Mx5 testdrive accident
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The MX-5 is not a new model. And I don't think the test drive model is a brand new one as well.. And turning off the stability control in crowded traffic to 'test the handling' of the car is not a wise choice. I think the car skidded to the extent the DSC couldn't overcome it.Originally posted by KangZ:I think ESP = Electronic Stability Program in a Mercedes. I am not saying it's not the driver's fault (he should shoulder some of the blame), but since he couldn't have gone too fast in heavy traffic and the car came fitted with stability control (maybe he turned it off) or maybe it's just the most basic form of stability control system w/o all the blings blings, perhaps there's sth wrong with the car itself... (can be hardware or software problem). Afterall it's a new model and some bugs are bound to be present. -
WELL.. i think the anti roll worked (The driver survived the roll, obviously) and the SE died because of the impact rather than the roll..Originally posted by HENG@:anyways, i dunno why people are talking about the handling or stability. Its the bloody poor roll-over protection im worried about! like this, u have to wonder how an Audi TT will fare. Or worse, how about those new roadsters and cabriolet with those fancy pop-up roll over hoops will fare! U do realise that while NCAP regulates frontal n side impact protection, they don't regulate roll-over protection ya? Nobody regulates standards for roll-over protection in cars!
And no one really regulates roll-over protection because well, the majority of accidents are frontal and back collisions.. crumple zones were designed for front and back collisions.. No one really expects a car to roll. -
I off mine once. Car spin. too much torque.Originally posted by philia:You know damn right the merc esp is quite awesome. But I have to off it when I go tracking.
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mine r contis.Originally posted by nightsky87:Tyres are a factor as well. Assuming the merc you drove in had Michelin tyres (Think they're stock with new mercs.. correct me if i'm wrong) -
Mine too in US. But in Singapore I think they vary from Michelin to Pirelli.Originally posted by HENG@:mine r contis. -
Icic. My friend's dad drives a E240 and I noticed they're Michelin tyresOriginally posted by philia:Mine too in US. But in Singapore I think they vary from Michelin to Pirelli. -
but they do. we're supposed to prepare for most possibilties aren't we?Originally posted by nightsky87:WELL.. i think the anti roll worked (The driver survived the roll, obviously) and the SE died because of the impact rather than the roll..
And no one really regulates roll-over protection because well, the majority of accidents are frontal and back collisions.. crumple zones were designed for front and back collisions.. No one really expects a car to roll.
and i dunno her side does look kinda squashed from the top as well. -
Do you notice the MX-5 ads to the left of this topics?
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think mine came with conti sportcontacts when they came n we've been ftting the same tyre on everytime we replace the tyres.Originally posted by philia:Mine too in US. But in Singapore I think they vary from Michelin to Pirelli. -
its an automatic thing. u notice a lot of sex ads in those perverted Bar topics.Originally posted by philia:Do you notice the MX-5 ads to the left of this topics? -
Exactly, mine is Sportcontacts 2. These stupid tyres had to be imported when i busted the a tyre a while after I got the car. Where is your merc at?Originally posted by HENG@:think mine came with conti sportcontacts when they came n we've been ftting the same tyre on everytime we replace the tyres. -
singapore. E200 Kompressor.Originally posted by philia:Exactly, mine is Sportcontacts 2. These stupid tyres had to be imported when i busted the a tyre a while after I got the car. Where is your merc at? -
I'm quite sure Mazda launched its new MX5 a few months back. But the old and new models look kinda similar, so I am not sure whether the car involved is the latest MX5.Originally posted by nightsky87:The MX-5 is not a new model. And I don't think the test drive model is a brand new one as well.. And turning off the stability control in crowded traffic to 'test the handling' of the car is not a wise choice. I think the car skidded to the extent the DSC couldn't overcome it. -
it is. this is the new 3rd gen MX-5Originally posted by KangZ:I'm quite sure Mazda launched its new MX5 a few months back. But the old and new models look kinda similar, so I am not sure whether the car involved is the latest MX5. -
Still excuses !!! You say it, it is raining, maybe slower will not need you to jammed accelerator ! which end up tail-fishing. Anyway good for you at least you didn't speed that fast and as you can see you still control your car.Originally posted by philia:I just feel that you have no right to assume or take a concrete decision on the extent of the driver's mistake especially since you were not present during the incident.
I have driven through that metal platings there before during rainy days and I found my car (an FR) tail-fishing when I jammed the accelerator (ESP was activated so nothing happened).
You should consider if such an incident would happen had the driver swerved his car on ashpalt instead of metal plating.
