Why are cars so expensive in singapore?
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Originally posted by n0x:
u can put this question to the hong kongers... but with regards to their housing... they pay much much more for their houses than we do....and then it will nv end..
each country has their own limitations
but at least when u pay tt much for a car here u know u are paying for exclusitivity... and u know tt not any tom dick and harry can own a car here...
from what I know,although the cars are cheaper in hk,their season parking is a lot more ex compared to sg,so it may juz make up the diff there
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Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:
Hong Kong don't have COE ... so car cheaper ... If the government is also MIW, you bet they gonna cost same or more than Singapore . .
The land constraint is just another excuse to fleece more from Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
The land constraint is just another excuse to fleece more from Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by Ageleon:
from what I know,although the cars are cheaper in hk,their season parking is a lot more ex compared to sg,so it may juz make up the diff there
i am talking with regards to housing in hk....this particular post of urs should be posted to maurizio13
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Have you considered how big is Hong Kong?
Their population density, their roads?
How come Hong Kong Honda Jazz only HK$ 139,880 (SG$ 27,556), whereas Singapore Honda Jazz is SG$ 57,000???
got this off the internet with regards to hong kong parking rates....
Average hourly parking rate: $25 per hour in the city, $12 per hour outside city.
Average monthly parking rate: $4000 per month in the city, $1800 per month outside city
so erm... govt fleecing pple???
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Originally posted by n0x:
got this off the internet with regards to hong kong parking rates....
Average hourly parking rate: $25 per hour in the city, $12 per hour outside city.
Average monthly parking rate: $4000 per month in the city, $1800 per month outside city
so erm... govt fleecing pple???
You figures extremely inflated.
You said you got your information off the internet. Please cite your source.
You work for the PAP propaganda media too?
Monthly charges starts from HK$ 1400 (SG$ 266) in the city.
http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk/en/commercial/parkingspaces/0,,,00.html
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cos of PaP
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Originally posted by n0x:
got this off the internet with regards to hong kong parking rates....
Average hourly parking rate: $25 per hour in the city, $12 per hour outside city.
Average monthly parking rate: $4000 per month in the city, $1800 per month outside city
so erm... govt fleecing pple???
I believe it's HKD$25/h which is equivalent to only SGD$5.
That would be SGD$790 and SGD$355 respectively
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Malaysia practises the 200% tax on all foreign cars. How much is their BMW 3 Series? RM 220,000. How much our BMW 3 Series? SGD 120,000 which is RM 280,000.
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If car is cheap, everybody can afford to own one and our roads would be so conjested like in some other Asian countries, not to mention the air pollution that will cause health problems.
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Originally posted by NerdzRulz:
I believe it's HKD$25/h which is equivalent to only SGD$5.
That would be SGD$790 and SGD$355 respectively
try parking in sydney CBD...
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Originally posted by NerdzRulz:
What's the point of cars being more expensive when all the specs are the same.
For Example:
A Honda Jazz would cost from £8,302($18,618) to £12,602($28,261) in England.
However, It'll cost between $53,800 to $65,300 at list price.
Where did the extra $35,000 go?
An Audi A3 1.8T FSI S tronic would cost £19,445($43,607) in England but would cost $116,200 here.
Again, where did the $50,000 go?
Even Proton, people would think due to the reduced shipping cost would be cheaper right? WRONG.
The Proton Gen-2 1.3(M) would cost £7,805($17,503) in England but would cost $37,000 in Singapore.
Hence, do you think cars are overpriced here?
No they are not asspensive. its just that you are poor.
Also its not that we are smart, its just that your are stupier
Also its not why i am here, its because you are always there
get it idiot?
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Originally posted by fifteen:
If car is cheap, everybody can afford to own one and our roads would be so conjested like in some other Asian countries, not to mention the air pollution that will cause health problems.
Use some brain la
. Cars cheap also doesn't mean everyone can own if there are correct policies in place. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:
You figures extremely inflated.
You said you got your information off the internet. Please cite your source.
