newbie question on manual cars...
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after driving years on an auto car, i've finally made a change and bought a manual car to drive.
since collected about 6 days ago, i've managed to make the engine died-ed at least 10 times so far...
anyway, still trying to get used to it, but my question is, is it very high on fuel consumption if i were to rev the rpm till about 3k before changing gear?
ironically, i'm trying to save a bit on petrol by driving a manual but at the same time, cos i'm trying not to piss the drivers behind me, i'll try to rev to ard 3k on rpm so that the pick-up will be faster.
also, i dont want others to think that i'm REALLY a P-plater by driving so slow lar (even though i purposely put on the P-plate cos i'm driving a manual after a long time since the last time i drove one..)
i guess it's alright to change gear at ard 2.5k, but my car doesnt seem to pick up really slowly ard this rpm... think cos it's a cheapo car...
so, advice please. thanks! -
no need to stick to tat 3000rpm thingy la..
u can even drag to 5000 without problems man.
Some cars u can feel the power at all at 3000rpm -
u have to ram till the tacho reach the max torque or n/m then upshift.........Originally posted by EkBoy:no need to stick to tat 3000rpm thingy la..
u can even drag to 5000 without problems man.
Some cars u can feel the power at all at 3000rpm -
... hey, thanks for the advice, but i'm trying to save on petrol...
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eheh i am havin the same problem as u. juz recently changed to a manual car. i am not sure when shd i change my gear. haha i will always change it ard 2.5k or 2.8k. somewhere near there. but i notice that lots of cars will overtake me or tailgate me till very close.Even van also overtake me. so wat's the most appropriate way to change the gear ?Originally posted by rumie:after driving years on an auto car, i've finally made a change and bought a manual car to drive.
since collected about 6 days ago, i've managed to make the engine died-ed at least 10 times so far...
anyway, still trying to get used to it, but my question is, is it very high on fuel consumption if i were to rev the rpm till about 3k before changing gear?
ironically, i'm trying to save a bit on petrol by driving a manual but at the same time, cos i'm trying not to piss the drivers behind me, i'll try to rev to ard 3k on rpm so that the pick-up will be faster.
also, i dont want others to think that i'm REALLY a P-plater by driving so slow lar (even though i purposely put on the P-plate cos i'm driving a manual after a long time since the last time i drove one..)
i guess it's alright to change gear at ard 2.5k, but my car doesnt seem to pick up really slowly ard this rpm... think cos it's a cheapo car...
so, advice please. thanks!
can someone pls advice. thanks. -
I am able to change gear around 2.5-2.8rpm for my kelisa and yet still keep up with normal traffic. Can be faster than most at the red light. I also just started diving manual after 4 years of non-driving. At first, I rev too. Then later when I saw how my bro handle my car, I tried to shift at lower rpm. But like most un-experience divers, you will experience engine coughing.Originally posted by rumie:... hey, thanks for the advice, but i'm trying to save on petrol...
This is my usual pick up routine now. 1st to 2nd, 2.0-2.5k rpm. 2nd to 3rd, ~3k rpm. 3rd to 4th, ~2.8k rpm. 4th to 5th, ~2.5krpm. Usually if I am the first car at the traffic light, I will be able to shift into 3rd gear before I exit the junction. Once cross, I would be in the 4th.
I guess it is about the speed you shift your gear. Try to create a high enough acceleration so that when you clutch out (free gear), there is enough momentum to roll the car without losing much speed. And of course, don't take forever to upshift. When reach crusing speed, always use 5th gear even when you are only travelling at 60kph. Down-shift when there is a need to accelerate.
