How good is Lexus?
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Can the bros here advice me why is Lexus good (or not good)?
I mean, how does it stand against the likes of Mercedes and BMW?
Personally, if I am to choose a luxury sedan for myself, I think I might be going for the beemer.
But no good reasons why. Just thought that the beemer design is nicer.
But then again, there are bros out there who described Lexus cars as nicer design, better equipments, and better value for money than the Merc and BMW.
Asking this because my uncle thinking of getting a luxury sedan soon. Thanks!
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sat in one GS300 before .... and i thought that merc and beemer was good ... but .... i was wrong ... you'll have to sit in one to understand ....
but the downside is when you park .... you will hear an ochestra of beeps warning you this and that ... which i (dun) think u can switch off
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Bro, care to elaborate? Seems like there are a lot of good reviews on the GS300..Originally posted by johncooper:sat in one GS300 before .... and i thought that merc and beemer was good ... but .... i was wrong ... you'll have to sit in one to understand .... -
In terms of reliability, the Germans can never beat the Jap. Quality? Perhaps only Audi can come close to the Jap standards. However, one thing about Lexus is that everywhere you look screams Toyota. That is not a bad thing considering Toyota parts (not sure about Thai built ones) are of quite high quality, but hey you won't want your luxury car to stink of a cheaper brand, do you? I also feel that the interior design of the Germans seem so much more sophisticated... It's like comparing a Sony design with a Bang & Olufsen.
One thing about Lexus is that they offer alot of kit as standard while the Germans offer them as options. Thus, making it extremely good value for money. Where can u get a new fully loaded 3L Merc or Beemer in S'pore under 200k? -
I think most German cars out there are more superior than Lexus. For instance, MB offers a huge range of their high quality Designo leather and different templates of wood trims. All Lexus cars, to my astonishment, still bear the old school green digital clock (which is still in the new IS in fact).Originally posted by KangZ:In terms of reliability, the Germans can never beat the Jap. Quality? Perhaps only Audi can come close to the Jap standards. However, one thing about Lexus is that everywhere you look screams Toyota. That is not a bad thing considering Toyota parts (not sure about Thai built ones) are of quite high quality, but hey you won't want your luxury car to stink of a cheaper brand, do you? I also feel that the interior design of the Germans seem so much more sophisticated... It's like comparing a Sony design with a Bang & Olufsen.
One thing about Lexus is that they offer alot of kit as standard while the Germans offer them as options. Thus, making it extremely good value for money. Where can u get a new fully loaded 3L Merc or Beemer in S'pore under 200k?
Isn't B&O a Danish company? -
The high end model of toyota family will be Lexus follow by toyota crown.
The next in line will be toyota camry.
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Yup B&O is non German company, and I was making a comparison between good Jap and European design. The Designo package in Merc are very expensive and better wood trims cost money too. Compared to Lexus, they never offer you all the bells and whistles as standard (not even the more reasonable ones like premium sound system). You compare the Lexus LS and the S-class, and you know what I mean.Originally posted by philia:I think most German cars out there are more superior than Lexus. For instance, MB offers a huge range of their high quality Designo leather and different templates of wood trims. All Lexus cars, to my astonishment, still bear the old school green digital clock (which is still in the new IS in fact).
Isn't B&O a Danish company?
Yes I hate the digital clock too. It seems horribly out of place in a luxury car. -
Originally posted by Praetorian111:The next in line will be toyota camry.
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crown luxurious? how can a taxi be luxurious?Originally posted by Praetorian111:The high end model of toyota family will be Lexus follow by toyota crown. -
Lexus = Luxurious .
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Haha Royal Crown Saloon is indeed the creme de la creme of Toyota (the price is comparable to E-Class too).Originally posted by AE86tofu:crown luxurious? how can a taxi be luxurious?
However, Toyota Crown... -
Hmm... if we take a poll here.
Which will you choose for a luxury sedan - badging (continental brands like BMW/Merc) or value-for-money (Lexus)? -
my vote will be for the lexus ...
its comfy and its frugal on petrol ... heard it can acheive about 550 on its tank ....
Plus the toyota techology is like whow .... Fusing 2 1500cc VVTLi together to get 3000cc Dual VVTi V6 block ... -
plz la its nt just the badge tt makes it ex for merc lo....u pay for the safety and engineering and quality....Originally posted by sunboy77:Hmm... if we take a poll here.
Which will you choose for a luxury sedan - badging (continental brands like BMW/Merc) or value-for-money (Lexus)? -
dude the 1500cc VVTI is 4 cylinders.....Originally posted by johncooper:my vote will be for the lexus ...
its comfy and its frugal on petrol ... heard it can acheive about 550 on its tank ....
Plus the toyota techology is like whow .... Fusing 2 1500cc VVTLi together to get 3000cc Dual VVTi V6 block ... -
Lexus has a high standard of after-sales service and workmanship. It cannot be rivalled by German marques, however prestigious, in terms of reliability.
