Mx5 testdrive accident
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Philia is correct....
its just fate.
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i cant help but wanna reply to this post of yours.
1. Driver did not take Mazda TestDrive Route
The salesgirl must share some responsibility in this field since she got lost. Besides, she could always say no to other road alternatives.
failing to take the normal test route..does it means she has to be killed in such a way? pls be sensible, she is doing sales..u expect her to tell that chap to go back to mazda showroom the moment they step out of it? be in her shoes.
2. Driver did not only kill Salesgirl but injuried another 5 in a BMW 3 Series. A child was even in the BMW.
You must include other attributes that lead to the accident as well (i.e. metal-platings, road conditions, traffic and the BMW which was reportedly changing lanes recklessly).
so many people has drove on that particular road almost everyday...i ever drove on that road too..if the metal platings kills, i think probably it would haf caused tons of cars to crash during this period of time. road/traffic conditions? it is something which the driver has to adapt to. don't tell me u havent learn it in the driving sch? the instructor can only teach u so much but it's your own anticipation & judgement that counts. if u freaking dun even haf these basic qualities, i suggest he should just take public transport. such a person is a hazard to all road users. the bmw that cuts into his lane? come on..everyone knows if u really keep within the speed limit, there is every chance u could just e-brake in time. swerving to the sides? unless u gone thru some advance driving course. i doubt the guy went thru it.
The question now is would the driver admit what happen in drive.
You mean he would deny that he crashed the car? The news papers already exposed him and you guys in the forums are already throwing acid bottles in his face before he could even admit.
he is in control of the vehicle at the point of the incident. what do u mean by deny? we throwing acid at him? come on. its the truth and fact that he crash the vehicle. no denying it.
1. How fast was the car before accident?
He was travelling well within the speed limit. There is NO evidence that he is speeding at any point of time or given situation.
who are u trying to kid? are u in the vehicle? did u snap his travelling speed with a laser gun or something? how are u so sure that the damn chap didnt exceed the limit? yes NO evidence of he is speeding at the point of time but same APPLIES to you having no evidence of not exceeding the speed limit. however SIMPLE PHYSICS shows that the requried amount of kinetic energy needed for that kind of impact certainly exceeds the speed limit of 40 or 50km/h. its a god damn fact no one can deny. touch your heart, ask yourself..how often do u keep to the speed limit of 50km/h on a minor road? do u drive that speed when u test drive a car? i admit i don't. and if you insist on lying to yourself, fine. no comments on that.
2. What was happening?
If you do not even know the answer to this, how the hell did you come up with your verdict?
as answered on the above. but simple physics shows evidence and facts we can't deny
3. Was it because the salesgirl disturb him and made him not consentate on The road as she was rushing off for a wedding dinner?
Same answer to question 2.
how to disturb? steer the steering wheel for him? craps. like i said earlier, as a driver should be able to adapt to all conditions & react according to it. if u can't u are not fit to drive. so its pure bullshit to accuse the SE of this.
4. Why did he not take the Mazda TestDrive Route?
The salesgirl was lost and please take into account that he might be totally clueless about the standard Mazda TestDrive Route. Anyway, it is also the responsibility of the salesgirl to instruct the customer regarding the directions and routes.
how sure are u that the SE lost her way? could it be a case of the driver aren't able to stick to the standard route? yes, it was the SE's responsibilities to "ADVISE" the customer regarding the routes but at the end of the day, it's still the fellow who's behind the wheels that makes the decison. even if the poor gal were to lose her way, does it means that she has to be subjected to such a end to her bright young life? your statements on the SE is senseless.
no matter how tough the condition is, ultimately its the driver's responsibility to adapt & ensure the safety of the passanger in the vehicle. u cant deny this. looking at the poor gal's picture on the news paper, dun u feel sad? her smile, the look in her eyes, u can tell she has so many dreams yet to be achieved & some much yet to be done. reading your statement on her really makes me felt how pathetic our society has become. an innocent life taken away yet the poor gal has been blamed as well..this is sad. -
Originally posted by so_nice:
It seems that you have terribly misinterpreted my whole argument. To top it off, I bet you did not read the previous threads (SpoonX's clarification is crucial)
i cant help but wanna reply to this post of yours.