You work for the PAP propaganda media too?
Monthly charges starts from HK$ 1400 (SG$ 266) in the city.
http://www.housingauthority.gov.hk/en/commercial/parkingspaces/0,,,00.html
if u know that ur figures are given in HK$... then u shld know to convert my figures to S$ to...
but tt's beside the point... the point is.. hong kong parking is indeed much more expnsive than singapore's
and no... i am not working for some pap propaganda media...
in fact.. it seems like u are working for some opposition propaganda media...
u guys from the speakers corner are like that... i know u guys for whatever reason(perhaps cant really make it in real life) are liddat.. so for whatever reason u all are particularly biased against the government...
but b4 u give a comment pls let it pass through ur brain first.. weigh both sides of the story before blurting out something so that u guys will not embarass urself...
dun say something on the spur of the moment so tt ur lam par will feel shiok pls....
or perhaps u all are really not capable of any form of critical thinking... tt's why u all cant make it outside.. i dunno lah...
and one thing.. this is car forum.. dun let ur anti governement sentimentalist ideals spill over here.. keep it at speakers corner pls..
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Originally posted by kcockicht:
No they are not asspensive. its just that you are poor.
Also its not that we are smart, its just that your are stupier
Also its not why i am here, its because you are always there
get it idiot?
Oh, I'm sorry if I have offended you but there are some things about you that bug me.
For Example, you are critizicing my intelligence yet you failed to spell words kindergarden students know. Words such as "expensive" or maybe "Stupider".
Ergo, you're about as smart as a kindergarden student.
By the way, you may be rich but with that kind of smugness, you would probably be poor some day. Ever heard of retribution?
Get it imbecile?
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How come those who complain about high car prices only see $$?
If you want to compare, compare the other related aspects too.
Road conditions, how much more well-maintained are the roads in Spore as compared to other countries.
A lot less congested.
Much better road safety with stricter law enforcements
All these required resources and restrictions.
Much Much better environment and air conditions
I'm not saying what the Singapore government implements is right. Its all about give and take. You cannot have everything. If you want better living environments, then the high tax on cars is needed. If you want cheap cars, either work harder so that car prices will look cheaper to you relatively, or live with it.
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ARF takes up a large portion of the price of a car in Singapore.
Even if that were scrapped, the increased demand for COE that would follow would drive it up a lot.
I'm all the implementation of COE to control the vehicle population, unless you can think of something else that achieves the same result.
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Originally posted by n0x:
if u know that ur figures are given in HK$... then u shld know to convert my figures to S$ to...
but tt's beside the point... the point is.. hong kong parking is indeed much more expnsive than singapore's
and no... i am not working for some pap propaganda media...
in fact.. it seems like u are working for some opposition propaganda media...
u guys from the speakers corner are like that... i know u guys for whatever reason(perhaps cant really make it in real life) are liddat.. so for whatever reason u all are particularly biased against the government...
but b4 u give a comment pls let it pass through ur brain first.. weigh both sides of the story before blurting out something so that u guys will not embarass urself...
dun say something on the spur of the moment so tt ur lam par will feel shiok pls....
or perhaps u all are really not capable of any form of critical thinking... tt's why u all cant make it outside.. i dunno lah...
and one thing.. this is car forum.. dun let ur anti governement sentimentalist ideals spill over here.. keep it at speakers corner pls..
If only you had the intelligence to click on the link I provided, you will have noticed that parking rates in the city ranges from HK$8 (SG$ 1.52) to HK$12 (SG$ 2.28) an hour.
You said you took your prices from the internet? I asked you to cite your source. Have you done so?
Your inflated prices published by PAP propaganda press?
Cite your source then!!!
Since you are such a laggard, I shall help you by posting the parking prices in Hong Kong.
Attached is a parking price list and is denominated in HK Dollars:
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
ARF takes up a large portion of the price of a car in Singapore.
Even if that were scrapped, the increased demand for COE that would follow would drive it up a lot.
