pls help me to choose btw....
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toyota vios 1.5L(Auto) and kia carens 1.8L(Auto)
buying either one of them OPC. which is better. road tax not an issue since it is OPC.
toyota vios at 58Kplus, and kia carens at 67Kplus
in term of space and capacity, kia carens win...but,in term of resale value, which is better. i know toyota has a better resale value, but now its 1.5L vs 1.8L, will it makes a difference?
i do not need to ferry my families around, because i am still young at 25yo. Wanted to get a big car because i had seen many ladies driving around with big cars! Some even drove toyota celica with P-plate...haha...of course,i cant afford all those sporty car, and since i cant afford, might as well get one big one to Crash them...hehe...its the ego thing lah....
you guys may as well tell me not to get one since i am getting an OPC or to get a small car,etc....but it lies in all guys ego.....you cant run away from it
so,please...help me to choose between these two....in term of resale value as i really need to get some cash back after 5-7years later,which one will fetch more?can someone pls help me to calculate?...many thanks!!! -
go get class 4 or 5, drive a bus.
tts the biggest u can find.. better than caren or whatever SUV, MPV u can find.
u r honest no doubt....but u are pissing alot of ladies with ur ego balls. -
How much r u earning per mth?? $3k? A car is a form of transport.... no point getting a big one to boost ego.... Well, vios is gd enuff to drive.... Dun add aditional burden to urself.... after all, we as guys starts working later than girls.... u cannot compare urself to ur peers of the opposite sex.
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Kia carens reflects a family man look. Vios reflects a yound adult look. Just see what kind of looks are you going for?
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Hello Benhur,Originally posted by benhur80:toyota vios 1.5L(Auto) and kia carens 1.8L(Auto)
buying either one of them OPC. which is better. road tax not an issue since it is OPC.
toyota vios at 58Kplus, and kia carens at 67Kplus
in term of space and capacity, kia carens win...but,in term of resale value, which is better. i know toyota has a better resale value, but now its 1.5L vs 1.8L, will it makes a difference?
i do not need to ferry my families around, because i am still young at 25yo. Wanted to get a big car because i had seen many ladies driving around with big cars! Some even drove toyota celica with P-plate...haha...of course,i cant afford all those sporty car, and since i cant afford, might as well get one big one to Crash them...hehe...its the ego thing lah....
you guys may as well tell me not to get one since i am getting an OPC or to get a small car,etc....but it lies in all guys ego.....you cant run away from it
so,please...help me to choose between these two....in term of resale value as i really need to get some cash back after 5-7years later,which one will fetch more?can someone pls help me to calculate?...many thanks!!!
I join the rest in having doubts over what are your ultimate aims... Its easy to understand the need for OPC but which in your case it does not seems to apply... You are giving me the impression that you need one for wayang; merely wayang... And you are choosing 2 car models that seriously speaking; won't turn heads... So u sure u doing this? And what's there to wayang on weekday nights or weekends when there isn't so much traffic on the road???? Unless you intend to make circles from Borders to City Hall and back then perhaps you do have a ground to justify. But even then, it's a poor justification doing that...
U sure your ego is worth spending that kind of $???? -
WAHAHAHAHAAH!!! im really laughing my a$$ of from your reply hahahahaa!!!!! actually kinda true!! hahahahahaha get a bus or a lorry...hahahahaOriginally posted by vroomvroom:go get class 4 or 5, drive a bus.
tts the biggest u can find.. better than caren or whatever SUV, MPV u can find.
u r honest no doubt....but u are pissing alot of ladies with ur ego balls. -
Tell you what, go get the vios, take out all the toyota logos you can find in the car, change all of them into bmw logos.
This would probably boost your ego by a quantum leap. 
Then the best is when you sell, you get back resale value of a toyota!!!
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i welcome all flame.
my purpose of getting OPC is that i cant stand the fact i am letting government earn money with the exorbitant road tax, and 17,000 upfront etc.
what i feel is, that i earn as hard, i am going to spend as hard,on myself and loves ones...but,i am not going to spend on government by paying the road tax and the 17,000!!!
well,u may think what for i need a opc car when there is restricted timing,but have you ever think that when i am at work, isnt the car idling parking at my workplace for 8hrs or more.....if it is a normal car, it will be a waste or money...if it is OPC, then it is idling with good worth!! and also....by idling around in the open space carpark also makes me save money on the fuel...and like i say earlier, i dun like the idea of spending money on the government,this time on US....contributing to the oil hikes for them to rebuilt iraq.....i like to spend on my loves one...and for your info,this is not wayang! -
one day got 24hrs......sleep time 10 hrs.......if work more than 8hrs a day...isnt opc a better deal?