Keep playing the gears and clutch. I have to, cause kelisa is really weak. Practices makes perfect, engine stall is common for the first few weeks, you will overcome it. Best if you can get someone experience you know who can drives smoothly to have a test drive on your car (the normal way, not reving one). I actually let 4 others drive my car during my "run-in" stage just to check out their driving method and learn from them. -
As with Kbhucket, I do my gear changes ard the 2500rpm region, seldom above 3000k for normal smooth driving. And can beat most ppl at the red lights.Originally posted by rumie:after driving years on an auto car, i've finally made a change and bought a manual car to drive.
since collected about 6 days ago, i've managed to make the engine died-ed at least 10 times so far...
anyway, still trying to get used to it, but my question is, is it very high on fuel consumption if i were to rev the rpm till about 3k before changing gear?
ironically, i'm trying to save a bit on petrol by driving a manual but at the same time, cos i'm trying not to piss the drivers behind me, i'll try to rev to ard 3k on rpm so that the pick-up will be faster.
also, i dont want others to think that i'm REALLY a P-plater by driving so slow lar (even though i purposely put on the P-plate cos i'm driving a manual after a long time since the last time i drove one..)
i guess it's alright to change gear at ard 2.5k, but my car doesnt seem to pick up really slowly ard this rpm... think cos it's a cheapo car...
so, advice please. thanks!
I guess your problem might be clutch control. Try to find the optimum biting point of your clutch. Most ppl who seldom drive a manual, couldnt catch hold of the point and tend to rav too early or later. For me, I only start raving once i reach the biting. -
hello, he said "driving" not "racing" ........Originally posted by ceecookie:u have to ram till the tacho reach the max torque or n/m then upshift.........
u really can't have the best of both worlds. want better fc, then live with a lighter rite foot and a gentle clutch. want power 2 get ahead, ram the cr@p outta ur engine. alternatively, i think the real concern is for u to find a compromise between ur need to "get ahead" and ur need to conserve fuel.
most larger cc cars or even diesel powered vans/ taxis will naturally produce more torque to pull ahead without even stepping really hard on their accelerators and dats really part of their engine characteristic. can't purposely "tekan" ur car juz to match theirs rite?
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Hey rumie not an expert but i drive a stick too; normally what i do is to keep my eye on the speedo, not the tacho. and to use the lower gears to accelerate rather than stretch it in 3rd and 4th. i used to have that problem as i shifted up too early, resulting in sluggish moving off. try shifting up from 2nd to 3rd around 35kph, then to 4th at around 45-50. thus the engine should only be spinning around 2.3-2.6k before shifting. should give you a balance between FC and decent speed. don't worry about stalling, just try to rev it a bit more and release the clutch slowly, till the day you instinctively know where the biting point is. might i ask what capacity car are you driving? mine is a 1.6L, so you might need to adapt a bit. but dont try accelerating hard in 5th or 4th, it's slow and it strains the engine.
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Take public tpt.Originally posted by rumie:... hey, thanks for the advice, but i'm trying to save on petrol... 
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Hmmm..sounds as if rumie is learning how to drive manualOriginally posted by slacker001:Hey rumie not an expert but i drive a stick too; normally what i do is to keep my eye on the speedo, not the tacho. and to use the lower gears to accelerate rather than stretch it in 3rd and 4th. i used to have that problem as i shifted up too early, resulting in sluggish moving off. try shifting up from 2nd to 3rd around 35kph, then to 4th at around 45-50. thus the engine should only be spinning around 2.3-2.6k before shifting. should give you a balance between FC and decent speed. don't worry about stalling, just try to rev it a bit more and release the clutch slowly, till the day you instinctively know where the biting point is. might i ask what capacity car are you driving? mine is a 1.6L, so you might need to adapt a bit. but dont try accelerating hard in 5th or 4th, it's slow and it strains the engine.
anyway..jus a personal view.. I think it's more effective to follow the techo.. The speed varies from car to car, and also from terrain to terrain. Different cars can reach different speed at the same gear ravved to the same rpm
So if possible, follow rpm -
Actually since not racing.. no need even c speedo or rpm oso.
juz listen to engine sound oso can ma.. -
Set aside about $10 petrol money, drive to quiet location alone or with a buddy, and get to know your manual transmission.
You can look briefly at your tacho now and then, but doing so might make your orientation with manual transmission even more confusing. I'd say feel your engine, feel where your clutch bites, and where your engine begins to shudder. Feel for all these thresholds, then your on your way to driving manual car effectively.
