efficiency wasn't born overnight. Neither was New Zealand warmth and friendliness. -
like dat is my fault la?Originally posted by charlize:You've hurt my feelings.
Hurt deep deep. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
The highlighted part is very true
This article was published only because the level of courtesy in SG has gone down and some finger-pointing needs doing.
Two mistakes i saw in her article.
[b](1):
As a typical singaporean, i saw how she carefully worded her article. But she clearly implied that she EXPECTED the youths to GIVE UP THEIR SEAT for her.
(2):
She did not OPEN HER MOUTH AND ASK for a seat, to which i am sure, the youths would have graciously given to her to support her one-handed act.
In the nanny state that is SG, after being spoon fed by the nanny for too long, we have forgotten how to open our golden mouths unless asked.
Who are we to expect our society to change overnight? Should the average singaporeans with a snap of the finger change from walking trolls to smiling mother Theresas?
And then when such an incident draws the irk one fellow citizen, they conveniently pour scorn on our less than courteous people for a demonstration in ignorance just to vent their frustration.
Haven't we seen the rushing in/out at the opening of MRT doors?
Have we not seen the impatience of our local drivers on the road?
Have we not witnessed the disgusting rudeness of our service industry?
How different are these?
Society evolves gradually.
German efficiency wasn't born overnight. Neither was New Zealand warmth and friendliness.
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Originally posted by BillyBong:
yay!!!
This article was published only because the level of courtesy in SG has gone down and some finger-pointing needs doing.
Two mistakes i saw in her article.
[b](1):
As a typical singaporean, i saw how she carefully worded her article. But she clearly implied that she EXPECTED the youths to GIVE UP THEIR SEAT for her.
(2):
She did not OPEN HER MOUTH AND ASK for a seat, to which i am sure, the youths would have graciously given to her to support her one-handed act.
In the nanny state that is SG, after being spoon fed by the nanny for too long, we have forgotten how to open our golden mouths unless asked.
Who are we to expect our society to change overnight? Should the average singaporeans with a snap of the finger change from walking trolls to smiling mother Theresas?
And then when such an incident draws the irk one fellow citizen, they conveniently pour scorn on our less than courteous people for a demonstration in ignorance just to vent their frustration.
Haven't we seen the rushing in/out at the opening of MRT doors?
Have we not seen the impatience of our local drivers on the road?
Have we not witnessed the disgusting rudeness of our service industry?
How different are these?
Society evolves gradually.
German efficiency wasn't born overnight. Neither was New Zealand warmth and friendliness.
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Unhelpful students on bus
lwfee's response to Mdm Lee:
The attitudes and values of some university students here are a cause for concern.
On Sept 23, my husband and I boarded SBS bus service 95 with our 18-month old son at the North Buona Vista bus stop at about 11:30am.
The bus was packed with students from the National University of Singapore.
I was carrying my son and standing directly in front of a group of three undergraduates (two boys and a girl).
I expected at least one of them to offer us a seat, as I was carrying my child in one arm and holding on to the bus pole with the other, but none of them bothered to do so.
They did not have any heavy things on them, so they could have offered a seat.
But they just stared at me and my son.
It's sad to see that none of these young people - who are supposed to be part of Singapore's elite - showed any desire to help others in need.
This incident makes me wonder if there is something wrong with our education system, or even with our family values.
Have we been too concerned with the paper chase and grades, that we've ignored the importance of inculcating good values in our children?
Yvonne Lee (Mdm)
Mdm, Nobody OWES you a seat. If someone offers you their seat, then he deserves to be lauded. If he doesn't then fair enough. He certainly, i feel, doesn't deserves to be censured.
Your notions of what constitutes 'good values' might be very different to that of others. Case in point, i think you are a presumtuous, whining person, often given to bouts of self-pity.
I agree with you on one point: There is surely something wrong with the system. This is esp so when someone *expects* a complete stranger to act positively in their interests, even when that person has not asked the stranger to so act, and when that person actually seeks to censure the stranger for not so acting. -
Yes.Originally posted by rainee:like dat is my fault la?
100% yes. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
Agree in principle. 2nd last sentence is, however, perhaps outdated. Germany is now infamous for being incredibly beareaucratic and inefficient. Germany is still clinging on to its industrial heritage, in the misguided hope that this will save jobs. All this suggests that Germany, at least at a state level, is infact, very inefficient.
This article was published only because the level of courtesy in SG has gone down and some finger-pointing needs doing.
Two mistakes i saw in her article.
[b](1):
As a typical singaporean, i saw how she carefully worded her article. But she clearly implied that she EXPECTED the youths to GIVE UP THEIR SEAT for her.
(2):
She did not OPEN HER MOUTH AND ASK for a seat, to which i am sure, the youths would have graciously given to her to support her one-handed act.
In the nanny state that is SG, after being spoon fed by the nanny for too long, we have forgotten how to open our golden mouths unless asked.
Who are we to expect our society to change overnight? Should the average singaporeans with a snap of the finger change from walking trolls to smiling mother Theresas?
And then when such an incident draws the irk one fellow citizen, they conveniently pour scorn on our less than courteous people for a demonstration in ignorance just to vent their frustration.
Haven't we seen the rushing in/out at the opening of MRT doors?