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I c your point now... but seriously speaking the way you maintain your mentality on being "tew" by the government when buying a car will continue to bog you down even if you get an OPC. The simple fact remains that everything that got to do with the car the government will definitely "earn one hand" inside it... From petrol to road tax to insurance to season parking to veh inspection to buying the car itself; GST, ARF, RF, servicing costs etc etc etc the government have a share in it. Tobacco and Vehicle are 2 main income source for the government coffers. They can't encourage you to smoke more to beef up their treasury but they certainly can make cars more affordable by lowering ARF and increasing COE quota. So in a way, pple like you who a bit 'anti-government' will think that you actually get away with a bargain getting an OPC. But the fact remains after you get that OPC car, you are still trapped inside this rat race... Try to suppress those hallucinations of yours thinking you found a way out beating the system. As long as you dun like the system at all, you will always find fault with it. And you will never be satisfied. So what's the point of getting a car at all then?Originally posted by benhur80:one day got 24hrs......sleep time 10 hrs.......if work more than 8hrs a day...isnt opc a better deal?
Its been 2 days since u posted the thread. I seriously cannot offer you any good advise based on your situations and conditions. And from the cold response to this thread so far, I guess I can only wished you all the best in getting the answer you want... You got to convince the rest why your thread should draw more aggressive debates than the sarcastic and unconstructive remarks that you had received so far... -
hello see tees,
As you said,Tobacco and car selling are government main sources of income.
Tobacco harms health, but still many ppl buy and smoke even there is increase of price. Why?because they enjoy it.
what i am trying to say is that when i buy a car,i have to enjoy it. Government comes up with a COE costing from 17-25K per piece of paper. By getting OPC, i actually offset the COE. OPC has no road tax or a minimal of 50bucks. Minus all these,i can get a car which i really really like and enjoy driving and not burning a hole in my pocket. So long as what the government comes out with,i offset it and i get to enjoy it,why not?it is no doubt a depreciating item, but at the same time you get to enjoy the luxury and that is the price i want to pay. By paying 17K for a piece of paper,i dun think so.
its the same as people go in JB to pump oil and buy cigarettes(per pack per person lah) at a discounted price.
dont tell me not even 1 singaporean does that. if you say that all singaporean are very lawful and doesnt try ways and means to beat the system, then we shall end this topic as i feel no point in debating on this issue anymore as it will make you more ignorant on this issue! -
Originally posted by benhur80:hello see tees,
As you said,Tobacco and car selling are government main sources of income.
Tobacco harms health, but still many ppl buy and smoke even there is increase of price. Why?because they enjoy it.
what i am trying to say is that when i buy a car,i have to enjoy it. Government comes up with a COE costing from 17-25K per piece of paper. By getting OPC, i actually offset the COE. OPC has no road tax or a minimal of 50bucks. Minus all these,i can get a car which i really really like and enjoy driving and not burning a hole in my pocket. So long as what the government comes out with,i offset it and i get to enjoy it,why not?it is no doubt a depreciating item, but at the same time you get to enjoy the luxury and that is the price i want to pay. By paying 17K for a piece of paper,i dun think so.
its the same as people go in JB to pump oil and buy cigarettes(per pack per person lah) at a discounted price.
dont tell me not even 1 singaporean does that. if you say that all singaporean are very lawful and doesnt try ways and means to beat the system, then we shall end this topic as i feel no point in debating on this issue anymore as it will make you more ignorant on this issue!
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[quote]Originally posted by benhur80:
OPC has no road tax or a minimal of 50bucks.
I truly agree with you that Singaporeans are opportunists who will not hesitate to beat the system... My point is when it comes to buying a car, there is almost no known method of beating the system. I fully concur that there are a lot of jokers out there risking themselves modifying capacitance switches to their fuel gauges in order to go JB pump petrol. But that is trying to beat the system only after you bought the car...In which the penalties of doing so is often harsh and merciless I should say... it all boils down to your very own mentality that you had already beaten the system while doing so and deriving pleasure while doing it... I must say that's very subjective and differ from person to person....
Anyway I am still very concern abt your knowledge in the OPC scheme... Please do more readup regarding this clause... LTA says: "Discount of $800 per year from normal car road tax, subject to a minimum of $50 per year" That means to say OPC cars enjoy $800 off prevailing tax rate. If your payable road tax is <$50 then you pay $50. Which smart alec told you its $50 or no need to pay? $500 + 0.75 x (EC – 1,000); that's the formulae from LTA. A vios is rated at 1497cc. The road tax payable is $873. Minus $800 u still have to pay $73 per year. For a kia 1.8 your road tax would be: 1600 cc < EC <= 3000 cc S$950 + 1.5 x (EC - 1600) which is = $1240-800 = $440! Yes this figures are not a lot but please be careful and prudent in your research! It really goes to show who's the ignorant one... Fancy thinking that you actually have all the sums work out I think u better re-evaluate your position again... Very worrying that your ego is blinding you on your decision. Anyway its your $ to lose not mine so its all in your liberty to do what you wan with it...