1. Driver did not take Mazda TestDrive Route
The salesgirl must share some responsibility in this field since she got lost. Besides, she could always say no to other road alternatives.
[b]failing to take the normal test route..does it means she has to be killed in such a way? pls be sensible, she is doing sales..u expect her to tell that chap to go back to mazda showroom the moment they step out of it? be in her shoes.
2. Driver did not only kill Salesgirl but injuried another 5 in a BMW 3 Series. A child was even in the BMW.
You must include other attributes that lead to the accident as well (i.e. metal-platings, road conditions, traffic and the BMW which was reportedly changing lanes recklessly).
so many people has drove on that particular road almost everyday...i ever drove on that road too..if the metal platings kills, i think probably it would haf caused tons of cars to crash during this period of time. road/traffic conditions? it is something which the driver has to adapt to. don't tell me u havent learn it in the driving sch? the instructor can only teach u so much but it's your own anticipation & judgement that counts. if u freaking dun even haf these basic qualities, i suggest he should just take public transport. such a person is a hazard to all road users. the bmw that cuts into his lane? come on..everyone knows if u really keep within the speed limit, there is every chance u could just e-brake in time. swerving to the sides? unless u gone thru some advance driving course. i doubt the guy went thru it.
The question now is would the driver admit what happen in drive.
You mean he would deny that he crashed the car? The news papers already exposed him and you guys in the forums are already throwing acid bottles in his face before he could even admit.
he is in control of the vehicle at the point of the incident. what do u mean by deny? we throwing acid at him? come on. its the truth and fact that he crash the vehicle. no denying it.
1. How fast was the car before accident?
He was travelling well within the speed limit. There is NO evidence that he is speeding at any point of time or given situation.
who are u trying to kid? are u in the vehicle? did u snap his travelling speed with a laser gun or something? how are u so sure that the damn chap didnt exceed the limit? yes NO evidence of he is speeding at the point of time but same APPLIES to you having no evidence of not exceeding the speed limit. however SIMPLE PHYSICS shows that the requried amount of kinetic energy needed for that kind of impact certainly exceeds the speed limit of 40 or 50km/h. its a god damn fact no one can deny. touch your heart, ask yourself..how often do u keep to the speed limit of 50km/h on a minor road? do u drive that speed when u test drive a car? i admit i don't. and if you insist on lying to yourself, fine. no comments on that.
2. What was happening?
If you do not even know the answer to this, how the hell did you come up with your verdict?
as answered on the above. but simple physics shows evidence and facts we can't deny
3. Was it because the salesgirl disturb him and made him not consentate on The road as she was rushing off for a wedding dinner?
Same answer to question 2.
how to disturb? steer the steering wheel for him? craps. like i said earlier, as a driver should be able to adapt to all conditions & react according to it. if u can't u are not fit to drive. so its pure bullshit to accuse the SE of this.
4. Why did he not take the Mazda TestDrive Route?
The salesgirl was lost and please take into account that he might be totally clueless about the standard Mazda TestDrive Route. Anyway, it is also the responsibility of the salesgirl to instruct the customer regarding the directions and routes.
how sure are u that the SE lost her way? could it be a case of the driver aren't able to stick to the standard route? yes, it was the SE's responsibilities to "ADVISE" the customer regarding the routes but at the end of the day, it's still the fellow who's behind the wheels that makes the decison. even if the poor gal were to lose her way, does it means that she has to be subjected to such a end to her bright young life? your statements on the SE is senseless.
no matter how tough the condition is, ultimately its the driver's responsibility to adapt & ensure the safety of the passanger in the vehicle. u cant deny this. looking at the poor gal's picture on the news paper, dun u feel sad? her smile, the look in her eyes, u can tell she has so many dreams yet to be achieved & some much yet to be done. reading your statement on her really makes me felt how pathetic our society has become. an innocent life taken away yet the poor gal has been blamed as well..this is sad.[/b]
he is in control of the vehicle at the point of the incident. what do u mean by deny? we throwing acid at him? come on. its the truth and fact that he crash the vehicle. no denying it.