Have we not seen the impatience of our local drivers on the road?
Have we not witnessed the disgusting rudeness of our service industry?
How different are these?
Society evolves gradually.
German efficiency wasn't born overnight. Neither was New Zealand warmth and friendliness.
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Really? This is news indeed.Originally posted by lwflee:Agree in principle. 2nd last sentence is, however, perhaps outdated. Germany is now infamous for being incredibly beareaucratic and inefficient. Germany is still clinging on to its industrial heritage, in the misguided hope that this will save jobs. All this suggests that Germany, at least at a state level, is infact, very inefficient.
I just came back from a business meeting with french and germans in Frankfurt and as far as their presentation and work ethics are concerned, they are a different species.... -
it is a considerate gesture to give yr seat to needy.Originally posted by ^HaRu^:u never know... last time i offered my seat.. n i got snubbed.. most probably the three university students are afraid of being rejected if they offered their seats.. anyway if the woman wanna sit down.. she shld just open her mouth n ask the three university students to offer? she keep quiet.. how they know..?
if the person refuse the seat, then never mind loh, what are u afraid of??
It is a kind act, not something shameful.
If ppl have to tell u to give up yr seat, I think it is more shameful since u were not taught of gd manner n to be considerate to others
turn the situation around, if u were the one who is in need of a seat, would u rather being offered a seat or u need to ask for one?
worse if u ask for a seat n the other person just brush u off. -
No one owes her a living or in fact, any form of courtesy.
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agreed, and she actually feels she has the title of entitlement simply because she's carrying a 18 month old child. no doubt it's not easy, so if she cannot take it, just open her mouth to ask. is her child so heavy that she can't use any energy to ask?Originally posted by shade343:No one owes her a living or in fact, any form of courtesy.
she don't ask, people don't give up their seats, then why should she write in to a public national forum to criticize our national university students? the students probably feel that she looks strong and tough enough and carry her child.
and in singapore, when u stand to give a seat, people ard you will actually give you the "Don't Try To Impress" kind of look. and when the person you had offered rejects you , the "Haha!" kind of look is reflected on fellow passengers -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
Very good one Billy, brings out the thoughts in us
This article was published only because the level of courtesy in SG has gone down and some finger-pointing needs doing.
Two mistakes i saw in her article.
[b](1):
As a typical singaporean, i saw how she carefully worded her article. But she clearly implied that she EXPECTED the youths to GIVE UP THEIR SEAT for her.
(2):
She did not OPEN HER MOUTH AND ASK for a seat, to which i am sure, the youths would have graciously given to her to support her one-handed act.
In the nanny state that is SG, after being spoon fed by the nanny for too long, we have forgotten how to open our golden mouths unless asked.
Who are we to expect our society to change overnight? Should the average singaporeans with a snap of the finger change from walking trolls to smiling mother Theresas?
And then when such an incident draws the irk one fellow citizen, they conveniently pour scorn on our less than courteous people for a demonstration in ignorance just to vent their frustration.
Haven't we seen the rushing in/out at the opening of MRT doors?
Have we not seen the impatience of our local drivers on the road?
Have we not witnessed the disgusting rudeness of our service industry?
How different are these?
Society evolves gradually.
German efficiency wasn't born overnight. Neither was New Zealand warmth and friendliness.
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courtesy is an act of kindness.Originally posted by shade343:No one owes her a living or in fact, any form of courtesy.
don't tell me u don't have it inside u??
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There is a difference between offering courtesy (which is true courtesy) against DEMANDING courtesy (false ethic).Originally posted by Kenashi:courtesy is an act of kindness.
don't tell me u don't have it inside u?? -
Why nobody question why public transportation is always so bloody crowded?
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cos the sky is so high !!!Originally posted by charlize:Why nobody question why public transportation is always so bloody crowded?
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EXACTLY! we singaporeans already have that demanding attitiude and taking every thing for granted.Originally posted by BillyBong:There is a difference between offering courtesy (which is true courtesy) against DEMANDING courtesy (false ethic).
added: if you look like you are tough enough to carry your child and will reject my offer, i will think twice about offering my seat to spare myself from the embrassement. does that make me a singaporean without courtesy? i have that thought of offering my seat but i withdrawn. if you ask i would have gladly give you my seat. but you didn't so why complain? -
demand is too harsh a word.Originally posted by BillyBong:There is a difference between offering courtesy (which is true courtesy) against DEMANDING courtesy (false ethic).
wasn't morals taught to u during school or in yr life journey?
what is the use of being taught on something that u don't practise??? -
if it was u in the situation, would u ask someone to give up their seat to u???Originally posted by casshern:EXACTLY! we singaporeans already have that demanding attitiude and taking every thing for granted.
added: if you look like you are tough enough to carry your child and will reject my offer, i will think twice about offering my seat to spare myself from the embrassement. does that make me a singaporean without courtesy? i have that thought of offering my seat but i withdrawn. if you ask i would have gladly give you my seat. but you didn't so why complain?
think about it b4 u answer. -
o well think if your gf is carrying a child and no one want to give up a seat for her even though they do not have heavy carriage/item to carry and they are young men and women or teenagers how do you feel then ?
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e bird sh1t in ur eyes~ !!Originally posted by casshern:cos the sky is so high !!!