Wat's wrong with AYE
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Using AYE daily to work in City...but slow traffic seems to be the norm in the last couple of years.
Accidents are not uncommon - witnessed 2 in the last 3 days
But jams are not necessarily caused by accidents...sometime the signboard just say "slow traffic". There was a period where traffic slowed due to TP stationed near ERP gantry - how ironic!?
Wonder if slow traffic is the norm at other expressways? If so, wat's wrong with our expressways...thot they are meant 2b "express" traffic!? Are our ERP system effective then? Any comments? -
traffic on bke, turning into pie is also the same in the morning. some time smooth, some time bad. and i agree tat, there r time when no accident, but got TP station at the road shoulder there, then the traffic end up jam liao. wonder y scare of tp when u done nth wrong.Originally posted by Redz:Using AYE daily to work in City...but slow traffic seems to be the norm in the last couple of years.
Accidents are not uncommon - witnessed 2 in the last 3 days But jams are not necessarily caused by accidents...sometime the signboard just say "slow traffic". There was a period where traffic slowed due to TP stationed near ERP gantry - how ironic!?
Wonder if slow traffic is the norm at other expressways? If so, wat's wrong with our expressways...thot they are meant 2b "express" traffic!? Are our ERP system effective then? Any comments?
and also, actually accident don cause sure big jam. is becos ppl driving pass k-po, slow down to see and figure out wat happened. tat is y it jam!! -
You trying to hint the gov to increase the time period of ERP in operation, or the charge per pass? You can always get up and leave for work 15mins earlier to avoid the heavy traffic.Originally posted by Redz:......
Wonder if slow traffic is the norm at other expressways? If so, wat's wrong with our expressways...thot they are meant 2b "express" traffic!? Are our ERP system effective then? Any comments?
MRT seldom jam. -
Are u saying we shd accept jams on expressways? Is asking for a smooth traffic a little too much to accept?Originally posted by wbucket:You trying to hint the gov to increase the time period of ERP in operation, or the charge per pass? You can always get up and leave for work 15mins earlier to avoid the heavy traffic.
Btw, we're here to discuss...not hinting anything 2 nobody!? -
there will be jams in other countries when the same route is a popular 'peak' route. u just have to live with it bro.Originally posted by Redz:Are u saying we shd accept jams on expressways? Is asking for a smooth traffic a little too much to accept?
Btw, we're here to discuss...not hinting anything 2 nobody!?
ar bo u can campaign for some companies / schools to start from 10am to 3pm. den confirm u dont get so much cars. coz parents no need rush to send kids to school mar! -
AYE is usually taken by the lorries, trucks and mostly trailers due to nearer to the port areas.
My observation: if the E'way is use by alot these class 4, 5 vehicles along the Lane 3, 4 (or the extreme left lane), you will see more of the Class 3 lorries,vans, pickups hogging onto 2nd lane. And That is when the slow traffic begins.
No offence to ppl driving Class 3 lorries, vans but not all van, lorries drivers are autmatic one, they just hog on the 2nd lane at 60 to 70kmh. -
its the same on PIE or ECP during peak hours.... seriously, peak hour heavy traffic is rather common on popular highways and routes... no point in complaining cos dat makes ur ride a frustrating wan... turn up ur ICE and enjoy ur favouraite songs or DJs on air... or to move out earlier to avoid the peak hr traffic.... cool it fren!
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seriously wish there is a 'evening express' on 95 as well.... takes out the stress man.
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Last time morning got Sintia and Su on FM91.5, only only left Sintia, a bit boring as there is no-longer any conservations.Originally posted by speedygonzales:its the same on PIE or ECP during peak hours.... seriously, peak hour heavy traffic is rather common on popular highways and routes... no point in complaining cos dat makes ur ride a frustrating wan... turn up ur ICE and enjoy ur favouraite songs or DJs on air... or to move out earlier to avoid the peak hr traffic.... cool it fren!
