Money vs Patriotism
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Let's say, if you got a job offer which will pay you well...like 2 times the money you will get back home, but you are also bonded to the government back home, would you take up that job offer?
Not only the bond is stopping you (of cos you can earn enuff to pay back the bond so that you can be freed from it), but it is also the love for your country, the wish to work back there to serve your own ppl etc...would you forsake all this so that you can earn 2 times more than you would earn back home? Is it right to say,"Luckily I got this job offer, now I no longer have to go back and work and earn so much less..."? -
if you're thinking of breaking the bond .... then it goes beyond that ... and becomes a question of integrity too ... of course there are escape clauses etc ... but it's not a case of making financial restitution to the organization, by taking up the bond and breaking it, you would have deprived someone else of that very opportunity that you've given up ... you were chosen by that organization over someone else with the expectation that you will serve out that bond ... and, i dunno, i always feel being a civil servant should be more of a calling than an "iron ricebowl" career choice ...Originally posted by rainee:Let's say, if you got a job offer which will pay you well...like 2 times the money you will get back home, but you are also bonded to the government back home, would you take up that job offer?
Not only the bond is stopping you (of cos you can earn enuff to pay back the bond so that you can be freed from it), but it is also the love for your country, the wish to work back there to serve your own ppl etc...would you forsake all this so that you can earn 2 times more than you would earn back home? Is it right to say,"Luckily I got this job offer, now I no longer have to go back and work and earn so much less..."?
The Patriotic considerations are admirable .... but ... since Patriotism seems like a dirty word nowadays ... i'll leave it to others to yak about that ...
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I guess loyalty is something I feel very strongly about, and this applies about my feelings towards my own country. But recently the government mentioned that they might not have a job for us back home, and if they cant find a job for us within a few months, then we are free to go...so it is all the uncertainty that is causing some bonded students to start applying for jobs over here...and one of them mentioned the things I said above, that she felt lucky she had gotten a job over here so that she dun have to go back and serve the government and earn a miserable amt of wage every month...Originally posted by Fatum:if you're thinking of breaking the bond .... then it goes beyond that ... and becomes a question of integrity too ... of course there are escape clauses etc ... but it's not a case of making financial restitution to the organization, by taking up the bond and breaking it, you would have deprived someone else of that very opportunity that you've given up ... you were chosen by that organization over someone else with the expectation that you will serve out that bond ... and, i dunno, i always feel being a civil servant should be more of a calling than an "iron ricebowl" career choice ...
The Patriotic considerations are admirable .... but ... since Patriotism seems like a dirty word nowadays ... i'll leave it to others to yak about that ... -
I dun know about u guys in SG.. but in Malaysia.. if i get the chance i will be outta here n i would sacrifice my Citizenship too! Talk about patriotism ? We work so hard to be the best in the class..in the school.. contributing to the arts of our state n country.. n what do we get ? nada.. bupcuss... We were rejected..stream lined.. we have no choice but to go out overseas .. while we work to pay our own tertiary studies.. the government bitches n moans about us not coming back... Hell i go for the MOOLAH! $$$ !
he he..
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honestly, i dun care about loyalty to the country and the public good. i only care about my family and friends. it is a strong force that makes me want to stay and work here in singapore, even if the pay is lower than elsewhere. if i didnt have my family or friends, i will work where the money's raking in.
that's how i prioritise my loyalties. -
err...I am from Msia...Originally posted by BadzMaro:I dun know about u guys in SG.. but in Malaysia.. if i get the chance i will be outta here n i would sacrifice my Citizenship too! Talk about patriotism ? We work so hard to be the best in the class..in the school.. contributing to the arts of our state n country.. n what do we get ? nada.. bupcuss... We were rejected..stream lined.. we have no choice but to go out overseas .. while we work to pay our own tertiary studies.. the government bitches n moans about us not coming back... Hell i go for the MOOLAH! $$$ !
he he.. 
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I can smell Icyprincess in this thread.
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shut up if u have nth better to say.Originally posted by iveco:I can smell Icyprincess in this thread. -
Well, which state ? you should know what u am talking about then?Originally posted by rainee:err...I am from Msia... -
So is Icy.Originally posted by rainee:err...I am from Msia...