Having said all these I enjoy sparing with you on this issue... Maybe a bit harsh but I hoped so far my comments are of no offence to you. My sincere apologies if you need one... 
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hello see tees,
i know how the opc scheme and i am only stating out an example of minimum 50bucks for roadtax.(i did not mentioned which car i intend to get as i seek from you guys opinion...yes,1.5L roadtax is 73,which is ard the region of 50bucks and i juz state it conveniently without working out the sums)no details calculation from me.if u said roadtax is a major prob, then what about COE price?
from your first comments, you did not give a solid answer to my question regarding which car to choose,neither did the rest.
now,you gave a proper situation as to suggest to me to save more money on road tax btw 1.5 and 1.8L which at least enlighten me with a point on which to choose. this is the sort of point i am seeking. if u say to save money on roadtax,that is a point. others may say it is more spacious and maybe the engine is good,and these are the point i am seeking to gather. the PROS and the CONS....then,from there i can weigh it out. Of coz,money factors weigh the most!!!
if only so u mentioned this earlier advising me to save money on roadtax and forgo the ego thing......and not conveniently go straight to the ego and government thing, we wouldnt have come to this issue at all.
as for the ciggarrettes and pumping of oil, unless u r a member of PAP, i think most will go with this system. -
Yo Benhur,Originally posted by benhur80:i do not need to ferry my families around, because i am still young at 25yo. Wanted to get a big car because i had seen many ladies driving around with big cars! Some even drove toyota celica with P-plate...haha...of course,i cant afford all those sporty car, and since i cant afford, might as well get one big one to Crash them...hehe...its the ego thing lah....
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if only so u mentioned this earlier advising me to save money on roadtax and forgo the ego thing......and not conveniently go straight to the ego and government thing, we wouldnt have come to this issue at all.
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as for the ciggarrettes and pumping of oil, unless u r a member of PAP, i think most will go with this system.
I like the way u put it... No finger pointing but in the beginning you do give us the impression that the real issue behind getting a car for yourself is more of an ego thing than practicality... Thats y the other 2 guys also did not commit to a definitive answer... Haha.. anyway glad we sort everything out... As for the solid answer u r looking for I'm afraid I can't give cos' from my point of view both cars have not much of a resale value to talk abt... One is a reliable brand but with too much of them on the road running (thus selling it would not fetch a good price) and the other one is not even anywhere better than the worst Japanese make... Perhaps u can try considering other makes? More popular ones... These are the ones that will have resale values. Makes like the popular 4 (Nissan, Toyota, Honda n Mit.) But with regards to "crashing" cars driven by ladies in terms of size I really cannot offer any good answer. There is a tradeoff between size and how much u r willing to pay for the road tax so no definite answer to that...
As for the cigarettes and the petrol pumping in JB? Well, we leave that to each individual owners to decide if it's worth the risk and trouble shall we? Else we will venture to nowhere again... -
yes, initially,i do make it sound as if it is the ego thing i am going,but as i term what are my 'needs' for getting a car, would like you fellas brothers opinion whether it is worth it.
as for toyota vios, u said it has no resale value becoz it is too common.However,u ask me to consider the top 4 brand(honda,toyota blah blah...)so,what advise u can give me that satisfy an average car size, good resale value, money worth the driving(preferably engine not sluggish).Do you suggest mazda2? -
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M2? I wouldnt recommend. In fact for your case I would not recommend any Mazdas at all. Nothing personal though. Just hated the idea that the agent is sucking too much profits out of buyers for their cars just becos their cars looks and feels good. For pple like u and me who is more concern on budget, M Cars are out. Their depreciation is way too 'abnormally' steep...
Seriously speaking OPCs have a big problem with resale value less classic and vintage OPCs. I suggested the 4 popular makes is to savage what we can at the end of the day; not becos' they really have better resale values. Well yes they have better (i mean slightly higher) resale value ONLY if you compare them to other makes for the OPC. Yes, the News reported a sruge in OPC ownership in 2004. BUT! But! most of those are Picantos, Getz and Wiras if you noticed on the roads. Some are Citys and Vios. Common traits? Well, they are all budget cars. Not really good looking.. Just functional thats all. These owners are the true hardcore type that insisted nothing less for a car that simply do the pt A to pt B chore but nothing was emphasized on the looks and to a certain extent for picantos and getz; Resale values...
The one daunting requirement in your query is this resale value thing. If you can forego the looks and perhaps settle for something less seriously the picanto and getz is really a very good buy. Now, for these 2, their road tax really only $50. No horse run abt it. Insurance? Will be cheaper since their Market values are lower and their CC are smaller. This helps to cut down even more on your mthly expenditure. Only thing is can you live with such small cars? And how soon do you intend to sell/upgrade the OPC?
