optra vs vios?
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hi... im a newbie here, am currently interested in the vios-e or the optra 1.6. pricing abt the same and the optra's interior is alot better than the vios but im not not sure abt engine wise/fc and avail of spare parts.. pls advice... thanks
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From my research, Toyota FC much better, enginer much better, spare parts much abudant. Vios totally out-classed Optra if you are talking about power, handling, efficiency. But Optra looks more classic and is definitely more spacious.Originally posted by burpman:hi... im a newbie here, am currently interested in the vios-e or the optra 1.6. pricing abt the same and the optra's interior is alot better than the vios but im not not sure abt engine wise/fc and avail of spare parts.. pls advice... thanks -
the choice of so many singaporeans will not be wrong.
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singaporeans have poor choice of cars.. haha
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thank u all for replies... maybe true, vios is more common on the roads than the optra. its all abt the toyota brand and its ease of getting spare parts... any optra owners would like to comment? reason why i considered optra was partly the price and also that its interior and fittings are "near" corolla like if not more. whereas for the vios it means i have to settle for less space. im not so much for looking for a fast car, just a reasonable family car with good fc and maintenance.
considering that vios is abt $57K now, would it be a good time to get it? cos the se told me that price will increase by $500 by tues... -
i have always recommended the vios. no different now. cheap, fun, reliable car to drive around.
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You said yourself that you want good fc and maintenance. But you sounded like you are looking for a spacious and nicely packaged family car. Take time to think about what you really want.Originally posted by burpman:...... im not so much for looking for a fast car, just a reasonable family car with good fc and maintenance.......
Usually only experience car owners who have learn things that hard way will be able to look beyond the looks of the car. I also almost choose Aveo over Vios. -
you are quite right. im looking at a decent family car cos its my first purchase and i wish to be careful abt it. cos i intend to make the car last at least 5 years and hence i do not wish to make some decision that i may regret later on. which was why i narrowed to optra and vios. hence the qn of build of car vs a well-known name for reliability. so u were saying u nearly chose the aveo over vios, may i know why? i tried the aveo but i found it bit too small for me. cos im 1.8m. the fittings reminded me more of daewoo unlike the optraOriginally posted by wbucket:....
Usually only experience car owners who have learn things that hard way will be able to look beyond the looks of the car. I also almost choose Aveo over Vios. -
actually its quite simple. test drive both and go with ur heart. there will always be pple against the vios and for it. same for the optra.
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I am still single. So to me, space is almost at the last of my list. Plus I am only 1.65m, I can feel comfortable in any car. For my first car, I want to go for a Hatchback. With my budget, I can't go for famous brand like Honda Jazz and Mitsubishi Colt. Anyway, I liked Aveo for its looks. Got a younger feel compared to Vios. Build wise, I don't see much flaws to it. Much cheaper too.Originally posted by burpman:......so u were saying u nearly chose the aveo over vios, may i know why? i tried the aveo but i found it bit too small for me. cos im 1.8m. the fittings ......
In the end, my brother super strongly advise me against it. So I settle for a small car, Kelisa. This little fish feels stronger than Aveo, still cheaper and can be easily maintained.
Anyway, like what imprezaWRXSTi22B said, test-drive both, bring your family along. Discuss it through and then make a choice that everyone in the house is happy with. -
Try out Mazda 2 only a bit more $ than vios. nice power + made in japan.Originally posted by burpman:hi... im a newbie here, am currently interested in the vios-e or the optra 1.6. pricing abt the same and the optra's interior is alot better than the vios but im not not sure abt engine wise/fc and avail of spare parts.. pls advice... thanks
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The thing I hate about Mazda, or actually is the dealers who brought them in, why isn't there a manual tranmission Mazda 2? Well, I always told it looks sporty, so why the only auto thing?Originally posted by IcedLemon:Try out Mazda 2 only a bit more $ than vios. nice power + made in japan.