Anyway, like I say, hate jams, take MRT. That is why Gov promotes park and ride scheme. As for lorry all that, since the traffic is already so slow (no large gap between cars), them using the 2nd lane isn't actually road hogging. These guys drive to earn money, so I think that gives them more right to drive. So for us who drive for comfort, can't stand the jam, take MRT. -
the traffic jams characterize the fact that we are living in country with a predominant prob; cheaper cost of vehicle ownership vs infrastruture capable of supporting the additional vehicular movement.
there'll always be jams at peak hour coz thats when ppl travel to and fro work. maybe the government should give incentives to encourage companies to adopt different work schedules like in japan. one shift starts at the normal time, the next about 2 hrs later. imagine if half of our normal working hours, driving workforce practice this, the amount of traffic will cut down by half!
i'm fortunate to be able to live near my workplace now that i've recently shifted. but b4 that, i did have to go through the unpleasant travel along AYE in order to get 2 work so i can really appreciate the frustration shared by our fellow drivers. -
Originally posted by wbucket:
bro, my taste a bit different from you... i already carrying a passenger 'radio' every morning. so i don't appreciate any more radio stations that talks (or more like ads or really lame topics like cooking) ... prefer good music
Last time morning got Sintia and Su on FM91.5, only only left Sintia, a bit boring as there is no-longer any conservations.
the problem with the park/ride scheme is it is a stupid idealology.
Anyway, like I say, hate jams, take MRT. That is why Gov promotes park and ride scheme.
you spend average $1.60/liter of petrol and u get about 10km/liter (conservatively). so $3.20 for 20km which is nearly half of singapore's width. why would you park your car (parking charges?) in an mrt and take a $0.80-$1 bus/mrt to your work place?
Financially, it is a stupid choice, coz you end up paying more.
Personally, it is a stupid choice, coz you forgo your aircon car and squeeze with other people in the public transport *AND* still end up having to pay more.
In this case, money talks. No matter how much the GOV 'encourages', its still just NATO. unless they can say people who subscribe to P&R don't have to pay road taxes. then yes. it is still viable. otherwise, sorry, i'm sticking my guns with the jams.
ok. this point is useless to argue, TP comes, sees your 60km/hr vehicle on lane 2. u get booked. period.
As for lorry all that, since the traffic is already so slow (no large gap between cars), them using the 2nd lane isn't actually road hogging. These guys drive to earn money, so I think that gives them more right to drive. So for us who drive for comfort, can't stand the jam, take MRT.[/b]
there is no question of who has the 'right', be it earning money or not.
coz you cannot rationalise that earning money have more rights, otherwise u will have to give way to taxis. since they are paid per km/second. -
Highway traffic jams are usually caused by heavy vehicles hogging the 3rd and 2nd lane causing other slow moving vehicles to "cruise" in the over taking lanes, then all other traffic gets stuck behind...Originally posted by Redz:Using AYE daily to work in City...but slow traffic seems to be the norm in the last couple of years.
Accidents are not uncommon - witnessed 2 in the last 3 days But jams are not necessarily caused by accidents...sometime the signboard just say "slow traffic". There was a period where traffic slowed due to TP stationed near ERP gantry - how ironic!?
Wonder if slow traffic is the norm at other expressways? If so, wat's wrong with our expressways...thot they are meant 2b "express" traffic!? Are our ERP system effective then? Any comments?
Even removing the heavy vehicles, you get morons driving in the 2nd and overtaking lanes at the same speed as, or slower than, traffic to the left of them, leaving no room for others to overtake... then again, you have traffic buildups.
Instead of raising the cost of everything (true PAP solution to every problem) we need to seriously relook educating drivers and riders here. TPs should stop closing one eye to road hoggers.
I saw a documentary in the US, a traffic watch helicopter flying overhead recorded long stretches of open road infront of road hogging vehicles along several points of a heavily congested highway. They did an experiment pulling these drivers to the side (cops on bikes did that after getting feedback from the copters) and traffic speeds went up by a significant margin. Traffic started to flow smoothly.
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the problem with road hoggers is that there are morons who drive in the 'fast' lane (lane 1 is a damn overtaking lane) when they are going to exit in less than 500 meters.
Thats why the whole damn traffic is slow.. cant these people stick to lane 2 since they are going to exit and not switch lanes during traffic jam?
I've also seen idiots changing in/out of lanes 1 and 2 throughout the 30km stretch of PIE. bunch fu ckwits. change so many times , still lan lan end up infront of me.
advise to those people who hog the 1st lane during peak hours.. if u are going to exit in less than 1km away. please stay the fu ck away from the lane 1. -
I didn't know travelling in lane 2 is illegal for those 60km/hr vehicles. Always saw them overtaking using those lanes. Of course when I say slow, it is when being in lane 1 you still can't drive above 60km/hr.Originally posted by ronnie_2600:ok. this point is useless to argue, TP comes, sees your 60km/hr vehicle on lane 2. u get booked. period.
there is no question of who has the 'right', be it earning money or not.
coz you cannot rationalise that earning money have more rights, otherwise u will have to give way to taxis. since they are paid per km/second.
