why???
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while people ooh and ahh at the new civic type r engine and marvel at how it can reach stratospheric redlines... and orgas at its sexy shape... they miss out on something...
if not for saturday's LIFE introducing the type r kah motor is going to bring in... i wld nv have realised this...
and that is.. the civic type r uses a rear torsion beam suspension...
we remember the days when EGs and EKs uses double wishbone all-round... and subsequently... honda switch to a front macpherson and rear double wishbone setup... right up to the new civic FD they are still using this...
but why the type r uses this rear dependent suspension setup...
can any experts enlighten me...
is honda trying to short-change the oblivious??? -
This one have to ask Ford.
Ask them specifically about the mustang. -
This 3dr type r is engineered in europe, while the 4dr JDM is well... from japan lah.
Torsion beam suspensions are durable, saves more space than coil overs and easy adjustability of ride height... plus the replacement of torsion bars with different spring rate is in most cases, an easy task.
So maybe cos of its durability and high stiffness... provides better cornering ability? -
tt means to say corollas corner well???Originally posted by tomsss:This 3dr type r is engineered in europe, while the 4dr JDM is well... from japan lah.
Torsion beam suspensions are durable, saves more space than coil overs and easy adjustability of ride height... plus the replacement of torsion bars with different spring rate is in most cases, an easy task.
So maybe cos of its durability and high stiffness... provides better cornering ability?
but what i am damn confirm is toyotas use torsion beam on corollas is to cut cost...
so now.. the question is whether honda is tou gong jian liao..... -
no lah.. cos for torsion beams, is you either have it set for comfort or stiff... for performance car, ride quality is not an issue i read it somewhere on the net lah... but no doubt is cheaper than coilover system.
becos the previous type R was said to be sluggish and blah... so i guess the engineers were in need to explore new system suspension technology within budget... so maybe that's why loh. -
ooh........Originally posted by tomsss:no lah.. cos for torsion beams, is you either have it set for comfort or stiff... for performance car, ride quality is not an issue i read it somewhere on the net lah... but no doubt is cheaper than coilover system.
becos the previous type R was said to be sluggish and blah... so i guess the engineers were in need to explore new system suspension technology within budget... so maybe that's why loh.
liddat hor... throw in an old k20 into a new body... with a cheaper suspension... and then sell it as a new car????
now the price tag doesnt seem right to me liaoz... liddat i rather go for golf....
btw... the k20 is the one found in a dc5r hor... not the dc5s one right.... -
K20 also used in the Old CRV wad....Originally posted by n0x:ooh........
liddat hor... throw in an old k20 into a new body... with a cheaper suspension... and then sell it as a new car????
now the price tag doesnt seem right to me liaoz... liddat i rather go for golf....
btw... the k20 is the one found in a dc5r hor... not the dc5s one right....
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but this is a NEW civic what... i am not saying the k20 is a lousy engine... i am juz saying that they din like use a new engine like what they did for the 1.8 FD civic....Originally posted by AE86tofu:K20 also used in the Old CRV wad.... 
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It doesnt really matter where it is engineered.... it is still a japanese brain.
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Originally posted by tomsss:This 3dr type r is engineered in europe, while the 4dr JDM is well... from japan lah.
Torsion beam suspensions are durable, saves more space than coil overs and easy adjustability of ride height... plus the replacement of torsion bars with different spring rate is in most cases, an easy task.
So maybe cos of its durability and high stiffness... provides better cornering ability?
No la..i doubt so..torsion beam set-up is not a independent suspension set-up..the reason why independent suspension set-up like multi-link set-up is favoured over non-independent suspension set-up is because independent suspension can maintain more contact between the tyres and road..But of course, independent suspension system more expensive..Originally posted by tomsss:no lah.. cos for torsion beams, is you either have it set for comfort or stiff... for performance car, ride quality is not an issue i read it somewhere on the net lah... but no doubt is cheaper than coilover system.
becos the previous type R was said to be sluggish and blah... so i guess the engineers were in need to explore new system suspension technology within budget... so maybe that's why loh.
That's why the Golf GTi uses the multi-link set-up at the rear, when there's more contact between road and tyres, the car has more grip and is more stable..the torsion beam is a cheap suspension system and is not as good as a independent suspension system at maintaining contact between tyres and road..so less stable..
I think Honda use torsion beam on Type-R is partially to save costs..but to put it in a nice way, Honda claims that their torsion beam is sophisticated enough to feel like a independent suspension system.. -
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/10393_sp1.phpOriginally posted by n0x:while people ooh and ahh at the new civic type r engine and marvel at how it can reach stratospheric redlines... and orgas at its sexy shape... they miss out on something...
if not for saturday's LIFE introducing the type r kah motor is going to bring in... i wld nv have realised this...
and that is.. the civic type r uses a rear torsion beam suspension...
we remember the days when EGs and EKs uses double wishbone all-round... and subsequently... honda switch to a front macpherson and rear double wishbone setup... right up to the new civic FD they are still using this...
but why the type r uses this rear dependent suspension setup...
can any experts enlighten me...
is honda trying to short-change the oblivious??? -
the specs for suspension is wrong...Originally posted by Naughtius Maximus:
and pls read the disclaimer below... -
Does it matter, as long as the car rides and handles well in the end?
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JDM type R is better resolved than the UKDM type R...Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Does it matter, as long as the car rides and handles well in the end?
IMHO, the UKDM type R handles about as well as a normal civic with after market suspensions. haven't driven it yet so its all IMHO oni hor