I know Singaporean are getting lazy, but there are still some of us who take joy in driving manual......at least for now. -
Just to share, at first i was hesitant of buying vios comparing to honda cars but after owning a vios, what i can say is, its powerful even when its stock condition and not to mentioned those mod vios, and the moment u depress the pedal lightly, off it goes... although it can't be compared with a vtec engine but power difference is just min and i saved 10k for the car and thats alot.
Cheers
p:s, Manual stock condition vios ( 0-100 timing = 8.9sec) mod manual vios = 8.32sec ........ auto stock condition (0-100 timing = 10.8sec) auto mod vios = 9.7sec) -
I will be favouring Optra cos in terms of power, it has definitely more push than vios. i personally like the suspension of the optra which gives more comfort compared to the japanese make. In terms of features, it has a no. of added advantages as well... For eg., electronic and remote controlled boot, rear arm rest, foldable rear seats, bigger leg room, bigger boot, 15" tyres for better road holdings, etc.
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Originally posted by wbucket:JDM got manual one meh? anyway the auto oso kind of powerful oredi. pick up speed n cornering very good.The thing I hate about Mazda, or actually is the dealers who brought them in, why isn't there a manual tranmission Mazda 2? Well, I always told it looks sporty, so why the only auto thing?
I know Singaporean are getting lazy, but there are still some of us who take joy in driving manual......at least for now. -
The comments I got from most who test-driven both Optra and Vios said Vios is much more powerful than Optra. Guess you are the first I heard saying Optra has more push.Originally posted by Demonhawk:I will be favouring Optra cos in terms of power, it has definitely more push than vios. i personally like the suspension of the optra which gives more comfort compared to the japanese make. In terms of features, it has a no. of added advantages as well... For eg., electronic and remote controlled boot, rear arm rest, foldable rear seats, bigger leg room, bigger boot, 15" tyres for better road holdings, etc.
Just my 2 cents...
burpman
Say, have you tested Kia Cerato and Proton Gen2? I remembered from 1 issue of motoring that these 2 cars are reviewed as the better budget cars around, together with Vios. Cerato also have great interior and decent space. Gen 2, on the other hand, has a very sporty feel and a Lotus engine. -
Originally posted by wbucket:
its true what demonhawk said abt the optra has more features and that was what made me consider it in the first place. the features and fittings were a notch better than the vios that i was considering... with all the items found only in more higher price cars but at such a bargain price on par with the vios...
The comments I got from most who test-driven both Optra and Vios said Vios is much more powerful than Optra. Guess you are the first I heard saying Optra has more push.
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Say, have you tested Kia Cerato and Proton Gen2? I remembered from 1 issue of motoring that these 2 cars are reviewed as the better budget cars around, together with Vios. Cerato also have great interior and decent space. Gen 2, on the other hand, has a very sporty feel and a Lotus engine.[/b]
i have tried out the Cerato but I found it not my liking. infact, at last count, its cheaper than the vios although the specs and interior were better than the vios but thinking abt the resale value, fc and maintenace and being a "new" model, it was supposed to be a replacement for the previous Kia spectra.. and the latter model wasnt even popular in the first place and yes i see many ceratos on the road but somehow i do not have a feel good feeling of it. at last count, it was retailing abt 55K. the gen 2 is definitely overpriced... supposed to be a budget car but with all the so-called advanced tech as mentioned by proton, its trying to compete head on with the corolla, way out of its league and further more, protons are not that exactly popular with sporeans... with the exception of the british.