If not speeding even swerved on asphpalt will not have that much impact. Yep a whole bunch of excuse is given in the end what ever factor say, he still make one mistake that is speeding. -
In initial D 4th stage anime act 2, the miata did a 360 roll, landed on its top and then its feet again after it tried to get its wheel out a longkang at high speeds. ok that was an anime, don't say so much....shhhh....
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Yes his mistake is limited to the extent that he chose to swerve the car instead of braking. However, SpoonX already stated that the driver did not speed and currently SpoonX's statement is the most reliable among all the different hypothesis considering he is related to the driver. The extent of his research also shows that he had analyzed the incident more thoroughly than others in this forum.Originally posted by storywolf:Still excuses !!! You say it, it is raining, maybe slower will not need you to jammed accelerator ! which end up tail-fishing. Anyway good for you at least you didn't speed that fast and as you can see you still control your car.
If not speeding even swerved on asphpalt will not have that much impact. Yep a whole bunch of excuse is given in the end what ever factor say, he still make one mistake that is speeding.
Let's respect his claim that the driver did not speed unless you can come up with a more concrete evidence that the driver was actually speeding. -
honestly, the instinct to swerve is more prominent than the instinct to jam brakes. I've experienced it a few times myself.Originally posted by philia:Yes his mistake is limited to the extent that he chose to swerve the car instead of braking. However, SpoonX already stated that the driver did not speed and currently SpoonX's statement is the most reliable among all the different hypothesis considering he is related to the driver. The extent of his research also shows that he had analyzed the incident more thoroughly than others in this forum.
Let's respect his claim that the driver did not speed unless you can come up with a more concrete evidence that the driver was actually speeding. -
Well it depends on the situation for me. The instinct to swerve would have been more overwhelming if the object of obstruction is of close proximity. If a vehicle / an object is at a reasonable distance, I would jam the brake without second thoughts.Originally posted by HENG@:honestly, the instinct to swerve is more prominent than the instinct to jam brakes. I've experienced it a few times myself. -
well thats true. I would more likely start braking if it was further.Originally posted by philia:Well it depends on the situation for me. The instinct to swerve would have been more overwhelming if the object of obstruction is of close proximity. If a vehicle / an object is at a reasonable distance, I would jam the brake without second thoughts. -
last year when i was taking my first TP there was this damn arse lorry which swerve into my lane at eunoslink (where i had to change 3 lanes to get to the lane closest to the curb on the right to make an U turn)... i was like
luckily i braked in time.... swerving to avoid the lorry never came into my mind... if not.. you all could have watched an interesting news on TV.. L plate nissan sunny swerved, hit the curb, and flipped at Eunoslink...
In the end,I kena IF. coz the tester said it was NEAR accident. I was just a few minutes from passing my TP!!!!!!! ARghz.. damn that freak driving that lorry. -
This is a freak accident and I believe it has got nothing to do with the car designs, engineering or its roll-over protection. Miata is no a new car, and I doubt it could survive for so many years if their safety feature are not properly designed. For this case with or without the roll protection the passenge will not be able to survive head on size impact from the BMW. (btw, I think this car has got permenent roll bar) The only thing that might save the passenger is probably the side protection airbags, but for this case it didnt.Originally posted by HENG@:i won't call the handling of the MX 5 poor. just different due to its layout. but I'd definately say the roll-over protection is appallingly Fucked up. Especially now that we know its a low speed accident. I expected better in this modern age of automotive engineering and technology. Like I said my impression of the car has dropped by 10 over notches.
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Spent the last 30 to 40 mins reading thru the whole discussion from page 1.
It is a sad thing to have happened indeed, I do not drive but I have travelled along that stretch of road on more than one occassion and the loud sound the tyre makes when it's on the metal plate is unsettling indeed.
Condolences to SpoonX for the lost of his friend and the 'bad thing' that happened to another.
Noted there there have been some sympathetic remarks, as well as several sarcastic and caustic ones.
Anyway, what has happened has happened, no point blaming anybody.
Ever heard of 'Tian shi di li ren he"? That's a combination of the deciding factors all at the same time, fate and destiny included.
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YCK or Lentor? From your description, it seems to be the section of tracks between YCK and Khatib.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:This chap drove a Mercedes to the Mazda showroom to test drive the MX-5 leh..
He's confirm a white horse (his dad must be somebody), he'll surely will be let off lightly, just like the jerk who drove his car up the MRT tracks in Yio Chu Kang. -
Mazda sales sure drop..... BMW sales increase *on a lighter note*
Anyway what's happened already happened... what we say wun change a thing... Im sure the driver didnt wish this to happen...
Its a lesson for us living drivers, always be careful and beware of unexpected circumstances, and i think if everyone is considerate and gif way, roads will be alot safer.. no need to act hero and wan to win all the time....
may the ger rip.