As for those transport, did I say anything about giving way? Just say if you can't stand the Jams, then stay off the road. Can't comment about the whole lot of these drivers, cause how else are they going to send their goods. Trolley in MRT???
Anyway, I drove PIE. Road jams from passenger vehicles entering the expressway, not by lorries and trucks.
Anyway I don't see the wrong in switching lanes during jams. Of course not for the purpose of jumping Q, but just to filter lane for a turn later on.Originally posted by ronnie_2600:......
Thats why the whole damn traffic is slow.. cant these people stick to lane 2 since they are going to exit and not switch lanes during traffic jam?
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Yesterday when I tried doing that, already 3 wheels into the lane, then heard a soft horn, a yellow cab rush by just to jam brake again right in front of me. That was in a Jam, I already started filtering and 2 cars passed by slowly before I got to where I was before the taxi zoom by me. Impatiences is what accident is all about. -
Glad to see someone sharing the same sentiments abt AYE. Fm hear-say, AYE isn't the worst of traffic in Sg during rush hours.Originally posted by tailslide:the traffic jams characterize the fact that we are living in country with a predominant prob; cheaper cost of vehicle ownership vs infrastruture capable of supporting the additional vehicular movement.
there'll always be jams at peak hour coz thats when ppl travel to and fro work. maybe the government should give incentives to encourage companies to adopt different work schedules like in japan. one shift starts at the normal time, the next about 2 hrs later. imagine if half of our normal working hours, driving workforce practice this, the amount of traffic will cut down by half!
i'm fortunate to be able to live near my workplace now that i've recently shifted. but b4 that, i did have to go through the unpleasant travel along AYE in order to get 2 work so i can really appreciate the frustration shared by our fellow drivers.
So I guess it's the challenge to our gar-men to tackle this; personally, I feel tat abstaince or avoidance are rather negative, n shd only be adopted as last resort if at all. If we accept the problem as it is, we'll never improve. Let our creativity juices flow...or at least adopt successful measures implemented by other countries. -
Originally posted by wbucket:
bro,
As for those transport, did I say anything about giving way? Just say if you can't stand the Jams, then stay off the road. Can't comment about the whole lot of these drivers, cause how else are they going to send their goods. Trolley in MRT???
the point is these fellas clog up lane 2 (and sometimes lane 1). the traffic condition may be slow (eg. 30km/hr) but it doesnt mean u can bring a kangoo to the first lane. ya?
anyway, trolleys are not allowed in mrt btw.
bro, i am suay enough to travel both PIE (eunos-tuas), ECP/aye(bedok-jurong) during peak hours. so i know what i am talking about.
Anyway, I drove PIE. Road jams from passenger vehicles entering the expressway, not by lorries and trucks.
thats the point i am saying lor.
Anyway I don't see the wrong in switching lanes during jams. Of course not for the purpose of jumping Q, but just to filter lane for a turn later on.
Yesterday when I tried doing that, already 3 wheels into the lane, then heard a soft horn, a yellow cab rush by just to jam brake again right in front of me. That was in a Jam, I already started filtering and 2 cars passed by slowly before I got to where I was before the taxi zoom by me. Impatiences is what accident is all about.[/b]
the problem with impatient drivers... wats the point of switching lanes when
there is a jam? This not applies to pple zig zag in lane 2,1 but also to goods vehicles in lane 3 and 2 as well.
u want good example of jokers.... next time observe those idiots on PIE in 1st lane hogging all the way den suddenly turn out to lornie exit. forcing lane 2,3 cars to slow down.
or another example in ECP, those idiots who take lane 1 going towards rocher road and cut all the way to suntec exit just after the ERP gantry in the morning.
goods vehicles on lane 2 don't give way to people coming from lane 3 and the merging lanes.. ur blood sure boil one. -
To be fair, most heavy vehicles along AYE are rather law-abiding in tat they stuck to their lane. In fact, the strange thing I see is tis tend to be the smoothest lane of the 3.Originally posted by Bloop...:Highway traffic jams are usually caused by heavy vehicles hogging the 3rd and 2nd lane causing other slow moving vehicles to "cruise" in the over taking lanes, then all other traffic gets stuck behind...