Firstly, I did not deny that the driver had caused the accident. It was a question of whether the person who had originally posted this hypothesis actually believed that the driver would not admit that he was the culprit. The part about throwing acid is in reference to the previous reactions people had regarding the driver (another proof you did not read the past posts).
Anyway, I do not wish to repeat myself as to the nature of accident. And I can safely assure you that a car do not have to travel at high speed to flip if enough momentum is gained along with a proper fulcrum.
Please refer to thread 2 for further discussions. I do not have that much free time explaining to every single one of you. And I bet you are not alone. -
the issue of u having any free time to explain to me(or the rest) is none of my concern.
didn't read previous post? i haf read from the very 1st page fyi. u didn't get my point too. the part of deny wasn't my concern. from my past experiences as a police officer, i know the law will get him. u need a certain amount of moving force to gain that momentum which results in that impact. i'm just feeling sad about the fact that this poor gal had her life ended in the worst possible way by an idiot & yet some are still saying she has to be held responsible as well? isn't that senseless? she's just an hardworking gal trying to promote the car to a joker who has no intention of buying..is she to be blamed? be fair to her.
during my yrs here i haf never flame or wanted to start an flaming session. be fair to the poor gal. she should never be fault..its not a case of driving instructor and learner. so the drive should be held fully responsible. -
Regrettably, as a police officer, you fail to view the case with a netural stance.Originally posted by so_nice:the issue of u having any free time to explain to me(or the rest) is none of my concern.
didn't read previous post? i haf read from the very 1st page fyi. u didn't get my point too. the part of deny wasn't my concern. from my past experiences as a police officer, i know the law will get him. u need a certain amount of moving force to gain that momentum which results in that impact. i'm just feeling sad about the fact that this poor gal had her life ended in the worst possible way by an idiot & yet some are still saying she has to be held responsible as well? isn't that senseless? she's just an hardworking gal trying to promote the car to a joker who has no intention of buying..is she to be blamed? be fair to her.
during my yrs here i haf never flame or wanted to start an flaming session. be fair to the poor gal. she should never be fault..its not a case of driving instructor and learner. so the drive should be held fully responsible.
Furthermore, you accused me of claiming that the girl "has to be held responsible" when it is in "black and white" that I said the girl is PARTLY responsible (meaning she is responsible in SOME ways) and I did make myself clear that the culprit is wrong.
To 2nd that, if my issue is of no concern to you why did you even bother addressing to my post and when I tried to reason with your false accusations, you "word-slapped" me.
3rdly, I did not state that he should escape the law nor did I claim that the law will not get him. So I do not see the point of you making that statement.
4thly, your conclusion that the driver should be totally held responsible obviously did not consider on the effect those two BMWs had.
Your years as police may have educated you in the field of crime. However, this is not classified as a crime. This incident falls under "Accident" and accidents need to be looked upon with utmost neutrality taking into considerations the myriad of attributes that propel such an event.
My sympathies go with the salesgirl nonetheless. -
Another rampant accusation (I plan to ignore this but the more I read it, the more convinced I am that you did not read SpoonX's explanation).Originally posted by so_nice:[b]who are u trying to kid? are u in the vehicle? did u snap his travelling speed with a laser gun or something? how are u so sure that the damn chap didnt exceed the limit? yes NO evidence of he is speeding at the point of time but same APPLIES to you having no evidence of not exceeding the speed limit. however SIMPLE PHYSICS shows that the requried amount of kinetic energy needed for that kind of impact certainly exceeds the speed limit of 40 or 50km/h. its a god damn fact no one can deny. touch your heart, ask yourself..how often do u keep to the speed limit of 50km/h on a minor road? do u drive that speed when u test drive a car? i admit i don't. and if you insist on lying to yourself, fine. no comments on that.
I am not in the vehicle. I did not snap his traveling speed with laser gun. But SpoonX (he is the only one out of all people in this forum whose information is considered "reliable" since he had gathered information from eyewitnesses and not to mention he directly know the driver) declared that the driver DID NOT speed.
