F1 fans rejoice for 2005
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For those in the know, Jenson Button must stay at BAR for the 2005 season. Leaving Williams BMW with an empty seat originally meant for Button to pair with former Jaguar Racer Mark Webber. I predict that there is a possibility Mika Hakkinen (World Champion 1998 & 1999) will return to F1 in the 2005 season since he has already expressed interest in returning to the sport. In fact he is already in peak fitness and is mentally prepared(article from F1 racing mag). I must say F1 2005 will be a real nail biting affair with so many great drivers and this year's teams working round the clock to try and beat the all dominating ferraris. Next year's lineup (prediction):
Ferrari- Michael Schumacher (7 times champion)& Rubens Barichello (Best ever No.2)
Mercedes Mclaren- Kimi Raikkonen(future superstar) & Juan Pablo Montoya
BMW Williams- Mark Webber & Mika Hakkinen(2 times champion) PLS COME BACK!!
Renault- Fernando Alonso(future superstar) & Giancarlo Fisichella
BAR Honda- Jenson Button(brink of being champion) & Takuma Sato(best ever jap driver)
Sauber Petronas- Jacque Villeneuve (1997 champion) & Felipe Massa
Toyota- Jarno Trulli & Ralf Schumacher
Jaguar Racing- Fate undecided
Jordan Ford- Fate undecided
Minardi - No engine how to race?? ( probably toyota will provide engines).
Woohoo gotta get tix for Melbourne Grand Prix!!! -
Go Montoya!!!
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I am sure JPM and Kimi are both considered superstars in their own right now. Giancarlo is certain a very under-rated driver.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:For those in the know, Jenson Button must stay at BAR for the 2005 season. Leaving Williams BMW with an empty seat originally meant for Button to pair with former Jaguar Racer Mark Webber. I predict that there is a possibility Mika Hakkinen (World Champion 1998 & 1999) will return to F1 in the 2005 season since he has already expressed interest in returning to the sport. In fact he is already in peak fitness and is mentally prepared(article from F1 racing mag). I must say F1 2005 will be a real nail biting affair with so many great drivers and this year's teams working round the clock to try and beat the all dominating ferraris. Next year's lineup (prediction):
Ferrari- Michael Schumacher (7 times champion)& Rubens Barichello (Best ever No.2)
Mercedes Mclaren- Kimi Raikkonen(future superstar) & Juan Pablo Montoya
BMW Williams- Mark Webber & Mika Hakkinen(2 times champion) PLS COME BACK!!
Renault- Fernando Alonso(future superstar) & Giancarlo Fisichella
BAR Honda- Jenson Button(brink of being champion) & Takuma Sato(best ever jap driver)
Sauber Petronas- Jacque Villeneuve (1997 champion) & Felipe Massa
Toyota- Jarno Trulli & Ralf Schumacher
Jaguar Racing- Fate undecided
Jordan Ford- Fate undecided
Minardi - No engine how to race?? ( probably toyota will provide engines).
Woohoo gotta get tix for Melbourne Grand Prix!!!
I believe BAR will contiune to perform well with Jensen. Toyota's got a strong pairing, but it's not one i can imagine winning races.
Jordan is 99% confirmed to continue with a Toyota engine, and highly likely to run Ryan Briscoe in return as part of the deal. Minardi are using their own engines. Do not under-estimate Sauber. They have a strong pairing and a pretty good car.
The question now is, will McLaren and Williams get their game up? Certainly, if they do, it is going to be one hell of a fight, with the top 6 teams all having Star drivers.
Btw, Coulthard may go back to Williams instead of Mika. Or Pizziona maybe taking the race drive. Ricardo Zonta while, being more or less out of the racing seat for so long, performed pretty well in many races for toyota when he took over Da Matta's seat. -
The only reason why Sauber has a good car because the 2004 car was modelled after the Ferrari 2003 car. Engine is also provided by Ferrari. Tyres same Bridgestone as Ferrari. Gosh.... next year's Sauber car will no doubt be like this years Ferrari at this rate....
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I disagree. At the start of the season they weren't so strong. If anything, I would attribue their increase in performance in the later part of the season as being due to the operation of their new wind tunnel. Aero gains can make or break a car.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:The only reason why Sauber has a good car because the 2004 car was modelled after the Ferrari 2003 car. Engine is also provided by Ferrari. Tyres same Bridgestone as Ferrari. Gosh.... next year's Sauber car will no doubt be like this years Ferrari at this rate.... -
Yes, I do agree that the new wind tunnel did improve their performances but without an ultra-reliable and fast ferrari engine, a simple yet great ferrari chassis to work on... they wouldn't be where they are today.
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once again, I disagree. back in 2001 they did well without being too related to Ferrari. Although most F1 cars may seem similiar, in particular the F2003GA and the Sauber this year, I can assure you, milimeter differences here and there give them entirely different performances. The only factor I would attribute to Ferrari is the engines, and those engines aren't as powerful as current spec Ferrari engines. If anything, had they gotten a works Cosworth engine this year, with power on par with the Jaguars, I believe they would have done even better. Once again, I must disabuse the notion that the sauber is "simple yet great ferrari chassis" because if it WERE so, they wouldn't have been allowed to take part in this year's F1 championship.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:Yes, I do agree that the new wind tunnel did improve their performances but without an ultra-reliable and fast ferrari engine, a simple yet great ferrari chassis to work on... they wouldn't be where they are today. -
I would not say Takuma Sato is the best ever jap driver..... he is lucky to get a great package by Honda and BAR.
