The difference between "ang mo" and "chinese" doctors.
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Anyone knows?
Some people insist on seeing those "certified" ang mo pai doctor in clinics while others swear by those "chinese sinsehs".
Whats your opinion? -
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i once went to see a chinese sinseh to treat my sprained back, he used acupuncture and i'm ok in awhile. After which, i proceed to see a english doc to get a mc (my company wont recognize chinese doc's MC).
The english doc became very gan chiong and told me i shouldnt "anyhow" go to any chinese sinseh and labelled them as cheat
, then want me to take an X-RAY asap for my back.
I told her i'm ok liao, just needed an MC
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A few weeks ago, i almost fractured my hand, went to nuh for a x-ray.Originally posted by thoreldan:i once went to see a chinese sinseh to treat my sprained back, he used acupuncture and i'm ok in awhile. After which, i proceed to see a english doc to get a mc (my company wont recognize chinese doc's MC).
The english doc became very gan chiong and told me i shouldnt "anyhow" go to any chinese sinseh and labelled them as cheat , then want me to take an X-RAY asap for my back.
I told her i'm ok liao, just needed an MC
The doc said it would take weeks to heal and i just had to wait.
Then, i went to the chinese doc, some light massaging and he drew a little "bad" blood and my hand felt better, i think it made the healing process faster too.
The english doc in your post damn _|_ one arh....
Fancy her labelling people as cheats just because they are chinese sinsehs....
My hand healed faster due to help from a chinese sinseh.... -
My friend and i once joked, "the difference is, in case of cancer, the chinese sinseh uses needles to try to solve the problem if the cancer is in the early stages and the english doctor just chops the particular part off...."
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i see a chinese sinseh for flu...now i hardly have flu
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Many people grow up with traditional medicine... I grow up with traditional medicine in my family... I take traditional medicine during my flu, fever, cough, sneeze, heatiness and stuffs...
These are common and typical practice that everyone do. So I don't see why is there any difference between ang mo doctors and chinese doctors unless of course you want to further exagerrate your points in discrimination one or the other... -
one more thing:
chinese doc medicine usually black and bitter one
english doc still got those cherry favour abit sweet one -
Originally posted by thoreldan:
Thing is no one in medical profession would want to continue someone's work... in this case, your chinese sinseh has done what he can and he has got you cured, but to the western doctor, it is not safe for him and is not his justification to issue you an MC unless he has personally seen you and manage you or at least carry out a basic investigation such as an X ray... in this case, he is right... Sometimes manipulation of the back and insertion of the needles indirectly without using any viewing machines will cause damage to the nerves no matter how experience a practitioner is. It is always best to confirm... what you feel normal now, may not be normal 10-20 years down the road... this is safe practice of medicine...
i once went to see a chinese sinseh to treat my sprained back, he used acupuncture and i'm ok in awhile. After which, i proceed to see a english doc to get a mc (my company wont recognize chinese doc's MC).
The english doc became very gan chiong and told me i shouldnt "anyhow" go to any chinese sinseh and labelled them as cheat , then want me to take an X-RAY asap for my back.
I told her i'm ok liao, just needed an MC
But of course, as I say, most people believe in traditional medicine in which many doctors don't, they tend to be shocked and surprised to hear what you have done... in this case he may be overly cautious and caring for you, OR he may be very blunt, which I believe should be the latter in the way you explain it... If he is the latter, then he is wrong...
From my personal point of view, alternative medicine is the patient's choice, and I will not prevent them from going to seek a second opinion... they should however inform me of the medication they are taking in fear of drug-drug interaction if they still want to seek me for management... -
Originally posted by seow:
You probably have a sprain, because you said ALMOST fractured... if it is fractured, a simple closed manipulative reduction (CMR) can be carried out to realign the broken bones...
A few weeks ago, i almost fractured my hand, went to nuh for a x-ray.
The doc said it would take weeks to heal and i just had to wait.
Then, i went to the chinese doc, some light massaging and he drew a little "bad" blood and my hand felt better, i think it made the healing process faster too.
The english doc in your post damn _|_ one arh....
Fancy her labelling people as cheats just because they are chinese sinsehs....
My hand healed faster due to help from a chinese sinseh...
If it is a simple sprain, western medicine management would just be to leave it to heal on its own... there will always be a swelling which tightens up the fascial sheath under your hand that makes it ultimately uncomfortable.
What the chinese doctor probably do is to massage the fluid (that forms the swelling) away to make you comfortable and then drawing out some bad blood (implying inflammatory chemicals which are available in the injured area) that will make you feel better... Inflammatory as it is termed, means hot, painful and swollen...
The belief of Greek and Latin Medicine in Inflammation characteristic are:-
Rubor
Calor
Dolor
Tumor
Functio Laesa -
hi renorenal, u study medicine one right?
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He is professor teaching med students.Originally posted by thoreldan:hi renorenal, u study medicine one right? -
Of course, in alternative management, they will try to manipulate all they can because they do not believe in invasive therapy which western management does...Originally posted by seow:My friend and i once joked, "the difference is, in case of cancer, the chinese sinseh uses needles to try to solve the problem if the cancer is in the early stages and the english doctor just chops the particular part off...."