Even removing the heavy vehicles, you get morons driving in the 2nd and overtaking lanes at the same speed as, or slower than, traffic to the left of them, leaving no room for others to overtake... then again, you have traffic buildups.
Instead of raising the cost of everything (true PAP solution to every problem) we need to seriously relook educating drivers and riders here. TPs should stop closing one eye to road hoggers.
I saw a documentary in the US, a traffic watch helicopter flying overhead recorded long stretches of open road infront of road hogging vehicles along several points of a heavily congested highway. They did an experiment pulling these drivers to the side (cops on bikes did that after getting feedback from the copters) and traffic speeds went up by a significant margin. Traffic started to flow smoothly.
Just my 2 cents.
Most times the pile-ups started on the lane 1 (fastest lane), then it'll spill over to lane 2 as impatient cars changed fm lane 1 to 2. And mind u, there were no accidents wat-so-ever fm the start. So I tend to deduce tat tis cld be the case of poor driving habits (hoggers, etc...). If tat's the case, then I'm afraid it's a long road ahead with the "re-education". -
Ok, today saw an idiot in a Mercedes. I was in lane 1 at 80km/h. That fellow slowly move out of his lane 2. That car's butt just half a car or so in front of me. No Signal. Horn once, still the same, horn a few time, he just continue cutting in. Then that AH slow down in front of me to the extend that 2 cars behind me overtook him. All this until a up-slope, speed up with his "big" car, filter all the way to lane 3.Originally posted by ronnie_2600:......
or another example in ECP, those idiots who take lane 1 going towards rocher road and cut all the way to suntec exit just after the ERP gantry in the morning
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welcome to the club brother. lolz.Originally posted by wbucket:Ok, today saw an idiot in a Mercedes. I was in lane 1 at 80km/h. That fellow slowly move out of his lane 2. That car's butt just half a car or so in front of me. No Signal. Horn once, still the same, horn a few time, he just continue cutting in. Then that AH slow down in front of me to the extend that 2 cars behind me overtook him. All this until a up-slope, speed up with his "big" car, filter all the way to lane 3.
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Let me say this, about slow traffic and general congestion on our expressways; DRIVING ATTITUDES, or MOTORING HABITS.
The simple reasons why our expressways are so congested and slow, is because of the folowing:
1) NO BODY (or rarely) gives way
2) LANE HOGGING (because on the phone or yakking with passenger)
3) UNNECESSARY LANE SWAPPING (trying to be first or in front all the time)
4) NO BODY (or rarely) signals
5) POOR OR NO PLANNED ROUTES (driving without first knowing which route to take)
6) TAILGATING (tailgatee will slow down in retaliation)
7) GENERAL INCONSIDERATE DRIVING
So, the above sums it up. However, the list could go on further...
The problem is not in the design of our roads, it's our motorists!!! -
was driving along PIE towards the west.... stretch was after CTE(AMK exit).... tis nissan sunny was in front of me in the 1st lane.... no car infront of him... travelling at 80km/hr on a 90km/hr stretch.... gave him some time to accelerate so dat i dun haf to change lane to the left to overtake him..... but after another few hundred meters, he's still at the same speed.... finally he changed to the left lane and let me pass..... guess wat he was doing when i passed him? sms-ing on his mobile.... %$$%$%%!!!!!
tok abt road hogging on expressways and causing dangers to other road users!
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Guess we can write a thesis abt this... but wat's the solution, if any!? I'm afraid no amt of ERP nor accidents can eradicate this.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Let me say this, about slow traffic and general congestion on our expressways; DRIVING ATTITUDES, or MOTORING HABITS.
The simple reasons why our expressways are so congested and slow, is because of the folowing:
1) NO BODY (or rarely) gives way
2) LANE HOGGING (because on the phone or yakking with passenger)
3) UNNECESSARY LANE SWAPPING (trying to be first or in front all the time)
4) NO BODY (or rarely) signals
5) POOR OR NO PLANNED ROUTES (driving without first knowing which route to take)
6) TAILGATING (tailgatee will slow down in retaliation)
7) GENERAL INCONSIDERATE DRIVING
So, the above sums it up. However, the list could go on further...
The problem is not in the design of our roads, it's our motorists!!!
We may've achieved economic success as a nation, but individually, we are still so lacking in social maturity - whether on the road or not. Even on the 1st day of CNY I see cars speeding n driving recklessly on the roads...
Now as the no. of new cars and new drivers are hitting the roads by the minutes, I'm bracing myself for safer rides each day