See the different, Button and Sato.
Sato blew Honda engine many races..... whereas Button is consistent winning. -
and in terms of achievement, he is not the 1st Jap driver on the podium either. That honour is taken by Aguri Suzuki.Originally posted by LittleTiger:I would not say Takuma Sato is the best ever jap driver..... he is luck to get a great package by Honda and BAR.
See the different, Button and Sato.
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nah... i think takuma sato is the best still... his hasnt driven the most races but his record so far already eclipses most of his predecessors before him. Engine failure is usually due to an engineers fault not the driver, though it must be said Takuma is a real fearless driver and a real treat to watch. I'm sure you have noticed that he takes all overtaking opportunities although he still lacks the experience to do them properly. He has had only about 8 years worth of competitive motor racing which is really remarkable. Primarily because of his daring and a bit careless style of driving... he pushes the car a bit too hard sometimes and therefore has to pit to rectify damage done. Because the engine has to deal with the sudden increase and decrease in performance during pitting.. some analyst said that the engine could not take it and therefore blew up. Others say however that BAR has been testing experimental technology on Sato's car. For example, BAR won an award this year for implementing the first ever composite gear box... Nevertheless, Takuma has a lot of potential and can only get better from now on..
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hmm but remember most of his predecessor did not have a good team like he does now.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:nah... i think takuma sato is the best still... his hasnt driven the most races but his record so far already eclipses most of his predecessors before him. Engine failure is usually due to an engineers fault not the driver, though it must be said Takuma is a real fearless driver and a real treat to watch. I'm sure you have noticed that he takes all overtaking opportunities although he still lacks the experience to do them properly. He has had only about 8 years worth of competitive motor racing which is really remarkable. Primarily because of his daring and a bit careless style of driving... he pushes the car a bit too hard sometimes and therefore has to pit to rectify damage done. Because the engine has to deal with the sudden increase and decrease in performance during pitting.. some analyst said that the engine could not take it and therefore blew up. Others say however that BAR has been testing experimental technology on Sato's car. For example, BAR won an award this year for implementing the first ever composite gear box... Nevertheless, Takuma has a lot of potential and can only get better from now on..
And I've got a nasty suprise for you but engine failure CAN be due to the driver's fault. If you consider the fact that Taku had more failures than Button, then certainly driver factor is involved, despite what the team says. Button is known to be very smooth. Taku is less so. You may not know, but driving a car roughly, pushing it too hard, braking later etc, actually subject the crankshaft, engine, etc, to undue stresses. Its not just the engine's temperature increasing and decreasing during a pit. Let me show u a scenario:
For a certain corner, Button starts braking 5m earlier. He is on the brakes gentler than Taku. He downshifts slightly later to allow for the revs to drop more than Taku does. Taku, because he brakes late, only can start downshifting later. He brakes from a higher speed which means his engine is at a higher RPM, and he has to downshift faster and sooner after he starts braking than Button. At highr RPMs, the engine is subject to more stress. So perhaps for those few seconds of downshifting, he subjects the engine to an extra, say 500RPMs of stress. 500 RPM may not seem like much, but as the RPMs increase, the stress and wear increase in a non-linear fashion. And then add to the fact that there are possibly 5 to 6 such corners in a circuit(not including the fast corners), and the fact that this situation is repeated over and over again. You can see why Taku's engine breaks.
I am not being unfair in saying that Taku is still too rough on the car. Jacques Villeneuve, 97 F1 champion, is known to be a rough driver as well. When he was with BAR Honda in 03, the same situation was happening, in that he broke more engines than Button did. The key to Sato improving now, is that he actually smoothens his driving out, and he will definately improve. -
urrr.. yar isnt that what i said earlier.. about Sato driving really carelessly and with lack of experience that his car breaks down??
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u said that his car broke down because he damages the bodywork and has to pit. but u didn't take into account that EVEN if he didn't damage the bodywork and make extra pitstops, his car would still have a higher chance of breaking down. your point being that his engine breaks because of the extra pits he has to make when he knocks a front wing off. but that is a very "on the surface" look at the problem only.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:urrr.. yar isnt that what i said earlier.. about Sato driving really carelessly and with lack of experience that his car breaks down?? -
ok maybe I havent made myself clear.. because he has to pit... the honda engine has to contend with working at a slower pace.... then when he's out on the track again.. the engine is working at full capacity. I'm saying the sudden and abrupt change in demand for the engine to perform overstressed it. Do u listen to F1 commentary.. the official one(from itv)? I remember them saying that the Honda engine doesnt like settling down to low rpms for extended periods of time.