JD Power has Lexus ranked as top brand for many years. -
Everything is good, but they still have to improve on thier vehicle handling aspect.
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ditto. Ever sat in a ES300 going thru a corner at 80km/h? Worst than a MErcedes E200Originally posted by ditzy:Everything is good, but they still have to improve on thier vehicle handling aspect. -
have to disagree with you there... you cannot base it on just one sit...Originally posted by johncooper:sat in one GS300 before .... and i thought that merc and beemer was good ... but .... i was wrong ... you'll have to sit in one to understand ....
but the downside is when you park .... you will hear an ochestra of beeps warning you this and that ... which i (dun) think u can switch off
I owned a lexus GS300 and a BMW E39 528i and a Merc E280, so all pretty comparable.
The lexus is ok on first impression, but the more you drive it, the more its handling characteristics irritate you. There is not enough feel through the steering and it does not talk to you as much as the BMW.
I still have the BMW and I love driving it everyday even though now it is a superceeded model. The merc is somewhere inbetween the lexus and the bm...
The lexus also was too floaty in my opinion. The engine is good, but when you compare it to a comparable engine like in the later 530, you will realise that the BMW has a better engine. Testament to this is that the bm engines have been winning best engine for something like 4 years in a row...
The other thing that really irritated me about the lexus is that everywhere you looked in the car, it said toyota corporation japan...
The lexus is too gadety. The seats in the BMW are more comfortable overall, especially over long distances. The merc seats are worse than a lexus. NO support at all.
The lexus gearbox is also not as smooth as the bm I find. Forget the merc... way too slow. -
just ask ur uncle to go test drive all the cars that he likes loh. nothing beats the review coming from his own butt.
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BMW is your choice!
dont buy lexus. its sux. unless you are talking about SC430.
dont get merc if you are still below 35 yo. unless you are getting merc sport like SLK or SL55.
BMW is your choice. from the exterior, it is sporty for young people like us. from the interior, the driving experience is very comforty for the driver. -
I agree... so Wong what do you drive?Which model?Originally posted by WongCH:BMW is your choice!
dont buy lexus. its sux. unless you are talking about SC430.
dont get merc if you are still below 35 yo. unless you are getting merc sport like SLK or SL55.
BMW is your choice. from the exterior, it is sporty for young people like us. from the interior, the driving experience is very comforty for the driver. -
Agreed.Originally posted by AE86tofu:plz la its nt just the badge tt makes it ex for merc lo....u pay for the safety and engineering and quality....
But hee... I actually meant that if after all assessments and considerations (i.e. ceteris paribus), and you are down to one of the 2 choices: badging or value-for-money. Which will you go for?
Hee I draw a very crude analogy: If you are choosing between 2 brands of plasma TV (e.g. "Pioneer" and "Funny-Name-Never-Hear-Before" ) which gives about the same quality, with pros and cons in each, will you go for Pioneer (cos when people come to your house they go "Whoa! You got Pioneer!" ), or will you go for Mr. Never-Hear-Before (bcos it comes with nicer colors, faster response time, higher quality and durability, and cheap! And best of all, throw in a free home theatre system!)
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I think it all depends on what you are looking for in a car.
Not everyone is interested in a car that can go fast round corners, with a stiff and sporty suspension and sports car like acceleration/soundtrack.
In fact i believe the majority of potential buyers who can actually fork out 300k for a car are accomplished middle-age men who are more interested in a car that can provide a luxurious, quiet and comfortable ride. In which case, what better option than a Lexus (especially the LS430)?
Of course, those who are concerned with image may opt for a S350 at a slightly higher price, and those for performance will probably go for a BMW.
Personally, i'd go for the new GS300.
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Anywayz, had some discussion with some other bros somewhere else.
They did not agree that Merc or BMW supercede the Lexus in many areas. E.g. they heard stories abot the E-class and S-Class with the inherent suspension problems (need to change very early), Active Steering that over-compensate (and cause accidents instead of preventing them), and the E-Class throttle map being screwed up when you press the brake together with the accelerator pedal, etc...
And comparing between a GS300 and say... 523. Both at about the same price of $190k (GS300) and $200k (523i). The GS300 is more torquey, 55 more HP, comes with more gadgets. So why does people chiong BMW more than Lexus? You sure they know so much about cars that they arrived at a conclusion that the BMW is technically superior? Don't think so... For me, I will go for BMW because of its badging (You know? The kind of feeling you get when a girl sees your car and goes "Wow! You own a BM? Shall we hump?" and the feeling you get when your long-lost friends shout at you and say "Nbz CB! You own a BM? You dog!" ).
I know some guys will think that comparing the 523 to the GS300 is not correct because the GS300 is 700cc more (about la. hee hee) than the 523. But that's precisely the point! At a $10k savings, a Lexus buyer gets a larger car, better build (c'mon, you can't fault the build quality of a Jap car, can you?), more gadgets, blah blah blah. Especially in the present context of Sillypore, I feel that comparing prices might be also a good guide.
Are most BMW, or Merc owners like me - sucker for badging?