I'm all the implementation of COE to control the vehicle population, unless you can think of something else that achieves the same result.
That's like saying that if the price of Rolex drops by 50% everybody will go out and buy themselves a Rolex.
Hong Kong has a larger population and land scarcer than Singapore, because most of it's terrain are graduated. Hong Kong doesn't have a COE system, yet it's traffic are comparable. Perhaps the MIW should learn from Hong Kong on how to provide a cheaper healthcare system, no GST and road traffic management without COE.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
That's like saying that if the price of Rolex drops by 50% everybody will go out and buy themselves a Rolex.
Hong Kong has a larger population and land scarcer than Singapore, because most of it's terrain are graduated. Hong Kong doesn't have a COE system, yet it's traffic are comparable. Perhaps the MIW should learn from Hong Kong on how to provide a cheaper healthcare system, no GST and road traffic management without COE.
Obviously, only those who can afford will bid for one. Isn't it logical that the number of people who can will increase when the barrier drops? And then as they try to outbid one another the lowest successful COE bids will rise?
The gabrament left it until too late to even start thinking about reducing the growth rate of the vehicle population here IMO. Also, the MTR also provides better connectivity and accessibility around HK. There really isn't much need for a car in a small place unless public transport is as convenient as it is there.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
Obviously, only those who can afford will bid for one. Isn't it logical that the number of people who can will increase when the barrier drops? And then as they try to outbid one another the lowest successful COE bids will rise?
The gabrament left it until too late to even start thinking about reducing the growth rate of the vehicle population here IMO. Also, the MTR also provides better connectivity and accessibility around HK. There really isn't much need for a car in a small place unless public transport is as convenient as it is there.
The logic that if price of something is too cheap, everybody will go out to get one does not really hold, else Hong Kong will be filled with more cars and the roads will be congested everywhere. The big question is.
Why are cars cheaper in Hong Kong without the need for a COE and ARF (traffic congestion relatively similar) compared to Singapore?
Just because something is cheap doesn't necessarily mean everybody will buy, only those who have specific needs for that particular item.
Compare a system in the 70s & 80s, we didn't have a COE system then, cars were cheaper then, but traffic was far less congested then, we also didn't have as many roads then.
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A heated debate's certainly going on.... Chill everybody....
Dun worry... each of you have your own good points here and there....
So keep your cool!
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A car may be a despreciative object but it also brings prestige to the owner. Would a big firm hire someone to a top position if that someone takes mrt and bus everyday? A car also saves the owner precious time. Time is also equal money.
However, i discourage the buying of luxury or sports cars if you cant lead a comfortable lifestyle because of the car.
Come on la...Cars, condo, Credit cards, chicks, cash are all the things decent men dream to have la.
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If you feel buying HK cars are cheap...then...
Either you migrate there then buy their cars ......
OR.... import their cars to Singapore....
Calculate which one is cheaper for you...
For your info... if you think of parallel imports to save save save....forget the idea...because after careful calculations, it makes no difference from buying a car from local authorised agents....
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
The logic that if price of something is too cheap, everybody will go out to get one does not really hold, else Hong Kong will be filled with more cars and the roads will be congested everywhere. The big question is.
Why are cars cheaper in Hong Kong without the need for a COE and ARF (traffic congestion relatively similar) compared to Singapore?
Just because something is cheap doesn't necessarily mean everybody will buy, only those who have specific needs for that particular item.
Compare a system in the 70s & 80s, we didn't have a COE system then, cars were cheaper then, but traffic was far less congested then, we also didn't have as many roads then.
Saying that people won't buy cars unless there's a need is one thing, but can the need satisfied by something else? I've already mentioned public transport in HK. Why would you need additional monetary disincentives when that's good enough? As long as folks here feel that public transport is inadequate, they'll get a car.
Back in the pre-COE days, were there as many people who could afford cars as there are today?
By the way, Hong Kong SAR has more people AND land than Singapore, while Hong Kong Island has fewer people and less land (but a comparable population density to Singapore).