Personally, situation will be better if you had started off in the first place with manual car and then just now switch to auto.
I like auto too, but with a manual vehicle, you can harness the torque better, and you will also notice engine problems earlier. -
it all right to shift @ 2.5k lah
in order to save fuel...1st gear u go off slowly, (canot full throttle to 2.5, waste fuel) car waste alot fuel when trying to move off from stationary. when hit 2.5k, shift v fast to 2nd gear, do the same for all the gear.like tis, ur speed will not drop. u must keep practising
it really make alot of diff if u can shift very fast.
1 to 2 quite easy to shift fast, 2 to 3 more difficult
u canot from 2 shift to N than to 3, too slow liao
while practising, u might miss gear, if tat hapen dun force the gear in, u will break it, just depress clutch & enage gear again.
another way to save fuel is to use alot of expressway. keep ur speed below 80km/h aircon off.
in normal road, dun drive below 50km/h it bad for the FC.
the best range is to keep the speed btw 50 to 80.Originally posted by rumie:after driving years on an auto car, i've finally made a change and bought a manual car to drive.
since collected about 6 days ago, i've managed to make the engine died-ed at least 10 times so far...
anyway, still trying to get used to it, but my question is, is it very high on fuel consumption if i were to rev the rpm till about 3k before changing gear?
ironically, i'm trying to save a bit on petrol by driving a manual but at the same time, cos i'm trying not to piss the drivers behind me, i'll try to rev to ard 3k on rpm so that the pick-up will be faster.
also, i dont want others to think that i'm REALLY a P-plater by driving so slow lar (even though i purposely put on the P-plate cos i'm driving a manual after a long time since the last time i drove one..)
i guess it's alright to change gear at ard 2.5k, but my car doesnt seem to pick up really slowly ard this rpm... think cos it's a cheapo car...
so, advice please. thanks! -
No wonder why my petrol so ex every month.
1st gear to 2nd gear rev to 5-6k rpm.
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you can continue doing dat without having to spend a bomb on fuel..Originally posted by tErI-yAkI:No wonder why my petrol so ex every month.
1st gear to 2nd gear rev to 5-6k rpm.
Get a van..
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To save petrol on manual car, shift up at 2k rpm and below. You will move like a tortise but save a lot of petrol. Keep your revs as low as possible. Never exceed 60km/h in top gear. When you see a red light in the distance, about 500km away, put to neutral and let the car coast to the red light. When going downhill, put to neutral and let gravity pull your car. Try it
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Nah..dat will waste too much fuel..Originally posted by SexFrenzy:To save petrol on manual car, shift up at 2k rpm and below. You will move like a tortise but save a lot of petrol. Keep your revs as low as possible. Never exceed 60km/h in top gear. When you see a red light in the distance, about 500km away, put to neutral and let the car coast to the red light. When going downhill, put to neutral and let gravity pull your car. Try it
my suggestion to you is to pump 2 litres of unleaded 92 into ur car. (dats abt $3) den get outta ur car seat..and start pushing it to ur next destination. Do rem to put to neutral and release handbrake. -
haha! was reading some of the advices given here, and even though some are pretty corny, think within these corny advices are possible solutions!
example: netural gear downslope/stopping before a red light.
BUT, heard this is pretty dangerous, ya? why har?
and, one more question:
cos it's quite embarassing to die engine at traffic light, i always put to half-clutch first and WAITED when i know the red light is about to turn green.
like this will waste petrol or not? -
the ideal rpm to change your gear is when you feel the least jerking motion if not no jerking motion when you release your clutch. that's what i read lah.
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well if u wanna know how to save petrol and make the best out of ur manual transmission, travel in cab more often... take note of how the uncles drive their taxi... they are the pros man... but of course theirs run on diesel, not urs.
