Turbo/ Supercharging a Honda car...
-
..... I've read somewhere that doing so will damage the VTEC engine of the Honda. Therefore turbo charging an Integra or an EG6 is not reccomended. However, I heard that the S2000 is the only VTEC powered car which is safe to Turbo or Super charge!
Anyone care to clarify this?
-
I think the engine block of the B16A isn't designed to coupe with the stress delivered by the turbo. Sounds plausible that S2000 engine is the only one cos it was designed to have the highest horsepower per litre in its class... but generally, Honda's turbo is the VTEC itself, so I would say I wouldn't want to add a turbo in unless i know how to set it real properly without blowing up the engine
-
Wont' that defeat the whole point of its high-revving nature?
-
The Supercharger can be used to give the car an extra boost I guess...Originally posted by seow:Wont' that defeat the whole point of its high-revving nature?
Not sure about high-revving NA engines and how it differs in performance with Supercharged or Turbocharged engines..
-
I think its just so wrong to turbo a VTEC, its like the whole NASA space programme being sponsored by toyota.
-
u would rather it be sponsored by Proton?Originally posted by ditzy:I think its just so wrong to turbo a VTEC, its like the whole NASA space programme being sponsored by toyota. -
Honda is NA al; the way man...just like BMW is....FIing the car would be like destroying the characteristic of the car.....thats what i believe
-
eh if im not wrong the b16a block is quite tough and i doubt nothing will go wrong if u turbo charge it but of course it'll shorten the lifespan of the engine.just like any other engines.Originally posted by tomsss:I think the engine block of the B16A isn't designed to coupe with the stress delivered by the turbo. Sounds plausible that S2000 engine is the only one cos it was designed to have the highest horsepower per litre in its class... but generally, Honda's turbo is the VTEC itself, so I would say I wouldn't want to add a turbo in unless i know how to set it real properly without blowing up the engine -
Hmm. supercharging it should not be a problem. Not sure about the civic but it's been done with the s2000 for many years. And it's very reliable. Also with the atom (my dream track machine), IVTEC 2.0l block with m62 roots supercharger (http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/). Hondas and Bmws are all NA based.
Frankly speaking, if the car wasnÂ’t built for turbo, it'll take a lot of $$$ to get the HP figures you want. Plus it's illegal.
It's best to pop in a bolt on supercharger for NAs, it may be $5000 or so, but it'll def. hold up in SG climates. And easily boost performance up to 30%. If you want to run on the higher numbers, cost goes up exponentially.
Personally speaking, 200whp to 300whp is more than enough for SG roads; you normally have more fun in these cars than those with higher HP because it becomes un drivable especially in SG, that is, from my personal point of view. -
The BMW 3 series will be launching a turbocharged version soon. not NA all the way.Originally posted by AE86tofu:Honda is NA al; the way man...just like BMW is....FIing the car would be like destroying the characteristic of the car.....thats what i believe -
Turboing and Supercharging NA engines are not uncommon, I have seen lots of examples of FI cars... and they drive really well.
there are quite a few companies who do supply a turbo for the honda and BMW engines, much to the angst of you know who... -
i just think that.... if you want more power from your current NA car, got buy a turbo car instead
-
You need to reduce the compression ratio of the cylinders if you add forced induction, or else the operating pressures can get too high and cause serious damage.
-
*listens attentively and takes down notes *
-
e climate in sg is quite bad for turbocharging i believe.. coping wif e heat and rain requires some planning wif ur cooling system oso..
i'm not sure abt how dat affects compression rates though.. -
I thought any engine can b turbo charged......... Just make sure that the engine had to be low compression. Cheapest way is to insert gasket at the engine head block. Add a intercooler and piping that should be abe to do it. But i'm nt sure if it will mess up the ECU, since the fuel/air ratio is different in TC.
-
Talk is easy, when it comes to actually doing it is another thing
Anyway the cooling system would need to be redone as well.... as much as replacing the radiator too.... and i think in my opinion... the civic's radiator is a tad too close to the engine, or rather the exhaust manifold -
It's not that simple. You need the intake and exhaust manifolds to be redesigned to be close enough (to fit the turbine and impellor) and to channel gases properly. Plus an extra pipelines from the oil gallery and to the sump to lubricate the turbocharger. In this weather you'll also need to fit an intercooler to make it more efficient. Don't forget to uprate the brakes.Originally posted by Disappointment:I thought any engine can b turbo charged......... Just make sure that the engine had to be low compression. Cheapest way is to insert gasket at the engine head block. Add a intercooler and piping that should be abe to do it. But i'm nt sure if it will mess up the ECU, since the fuel/air ratio is different in TC. -
What i suggest is concentrating on the TE (thermal efficiency) of your intercooler. If you can insulate your airflow into the intercooler well and block out the heat from yr engine bay to your intercooler, that will greatly help prevent u from losing power esp in this climate. Mind you, this will generate more heat in yr engine bay and you need to monitor it closely. Having an inbuilt water spray to cool the intercooler (air to water system) is another good alternative.
At the end of the day, it's what you want. Prefer the grunt of a turbo, whine of a supercharger, high performance but constant monitoring and maintanence? everything can be done just the matter of money, amount of work and if it's worth it. This 3 things will constantly swirl around in yr head.
-
alot of people here really dun no abt anything, just type & type zzzz
vtec turbo is king!!!!!
got a few b16 with 400++ hp running around in spore loh.
so light car + tc, a rex or evo with 500hp will get smoke till kana lung cancer! -
heat shield?Originally posted by tomsss:Talk is easy, when it comes to actually doing it is another thing
Anyway the cooling system would need to be redone as well.... as much as replacing the radiator too.... and i think in my opinion... the civic's radiator is a tad too close to the engine, or rather the exhaust manifold -
U referring to those SMSA racing Civics ar?Originally posted by zzt231:alot of people here really dun no abt anything, just type & type zzzz
vtec turbo is king!!!!!
got a few b16 with 400++ hp running around in spore loh.so light car + tc, a rex or evo with 500hp will get smoke till kana lung cancer! -
Aiya.... SO much troubles to convert to TC. why dun just drop a B22 in?????? Definitely power one. just like the EP3
-
don't forget to deal with the internals of the engine too, like the rods, and crank and pistons... and not to mention the fuel injection side of things which will be different, you will need bigger injectors if your current ones don't provide enough fuel... etc...Originally posted by Kuali Baba:It's not that simple. You need the intake and exhaust manifolds to be redesigned to be close enough (to fit the turbine and impellor) and to channel gases properly. Plus an extra pipelines from the oil gallery and to the sump to lubricate the turbocharger. In this weather you'll also need to fit an intercooler to make it more efficient. Don't forget to uprate the brakes.
also need to control all the timing etc... may need a piggy back ecu or a separate one altogether like a motech system etc... -
what if you like your current car, but want more power? or you want to do something unique?Originally posted by tomsss:i just think that.... if you want more power from your current NA car, got buy a turbo car instead