Contemplate upon your denial that the driver did not speed. As a police officer, you are now questioning the reliability of an eye-witness and has allowed personal emotions to hinder your judgment.
Also, in case you are questioning the possibility of the Mazda to reach that kind of impact (do you know that it actually FLIPPED?) at 50kph is neither nil nor impossible? (for further info. read thread no. 2 regarding an incident with my C-class). -
I'm impressed! so much effort in put into explaining ur point of view from an incident that will soon be forgotten in a week's time and the road will once be filled with mx5s
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Ultimately its the driver's responsibility to adapt and ensure the safety of the passenger in the vehicle. ==> Ultimately, yes but not completely.Originally posted by so_nice:no matter how tough the condition is, ultimately its the driver's responsibility to adapt & ensure the safety of the passanger in the vehicle. u cant deny this. looking at the poor gal's picture on the news paper, dun u feel sad? her smile, the look in her eyes, u can tell she has so many dreams yet to be achieved & some much yet to be done. reading your statement on her really makes me felt how pathetic our society has become. an innocent life taken away yet the poor gal has been blamed as well..this is sad.
I understand your distress that some mishap had claimed the life of a little girl. And yes she has dreams, she is sweet, lovely etc. Is my statement about her failure to identify the MazdaRoadTest course, even though she is supposed to be responsible on the subject, wrong?
Just for your info, no hidden meaning or whatsoever, 30, 000 civilians were killed in the recent Iraq war. Are you 30, 000 times more depressed about that fact?
I can safely assure you that there are people in this forum who feel more for the death of the salesgirl than the Iraqis. -
Well you should be impressed since you can only come up with this comment.Originally posted by leddy:I'm impressed! so much effort in put into explaining ur point of view from an incident that will soon be forgotten in a week's time and the road will once be filled with mx5s
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i agreed wif u on this statement.Originally posted by philia:My sympathies go with the salesgirl nonetheless.
as for eye wittiness, how are they gonna define "fast"? to some, it looked fast but others might seems slow. eye wittiness's statements are references but will never be 100% reliable. not saying that they are lying but sometimes wittinessing the incident, understanding what has happened & being able to relay it into words are different. -
as for SpoonX's statement, how sure are we that the driver has choosed to tell him the truth? there are 2 sides of a coin. if the driver choose to tell SpoonX the head, we'll never be able to make out wat's at the tail. iraqis? there are just too many things involved & some things are planned and staged. as for this incident, it can be avoided had the chap been careful enough & not over-estimating his own ability by driving such a powerful car with his relatively lacking in driving experience. perhaps my post earlier was abit aggressive but i'm standing by my comments on the driver. but one thing i haf to make it clear..u aren't wrong too. just that we hold different views on this incident.
watever it is, a life has lost & can never be replaced no matter wat punishment this chap's gonna received. he shall live wif guilt for the rest of his life. -
mx-5? we aren't so rich brother...Originally posted by leddy:I'm impressed! so much effort in put into explaining ur point of view from an incident that will soon be forgotten in a week's time and the road will once be filled with mx5s
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It's just too bad that the new MX-5 doesnt really offer as much passenger protection as german-made cars.
has anyone noticed a couple weeks ago, a badly crashed white porsche GT3 being towed, or being transport as it was on a flatbed truck? that car encountered a pool of flowing water along the malaysian highway, aqua-planed off the road and down slope and landed upside-down. it's roof caved in, towards the left side.
Both the driver AND passenger escaped any serious injuries, the passenger car seat actually stopped the roof from smashing down onto the passenger himself. He suffered only a scratch on his hand as he was covering his head with them.