"When you see a red light in the distance, about 500km away, put to neutral and let the car coast to the red light. When going downhill, put to neutral and let gravity pull your car."
i heard this will spoilt the transmission gear, can anyone confirm this?? -
half clutch will waste petrol.
those netural gear thingy, no nid try, it rubbish & dangerous.
when coming to a stop, downshift, use engine brake, will save more fuel than just using brake.
got some1 say upshift below 2k, dun believe also, rpm too low, car will straggle to move off, will waste fuel also.....Originally posted by rumie:haha! was reading some of the advices given here, and even though some are pretty corny, think within these corny advices are possible solutions!
example: netural gear downslope/stopping before a red light.
BUT, heard this is pretty dangerous, ya? why har?
and, one more question:
cos it's quite embarassing to die engine at traffic light, i always put to half-clutch first and WAITED when i know the red light is about to turn green.
like this will waste petrol or not? -
Dun worry... it will come naturally to u after a few months... trust me... den u can fully harness the power of the car... tips wise... I always rev slightly above 2k b4 changing gears when the engine is sufficiently warmed up... if not, I keep my revs to very low, ard 1.5 to 1.8k b4 switching gears.. every car is different... so do take time experimenting yr car.
On the point of using neutral gear to coast in... experts point out that this might lead to more fuel wastage since the fuel cut off does not kick in if the gear is not engaged. I am from the opposite camp though... as I feel that fc is definitely improved if u coast in neutral aka "freewheeling". This is cuz the rolling resistance from the car is significantly lower when in neutral gear aka "no engine brake". Thus the car can cruise further.
Evidence?? I happen to know a Toyota Corolla driver who is consistently getting 16 to 17 km/l although he is making a lot of short drives. He drives by reving the engine up to a high speed den switching to neutral to cruise. He only applies the gears when necessary. I m not asking u all to try this... cuz I myself is not comfortable when cruising in neutral. Dun worry, u wun spolit anything in the car. Only problem is safety aspect, since the your wheels might be rotating at different speeds. -
Use engine brake to save fuel?? now that's something new!! You can save fuel when your engine is ravving hard when you down shift!!Originally posted by TRD_Sport_M:half clutch will waste petrol.
those netural gear thingy, no nid try, it rubbish & dangerous.
when coming to a stop, downshift, use engine brake, will save more fuel than just using brake.
got some1 say upshift below 2k, dun believe also, rpm too low, car will straggle to move off, will waste fuel also.....
Well, to each its own. I think its ok to put to neutral to let it roll.. but not neutral on the expressway. As a guide, its ok for me, to put to neutral as long as im going to step on the brakes. (of course not all the time i step the brake i put to neutral.. you noe wad i mean la)
When i learnt to drive, my instructor from bbdc actually told me engine brake is actually the safest way to slow down. as it incorporates the stopping effect from the engine on top of the normal braking. However, it stresses the engine and as we know..stress = not good. The only time I use engine brake is when im going down a steep steep slope or a tight tight long corner -
this is wat i read from other webbie.Originally posted by sunnyMAN:Use engine brake to save fuel?? now that's something new!! You can save fuel when your engine is ravving hard when you down shift!!
Well, to each its own. I think its ok to put to neutral to let it roll.. but not neutral on the expressway. As a guide, its ok for me, to put to neutral as long as im going to step on the brakes. (of course not all the time i step the brake i put to neutral.. you noe wad i mean la)
When i learnt to drive, my instructor from bbdc actually told me engine brake is actually the safest way to slow down. as it incorporates the stopping effect from the engine on top of the normal braking. However, it stresses the engine and as we know..stress = not good. The only time I use engine brake is when im going down a steep steep slope or a tight tight long corner
it will save fuel to use engine brake than in 5 gear, brake all the way till stop.
use engine brake where got stress, u drop 1 by 1, from 6 to 5 to 4 to 3 to 2...
the rpm will rise to 3k+ the most.
if i travel @ 100km/h @ gear6...is 2.9rpm
than i drop to gear5 it only 3k+++
dun use neutral lah very dangerous, if some1 suddenly cut into ur lane, u wan to avoid him, u steer left, ur car might skid!