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yes I know what you are saying. and yes i do listen to ITV comentary. and yes I know about this theory. but the truth is, Jacques Villeneuve had more failures than Button did in 2003, and he didn't make as many errors as Sato did. So this "pit stop" theory is a very "on the surface" look at a problem.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:ok maybe I havent made myself clear.. because he has to pit... the honda engine has to contend with working at a slower pace.... then when he's out on the track again.. the engine is working at full capacity. I'm saying the sudden and abrupt change in demand for the engine to perform overstressed it. Do u listen to F1 commentary.. the official one(from itv)? I remember them saying that the Honda engine doesnt like settling down to low rpms for extended periods of time.
What i am saying here is that the problem goes beyond that. Sato is very likely exposing the engine to anywhere from 200RPMs to 500RPMs extra worth of stress for each downchange due to his driving style, and that is the more possible and realistic reason for his engine blowing up. Afterall, how would u account for the times his engine blew up and he didn't make any extra pitstops then? -
Well... that would be due to like you said very rough driving or you can believe the rumours saying Sato's car fitted with experimental BAR technology.
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theres a difference between rough driving causing external damage and thus an indirect reason for his engine blowing up and rough driving being the direct reason his engine is blowing up.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:Well... that would be due to like you said very rough driving or you can believe the rumours saying Sato's car fitted with experimental BAR technology. -
yes I get the difference already.... what i meant by rough driving was the same as your explanation... maybe I wasn't clear enough
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To make it simple..... Sato likes to overrevvs his Honda engine.....
He thought his engine is too powerful and often over revs it without engaging the gears.
Engine can be made very powerful, but will it last?
Sauber has done well with its wind tunnel and setup/aerodynamic but all this must have a extremely reliable engine and that is the Ferrari Engine to make the car till the end.
Remember last year and previous year, suddenly William BMW was so powerful and overtake Mclaren..... that is because the BMW engine was the most revvy and most powerful engine. But it blown a number of time, just like what Honda engine did this year.
To win overall is not ALL about hp and fast car. What you need is a reliable, consistency and also power.
No car in F1 likes to travel slow.... constantly at speed below 80km/h will overheat the engine. -
ok.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:yes I get the difference already.... what i meant by rough driving was the same as your explanation... maybe I wasn't clear enough -
actually I wonder why the engineers don't set a rev limit for him? prob would do his finishing record wondersOriginally posted by LittleTiger:To make it simple..... Sato likes to overrevvs his Honda engine.....
He thought his engine is too powerful and often over revs it without engaging the gears.
Engine can be made very powerful, but will it last?
Sauber has done well with its wind tunnel and setup/aerodynamic but all this must have a extremely reliable engine and that is the Ferrari Engine to make the car till the end.
Remember last year and previous year, suddenly William BMW was so powerful and overtake Mclaren..... that is because the BMW engine was the most revvy and most powerful engine. But it blown a number of time, just like what Honda engine did this year.
To win overall is not ALL about hp and fast car. What you need is a reliable, consistency and also power.
No car in F1 likes to travel slow.... constantly at speed below 80km/h will overheat the engine. -
you know i think the engineers woiuld have already thought of an idea like that.... if they did, they prob couldnt fit it in since F1 regulations prevent them from doing so. Or you know... maybe the overrevving is not the problem at all...
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erm, no. What you have mentioned is only a pretty superficial look at it. If I were to find a plausable and logical sounding reason, it will be that you need to let the driver have access to high revs because at times like when you are trying to overtake at the end of a straight, they come into play. Also a limitier actually can intefere with driving styles, esp if u keep hitting the limiter. I am sure the F1 reguations do not prevent them from doing so since I have noticed that some cars like McLaren had limiters installed early on in the season when that piece of a crap mercedes engine kept blowing up. At the higher gears it was usually limited to about 17000 rpms.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:you know i think the engineers woiuld have already thought of an idea like that.... if they did, they prob couldnt fit it in since F1 regulations prevent them from doing so. Or you know... maybe the overrevving is not the problem at all...
Another reason which would sound plausable would be the powerband and the torque curve of the engine makes it so that to install a limiter hamper the engine somewhat. Then the onus is on the driver to be able to manage the engine RPMs manually. -
watever you and I say does not matter because we are only speculating... none of us is in a better situation then the engineers and mechanics to answer this sort of questions. You and I maybe right or wrong... for goodness sake I dont look at things superficially, I have already considered what the points u brought up even before u posted them. Seriously.... there is no such thing as overrevving in F1... everything is meticulous, precise and calculated... if the engine blows up.. its poor driving or quality thats all.
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uh... what makes you think that there is no such thing as over-revving in F1? and what makes you so sure I am speculating? Have you ever done case studies during sch? Some of the things I say are from case studies I am getting now from my lecturers due to the course I am taking.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:watever you and I say does not matter because we are only speculating... none of us is in a better situation then the engineers and mechanics to answer this sort of questions. You and I maybe right or wrong... for goodness sake I dont look at things superficially, I have already considered what the points u brought up even before u posted them. Seriously.... there is no such thing as overrevving in F1... everything is meticulous, precise and calculated... if the engine blows up.. its poor driving or quality thats all.