At least according to Kiam Sng Tee. -
well .... where loyalty is concerned, i guess there are no right or wrong answers, i believe in fighting for the flag ... but i also believe in seeking better economic opportunities for myself .... that said, i think integrity is the more important consideration over here ... going back and being told there are no jobs waiting is one thing ... but breaking the bond altogether is another ...Originally posted by rainee:I guess loyalty is something I feel very strongly about, and this applies about my feelings towards my own country. But recently the government mentioned that they might not have a job for us back home, and if they cant find a job for us within a few months, then we are free to go...so it is all the uncertainty that is causing some bonded students to start applying for jobs over here...and one of them mentioned the things I said above, that she felt lucky she had gotten a job over here so that she dun have to go back and serve the government and earn a miserable amt of wage every month...
furthermore, it's a goverment bond you're talking about ... not of some money hungry private sector organization which i suppose most people would have no qualms breaking bonds with ... you're not bonded then, to some monolithic, faceless organization, but to the people you've signed up to serve .... my choice .... follow the heart ...
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one more of this kinda reply, I will editOriginally posted by iveco:So is Icy.
At least according to Kiam Sng Tee.
Try me 
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honestly.. will you guys give it a rest about clones in my forum?? first u all pissed off cindy. now who u trying to piss??Originally posted by iveco:I can smell Icyprincess in this thread.
is malaysia really like that?? -
Dun worry, I will edit watever he says next, if they have no relevance to this issueOriginally posted by starblue:honestly.. will you guys give it a rest about clones in my forum?? first u all pissed off cindy. now who u trying to piss??
is malaysia really like that?? -
I know wat u r talking abt, but w/o the bond, my fren wudnt have been able to study here in the first place...it just seems...kinda ungrateful, I dunno...Originally posted by BadzMaro:Well, which state ? you should know what u am talking about then? -
Yea I understand...oh well sometimes money can change a person's thinking...Originally posted by Fatum:well .... where loyalty is concerned, i guess there are no right or wrong answers, i believe in fighting for the flag ... but i also believe in seeking better economic opportunities for myself .... that said, i think integrity is the more important consideration over here ... going back and being told there are no jobs waiting is one thing ... but breaking the bond altogether is another ...
furthermore, it's a goverment bond you're talking about ... not of some money hungry private sector organization which i suppose most people would have no qualms breaking bonds with ... you're not bonded then, to some monolithic, faceless organization, but to the people you've signed up to serve .... my choice .... follow the heart ... -
msia... where gov give priorities n benefits to bumiputeras. Spoon feed them till they cant even stand on their own two feet. Need to leech of the gov. Even the successful malays said gov shud stop tis 'malay rights' crap.
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true true... we all have our views. Its also in terms of what circumstances and experience we encounter during our ordeal.. if u can call it an ordeal or times spent ah. mmm... so where are u now ?Originally posted by rainee:I know wat u r talking abt, but w/o the bond, my fren wudnt have been able to study here in the first place...it just seems...kinda ungrateful, I dunno... -
I am in US...Originally posted by BadzMaro:true true... we all have our views. Its also in terms of what circumstances and experience we encounter during our ordeal.. if u can call it an ordeal or times spent ah. mmm... so where are u now ? -
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That is true.. n how they complain about Chinese being high in corruption too. U have see our picture.. since we gain no benefits.. we are getting not even the bone in this eating frenzy.. i mean.. or course u will go all out n whatever it takes. Specialist cant survive here.. i am working in an Engineering company.. man.. u are seeing corruptions at mega levels. Everyone wanna earn money.. but earning money until not even scraps of bone... thats just too much man..Originally posted by alexkusu:msia... where gov give priorities n benefits to bumiputeras. Spoon feed them till they cant even stand on their own two feet. Need to leech of the gov. Even the successful malays said gov shud stop tis 'malay rights' crap. -
DANG man.. well, i hope to get a chance in the US. I know competitiveness of thier industry.. but next year if all goes well.. i will be sent to Texas for Geophysics Instruments training..Originally posted by rainee:I am in US... then i am gonna do a runner.. become illegal immigrant lol! -
chinese no choice..being treated differently like 2nd class hav to work harder n find new ways to survive. N wen they become successful, ppl say criticise this n that, say corruption here n there...etc. Wth..
For chinese parents, best chance for kids to hav higher learning is to send them overseas. Even ur grades so good, it wont gurantee u a place unless ur malay.