traction lost so easily?
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hope to get some feedback on if this is normal. am quite baffled.
was entering the expressway at 80-90 and was on the left-most lane. didn't notice that (apparently deep) puddles of water have formed up at the side due to the rain.
was really caught out when the front end suddenly swayed to the left. apparently the left wheels had gone deep into the puddle. does aquaplaning occur so easily?
yes perhaps the tyres being yokohama aspec db are more on the comfort > performance side, but am still quite shocked by the ease of the loss of grip. ride is a 2003 camry, which should be quite a heavy body. furthermore was ferrying 4 people.
i have also experienced on wet roads when the front driven wheels spin off traction from stop-go (esp when the wheels are turned at an angle). at most higher than average, far from the extent of flooring acceleration. -
when your wheels while travelling, hits a puddle of water... naturally the water resistance will slow you down. because of the sudden decrease in speed, the rest of the wheel will likely to break traction due to the sudden forward transition of weight... something like that lah.
Yeah i also experience while on wet road, wheelspining while taking off. Well you can't expect the best tyres to have total grip on the road, rain or shine. Just be more gentle with the throttle while driving on wet roads, ESPECIALLY while in the bends of flyovers. Today while travelling on AYE (was still raining), saw a lorry doing a 360 spin at the exit to CTE tunnel. Taxi managed to stop in time, the car behind it didn't.
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wah... then confirm lang ga liao.Originally posted by tomsss:when your wheels while travelling, hits a puddle of water... naturally the water resistance will slow you down. because of the sudden decrease in speed, the rest of the wheel will likely to break traction due to the sudden forward transition of weight... something like that lah.
Yeah i also experience while on wet road, wheelspining while taking off. Well you can't expect the best tyres to have total grip on the road, rain or shine. Just be more gentle with the throttle while driving on wet roads, ESPECIALLY while in the bends of flyovers. Today while travelling on AYE (was still raining), saw a lorry doing a 360 spin at the exit to CTE tunnel. Taxi managed to stop in time, the car behind it didn't. 
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ur tyres are probably the dry weather type... which means.. it has average grip in the wet... bcoz the tyre thread is like |||
there are more expensive tyres out there which are exceptionally good in the wet and dry... my personal experience with such tyres are the GoodYear F1 Eagle GSD3 (pls buy german made ones, not thai.. got HUGE difference).. the tyre threads are like /\/\ arrow head to cut and water drainage.. i bought $240/piece though..
tried them in water puddles at 120km/h.. aquaplanning is minimal.. but can still feel.. totally different from dry weather ones.. u will feel very safe..
too bad my regular tyre shop had no stock, using yokohama es 100.. good tyres too but aquaplanning is not as minimal as those i mentioned above.. -
don't have to drive fast. just don't hog the road.
ease up on the throttle lor. -
lol.. yeah.. drive fast dangerous.. hog also dangerous..
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why take risks? dont even start that engine! dont even open the car door! dont DRIVE!
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haha. don't like that lah. people want some proper feedback you tell him don't drive. then his camry park and collect dust lor. be a vase.Originally posted by Tayysj:why take risks? dont even start that engine! dont even open the car door! dont DRIVE! -
might as well say don't post hereOriginally posted by Tayysj:why take risks? dont even start that engine! dont even open the car door! dont DRIVE! -
risk? what do you mean by risk here?Originally posted by Tayysj:why take risks? dont even start that engine! dont even open the car door! dont DRIVE!
are we just a year apart in age?
are you with me?
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no la not mine of course. i'm not so rich at 20. and even if i have that money, i'll spend on another ride.Originally posted by yeehaw:haha. don't like that lah. people want some proper feedback you tell him don't drive. then his camry park and collect dust lor. be a vase. -
yea just that mine was a lateral skid, because the left wheel went in but not the right. wasn't really a very bad skid, but when there was a wall just at that side, things could've been trickier.Originally posted by tomsss:when your wheels while travelling, hits a puddle of water... naturally the water resistance will slow you down. because of the sudden decrease in speed, the rest of the wheel will likely to break traction due to the sudden forward transition of weight... something like that lah.
Yeah i also experience while on wet road, wheelspining while taking off. Well you can't expect the best tyres to have total grip on the road, rain or shine. Just be more gentle with the throttle while driving on wet roads, ESPECIALLY while in the bends of flyovers. Today while travelling on AYE (was still raining), saw a lorry doing a 360 spin at the exit to CTE tunnel. Taxi managed to stop in time, the car behind it didn't.
wow 360 deg? the driver must be damn heng or skilful to point the lorry to the same forward direction one full turn lol. -
yea i also read that the threading pattern is very important. it's an inverse relationship between refinement and performance. if i were to have my own car, i think i'll go for tyre models of 75% performance 25% refinement.Originally posted by zerocool85:ur tyres are probably the dry weather type... which means.. it has average grip in the wet... bcoz the tyre thread is like |||
there are more expensive tyres out there which are exceptionally good in the wet and dry... my personal experience with such tyres are the GoodYear F1 Eagle GSD3 (pls buy german made ones, not thai.. got HUGE difference).. the tyre threads are like /\/\ arrow head to cut and water drainage.. i bought $240/piece though..
tried them in water puddles at 120km/h.. aquaplanning is minimal.. but can still feel.. totally different from dry weather ones.. u will feel very safe..
too bad my regular tyre shop had no stock, using yokohama es 100.. good tyres too but aquaplanning is not as minimal as those i mentioned above..
think the aspec db is hugely on the refinement side. too bad my father is more refinement-oriented. which is why he got this car anyway. -
ok la proper feedback. i used to drive a particular mpv with 4 aspec dBs. thereafter, I changed them to 2 x yokohama c.drive and 2x yokohama aspec dBs.
either way, same reaction when one side contacts with a puddle of water. why? water is not like "air". when u hit water - its the same as hitting a wall. if a plane crashed into the sea for example, it would smash, break, explode, etc. - same as crashing into the ground. except that water = crash then sink.
therefore when ur wheels contact a large body of water on one side, that side will be pulled back like as though there's an invisible force on that side.
now i'm on 4 pilot sport tyres i think.. different car but same effect =) tyre threads that drain water away assume that it's an even layer of water on the surface of the road - not a sudden pile of water although the threads do mean different ways of impacting the water and might mean less force etc. =) the best way to counter this is to have a tire that "cuts" thru the water - like a ship's bow (the V shape at the front of the boat) but that's quite impossible. so the thicker your tyre, the harder the impact.
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So many replies and no one mentioned Aqua-Planning.
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cos irrelevant wad. aquaplane is wheel no contact with road cos of layer of water. his case is different.Originally posted by spec:So many replies and no one mentioned Aqua-Planning. -
want to have better traction.. get a 4 Wheel drive car... shld b good eunff..