Western management and its aim in cancer is to prevent SPREAD (metastasis) of the tumor to other region. All cancers are graded, the BETHSEDA classification for cancer of the cervix, DUKE's classification for colorectal cancer and the famous TNM staging and classification of most cancers...
Surgical intervention depends on which stage of tumor it is, the earlier the stage the better to intervene with surgery to prevent spread...
Other methods of managing cancer includes chemotherapy (with drugs) and radiotherapy (or better known as deep X ray therapy). These are used when the tumor has more than spread from its local region. Under these circumstances, the prognosis will be very poor...
One ought to understand the concept of both management, prior to making assumptions... -
Wow!Originally posted by alexkusu:He is professor teaching med students.
You yan bu shi tai shan
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studied...Originally posted by thoreldan:hi renorenal, u study medicine one right? I'm practicing now... -
He's pulling your legOriginally posted by thoreldan:Wow!
You yan bu shi tai shan
I might consider joining MOE when I retire from MOH... -
Bad practice or culture in Ang Mo doc-
a) say your illness is normal and for rest of your life you need to bear with it or taking pain killer will do .
b) wait and see if time can cure your body and mean while pain killer and MC. Most work but maybe 5% get worst and get incurable.
If that is the case if advisable to see Chinese doctor. Lot of illness which is incurable in the view of Ang Mo doc is actually a piece of cake for chinese doctor. -
Come to think of it, both have their own advantages and disadvantages...
There was a big hoohah just a few months ago between orthopedists (modern medicine) and chiropractitioners (alternative medicine)...
Anyhow you shouldn't dwell too much on it, at the end of the day, prior to carrying out minor and major operative procedures, doctors will still need you to sign a consent form, if you don't sign it, we will not carry the procedure out...
I doubt chinese medicine produce consent forms especially for acupuncture... as long as I can remember... -
In this case, I believe it is more towards individual?Originally posted by Rig:Bad practice or culture in Ang Mo doc-
a) say your illness is normal and for rest of your life you need to bear with it or taking pain killer will do .
b) wait and see if time can cure your body and mean while pain killer and MC. Most work but maybe 5% get worst and get incurable.
If that is the case if advisable to see Chinese doctor. Lot of illness which is incurable in the view of Ang Mo doc is actually a piece of cake for chinese doctor.
Not all clinical doctors and chinese doctors follow strictly by their own codes and rules... henceforth, there are bound to be what we people call 'indifference doctors'... both will also have...
If you go to a chinese doc and he treats you badly, scolds you and charges you expensively because he managed to cure a celebrity... you might feel hurt... but let's say you decided to take a second opinion and go to see a clinical doctor, but he treats you in the opposite manner, you would then say that the clinical doctors are good...
This may also occur vice versa like what you have described above...
Humans tend to generalize everything based on first impressions...
Furthermore, no one is stopping you to opt for alternative medicine... -
Best keep an open mind. What chinese doctors cant cure can be cured by western ones. And vice versa.
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I'm not making any assumptions lah, just joking only.Originally posted by renorenal:Of course, in alternative management, they will try to manipulate all they can because they do not believe in invasive therapy which western management does...
Western management and its aim in cancer is to prevent SPREAD (metastasis) of the tumor to other region. All cancers are graded, the BETHSEDA classification for cancer of the cervix, DUKE's classification for colorectal cancer and the famous TNM staging and classification of most cancers...
Surgical intervention depends on which stage of tumor it is, the earlier the stage the better to intervene with surgery to prevent spread...
Other methods of managing cancer includes chemotherapy (with drugs) and radiotherapy (or better known as deep X ray therapy). These are used when the tumor has more than spread from its local region. Under these circumstances, the prognosis will be very poor...
One ought to understand the concept of both management, prior to making assumptions... -
aaa just here to ask what happened if i did not take my insulin for a period time?
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wow.. so which field do u specialise in? were u a CPT(DR) in ur NS days?Originally posted by renorenal:studied... I'm practicing now... -
Your sugar levels will go up, way up, and you will suffer from a condition called DKA (Diabetic Ketoacidosis) or HONK (Hyperosmolar Non Ketotic Coma) where you will have symptoms of abdominal pain, vomiting, nausea, headache, dizziness and diarrhea...Originally posted by martin_lim85:aaa just here to ask what happened if i did not take my insulin for a period time?
This is very dangerous as you will become dehydrated and depleted of your fluids in your body because of the rise in glucose in your body.
Glucose is an osmotic diuresis which draws fluid with them as they pass out from the body, hence if you have high glucose, you have more of these fluids being passed out leading to dehydration.
Not only that, your fluid and electrolyte will become imbalanced... When faced with such symptoms it is best to admit yourself, if not, coma is inevitable. -
I'm jsut a junior house officer... I have just begun my work not long ago... No, I'm not from Singapore, hence no NS, I am from Malaysia...Originally posted by monoslayer:wow.. so which field do u specialise in? were u a CPT(DR) in ur NS days?