Let me go think and read again what r your best options. First time suggesting makes for OPC. A slightly demanding and perculiar case here. Will get back to you asap on my ideas. -
I guess we really need to know which car captures your eyes most on the road? Quite hard to suggest cars out of the blue. For good resale value, I think most Japanese car can promise you that. But now with the gov's rumor of reducing PARF and such, resale car prices are going to be so low that it is going to be a big loss to sell off you car rather than driving it for 10 years.
Personally I would suggest Lancer/Colt or City/Jazz. These cars are less popular than Vios, so you wouldn't be just "another Vios". All are relatively nice car with a decent size. Vios, I guess it is too small for you ego!!
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well, lancer engine is sluggish and too beng-lookalike?correct me if i am wrong
honda comes up top with slightly higher by few Ks compared to others small cars(eg.vios,etc) which their price can actually matches those bigger car,but of course,korean make,if u get what i mean.
OPC car can later registered as a normal car with of course,paying back the price of the COE minus the year that i have used(got formula,but never work it out). My intention is to enjoy the 17K off the market price for about 3-5yrs,before i make up my decision to upgrade to a normal car(if my job by then,requires me to),or to sell it off and get a better,luxury car if my career permits. because by the year 5yrs,i would have fully paid(5yrs loan,intending to get), or partially paid(7years,at most), i would have breakeven etc.....
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OPC for picanto and getz is defintely out for u if ur ego is bruised by the sight of woman driving in flashy car.
Imagine stopping at a traffic light and beside ur car is a woman driver in a Mazda 6 while u are in a small picanto OPC.. based on what u said in ur first post, I dont think u can stomach tt.
What I recommend is go with ur heart...From the way I look at it. There are camps of supporters in Honda, Toyota, Kia, Mazda, Suzuki...etc etc..
We can give u a very logical choice but at the end of the day if u dont like it, You still wont pay for it.
But anyway good discussion here neverthless.
Budget ppl like me who dont give a damm to whatever fark ego issue and only cares abt moving from pt A to pt B would certainly go for a picanto OPC without much hesitation.
Nothing else matter....Not hurting the pocket is my most important consideration.
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my GP teacher told me today that's why the goverment set men's payroll higher than women's. to make up for the lost time in NS.Originally posted by Praetorian111:How much r u earning per mth?? $3k? A car is a form of transport.... no point getting a big one to boost ego.... Well, vios is gd enuff to drive.... Dun add aditional burden to urself.... after all, we as guys starts working later than girls.... u cannot compare urself to ur peers of the opposite sex. -
Little boy, your teacher is only telling you what is being practiced in the gov sector. For those private ones, they don't take this NS thing into consideration. My first job (engineer), I was paid the same as the ladies, and those guys who didn't even earn a honours. Sad to say, though it is true, most teacher do really have real working experences. Most re-entered into the school straight from Uni. Lastly, don't show this to your teacher, definitely kanna fail by your teacher for poor usage of English.Originally posted by devmeister:my GP teacher told me today that's why the goverment set men's payroll higher than women's. to make up for the lost time in NS.
Back to the topic, Benhur80, can you roughly set your budget? Your first post suggest you can afford a 67k car. That is why I suggest Honda. Do remember that there is a reason why it is so expensive. It is quality! If it is within my budget I would rather get it. Big and cheap usually spells trouble. For example, you know how many people curse and swear after they bought Matrix? Ya, its sale is quite good the moment it came to Singapore, spacious MVP and so cheap. After that, everyone started to complain about it. Worse case is news spread so fast than even if you want to get ride of the car, you can't. Because it has no resale value.
Now, from your post, you talk about up-grading. If so, please don't go for non-japanese cars. Japanese cars have build a very good reputation for its reliability. So for resale value, you still have to look at the brand. Alright, if Hondas are a bit out of your budget, and you think lancer is beng (actually I don't, but who cares), how about Suzuki Liana 1.6? Also a nice, reliable car with a decent resale value. Bigger than Vios. Actually City is now ranging from 57.5k (idsi manual) to 63.5k (vtec auto). No really that expensive now, compared to Vios's price 1-2 months ago.
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It is true in the government sectors, but not so true in the private sectors... guys and girls are actually fighting neck to neck to get a job. In the real world, and with all the cost saving and restructuating of firms whoever calls for a lower wage under the same qualifications mostly gets the job.Originally posted by devmeister:my GP teacher told me today that's why the goverment set men's payroll higher than women's. to make up for the lost time in NS.
But well, this is not a point in arguement against serving in NS.
Mhhhh, this is a car thrend.... hehhehe....