You always read on the papers that say "driver lost control of the vehicle", my guess is that he must have been speeding in the centre or outermost lane, suddenly encountered another vehicle which had cut into his lane or the car in front suddenly stopped, he veered the car to the side to avoid hitting but wasn't quick enough to steer back, car mounts the centre divider and hits the oncoming car. like i mentioned, just a guess.
i really feel sorry for the salesgirl's family... that driver on bail better have the heart to apologies to her family at least. -
look at straits times obituary , she is a very gorgeous gal
a minute of silence for her
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I dun flash headlight, I dun horn other people(in fact I always forget to horn when I should use it) and I do not speed on highway anymore. In fact I engage my merc's speed limiter to 10km/h above the speed limit allowin for the fact that car manufacturers set their speeds to read 10 mph faster than the actual car speed.Originally posted by sbst275:If you were to see on SG roads, the worst type of drivers are those in 20's or 30's that drives European cars. Horning at other cars, flash headlights, speed on highway, (long list)
I think your observation is a very unfair one. What about those in their 2os n 30s who drive Korean cars but do up until very boyracer and go around speeding and revving their engines at other people? -
Maybe of the 2 cars to choose from, the merc is more comfy and more survivalable in an accident leh? My parents prefer me to drive the Merc (as opposed to the Airtrek Turbo R) because they think I stand a much better chance of escaping unscathed in an accident. I don't think that when people choose a car to drive, they're purely looking to show off wealth.Originally posted by nightsky87:More of showing off wealth. -
i dun think anyone is saying she must be killed in such a way, but the fact here is, nobody deliberately wanted to detract from the normal test route. Meaning in this case, I don't think ANYONE is to be blamed for detracting from the test route because, normally it is the responsibility of the sales rep to know, but since she is from another branch, and is unfamiliar with the area, their not being on the test route is really just a quirk of fate. Nobody is to be blamed and thats what philia is trying to put across. Nobody is trying to blame her either.Originally posted by so_nice:i cant help but wanna reply to this post of yours.
failing to take the normal test route..does it means she has to be killed in such a way? pls be sensible, she is doing sales..u expect her to tell that chap to go back to mazda showroom the moment they step out of it? be in her shoes. -
Point taken, I'm just trying to say that some people drive Mercs to show off wealth.Originally posted by HENG@:Maybe of the 2 cars to choose from, the merc is more comfy and more survivalable in an accident leh? My parents prefer me to drive the Merc (as opposed to the Airtrek Turbo R) because they think I stand a much better chance of escaping unscathed in an accident. I don't think that when people choose a car to drive, they're purely looking to show off wealth.
No offense, la
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Integra is FF, not FR! Infact, the only FR Honda cars are NSX and S2000!
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ok none taken. anyways im trying to point out that some people here trying to judge the driver of the MX5 are being rather pointless by judging him from the fact that he drives a white Merc. I mean, if u have the money, whether thru hard work or because u're lucky to have wealthy parents, why shouldn't u be allowed to get the car u want just because u are young? Just because others will eye red?Originally posted by nightsky87:Point taken, I'm just trying to say that some people drive Mercs to show off wealth.
No offense, la
I only frown on those people who get the car they want, and then flaunt it by coming here to start threads like "My father buying me EVO9" etc. -
erm, there has been some new developments in Part 2. SpoonX came back and clarified a few sticking points. He seemed rather sore that all the conspiracy theorists were barking up the wrong tree.Originally posted by HENG@:ok none taken. anyways im trying to point out that some people here trying to judge the driver of the MX5 are being rather pointless by judging him from the fact that he drives a white Merc. I mean, if u have the money, whether thru hard work or because u're lucky to have wealthy parents, why shouldn't u be allowed to get the car u want just because u are young? Just because others will eye red? -
im not surprised. I would be. Just like they did in the case of 2SG Hu's death.Originally posted by iveco:erm, there has been some new developments in Part 2. SpoonX came back and clarified a few sticking points. He seemed rather sore that all the conspiracy theorists were barking up the wrong tree.
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After reading the latest update from SpoonX, I am quite convinced that the merc owner is in the clear. What about you?Originally posted by HENG@:im not surprised. I would be. Just like they did in the case of 2SG Hu's death. -
like i mentioned earlier..2 sides of a coin. how can one be convinenced just by listening to what the chap choosed to tell SpoonX?
remember this, what we got to know is what the chap choosed to tell & not necessary the truth.