i have narrowed down to the vios and (now) the city. but the city doesnt have lots of specs, no srs, abs or alloy rims which on comparison makes the vios looks for much attractive now... the trouble is that both cars targeted at buyers like me, and it seems that both cars are missing stuff that i would to see... actually, i would take vios immediately if it has fold down seats something that city has cos the vios seems to have all the specs i prob need and at a reasonable price...not forgetting that toyota's vvti was meant to rival honda's vtec..... whereas the city is a tad expensive and yet is missing the alloy rims, and the safety features that make the vios different...though its alot more comfy and its good i-dsi engine and many say its ugly but somehow i find it ok, the looks and everything... guys, its just a headache for the first time car buyer -
Since City is in the picture now...... If you are buying Auto, go for City. It has the best Auto system around at that price. If manual, go for Vios. If comfort, have to decide for your own then.Originally posted by burpman:......i have narrowed down to the vios and (now) the city. but the city doesnt have lots of specs, no srs, abs or alloy rims which on comparison makes the vios looks for much attractive now......
Seriously, to be on the save side, Vios is the one. It has the most things packed into a budget car. But you have already test-driven it (I hoped), so you should know which you are more comfortable driving. If it is really so hard to decide, let's just throw the passenger concern out the window first. All the space and boot should be secondary to your driver's feel. Think about yourself, driving the car all the time, most importantly paying for it. The car should be what you want, not what you think your future passengers want.
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have you test drove all the cars you are comtemplating on? if you haven, do it. it'll help you make the right decision.
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im one step closer... went down to bm today and the se just refuse to give any freebies though i asked for it... its like she say "best price" and there's nothing she can do abt it... im going down again tmr to sign the contract but does anyone have any hints on how to get freebies? by the way, vios comes with an optional 788 package which includes leather seats, "alloy look" dashboard, and a negligible spoiler... but it seems that this package leaves out the fog lamps.. which im more interested in. any advice?
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I heard somewhere that BM's SE are given about 1k (No proof, believe it or not!!!) extra to give out freebies. My advice is go back, try another SE. Since the last one didn't want to give you anything, don't have to go back to her. Then you must really be aggressive, show them you are not that eager to buy yet. Must be ready to walk out the moment they said no. Tell them you are still looking at other cars, things like that.Originally posted by burpman:im one step closer... went down to bm today and the se just refuse to give any freebies though i asked for it... its like she say "best price" and there's nothing she can do abt it... im going down again tmr to sign the contract but does anyone have any hints on how to get freebies? by the way, vios comes with an optional 788 package which includes leather seats, "alloy look" dashboard, and a negligible spoiler... but it seems that this package leaves out the fog lamps.. which im more interested in. any advice?
Didn't Vios already comes with leathers? Why still need package? If I were you, I ask for V-kool.
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yes, i have heard too that it is standard practise for them to give freebies! kinda weird you're not getting any. tmr before signing try and ask again maybe they'll give?
as for the package, you will need to consider if you have that 800 more to spend and if you really want what is in the package. 800 for leather seats + others is quite a bargain imho.
the choice is still up to you tho! good luck! -
I would say the vios, because I get reminded of my neighbour's vios.
Its got twin exhaust(for a 1.6 huh! ), 5zigen rims, the works lah, but strangely the suspension hasn't been lowered one damn bit. -
nope, where u get that from?Originally posted by wbucket:Didn't Vios already comes with leathers? Why still need package? If I were you, I ask for V-kool.
Good luck! I wonder COE is going up or down the next round.
VIOS originally comes with fabric seats, upgradable to leather seats @ $788, which is less than 2% of the purchase price, so 100% of buyers will definitely opt for it, thats why u never see a VIOS with fabric seats.
fog lamps is not included in the $788... i had to asked for it...
buyers learn how to bargain for freebies, SEs also learn how to say 'no'..
city is trying to target VIOS market with a deceptively low price... nowadays which respectable car don't have air bags, ABS and most imptly alloy rims? How to sell your car the next time? when u add all these so call 'extras' in... you have to pay a hefty premium for it over the VIOS...
remember honda's volume is low(not in top 3) so its pricing strategy is different from toyota's high volume, low margin... -
grab a lobang SE from the pple at toyotaclub la. lidat wun tio ka.