Please scrap COE system.
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Hello, just my post from a similar thread at straits time viewable here.
Sorry for the 1st part but the message is cut - pasted wholesale, so U can see context, should be okay rite, comments welcomed.
Quote:Originally Posted by NYJC4 (typo corrected version) 
Taxis are public transport and should not be subject to the same limitations as private cars. If we want to have fewer cars on the road we should make public transport cheaper, and taxis are an important part of the public transport equation.
Ha ha, your argument so slippery wan. "we should make public transport cheaper" you really mean "we should make ***taxis*** cheaper" rite. Yes taxis are 'public' in that anyone can flag one down, but they are the most 'private' form of public tpst!One more category for taxis!!! So many restricted categories, will cause prices to fluctuate wildly, easier to speculate/ rig mkt. Anyway, taxis in Singapore looks like cars- so same same what.Quote:Raising taxi fares might push marginal car-buyers to drive rather than carry on with public transport, or delay scrapping their cars given that it is not cost-efficient to switch to taxis.
Perhaps a separet category could be established for taxis, about 250 COEs a month set aside for taxis. This number can come from the common pool or be on top of the quota, or split between the two.
Can explain in what way they are more efficient? Tell me that hybrid/ CNG taxis 'better' I can accept, but after having to breathe in diesel fumes of taxis both waiting and moving; energy efficient based on diesel specs maybe (it seems, dunno why) but pollutive DEFINITELY YES. I think that the best judge of efficiency is the passengers carried- to that I understand that trains (electric/ modern) beat everything else hands down.Quote:Taxis are a much more efficient use of a vehicle than private cars and it is not fair or efficient to class them in the same category as private cars, at least as far as COEs are concerned.
That said, I think the only way forward is for the gov to promote cycling. Some skills, courtesy and coordination needed of course (otherwise like now- everyone not happy). Good for exercise, good for environment, good for pocket.
N govt if dares (after elections of course), as 'Straits Times (8 December 2009) - Do what's right, not what's popular: DPM', Mr Wong Kan Seng saying: "LEADERS must have the conviction to do what is right and not what is popular, even if it costs them political points"
Our well paid ministers should have the guts to RAISE ROAD TAXES ...
Actually my idea now is dis, the whole COE exercise is a sham one, quite unnecessary actually, just a good way to allow govt to receive 'instant windfall' but the problems now show how it significantly backfired with wild swings in COE prices- many people cry foul, many people get hurt. It's function all along MUST have been only a stop gap measure at most. Gharmen can collect income tax from workers rite, n Singaporeans don't need to buy work permit just to work... so why for cars? Becos govt dunno how to tweak road tax system? Because govt want instant COE windfall $? I dunno what to say.
What I know is dat traffic regulation is like ecosystem: many factors: more ppl cycle/ take bus/train= less cars, higher ERP, COE, road tax, petrol surcharge, parking charge etc has effect of the same. So I think tt road tax and COE has actually THE SAME FUNCTION- just govt wan find more ways to get quick money by inventing one more 'tax'. Remember the time OMV $ no cash refund?
In 2005, Singapore was the WORLD's 2nd HIGHEST car exporter - n this was becos of people scrapping cars like rain to retrieve residual COE values- I cannot imagine the waste of $ from that exercise. N dun bull me tt COE is necessary to make sure cars are <10yrs old/ that rate of growth of car population must be 1.5%/ year - all that can be controlled via existing 'devices', road tax regimes for the first, ERP, petrol taxes etc the second.
Have road tax can drive, no have road tax den cannot, whats so difficult? Money root of all evil in LTA policies.
So now I propose just REFUND EVERYONE THEIR pro-rata COE $$$ NOW. Then buy car NO NEED COE at all liao, but road tax (normal car and weekend car), parking, ERP, Fuel tax= all adjust accordingly. [dun forget the road building/ maintenance, policing, pub transport tax-exemptions, building of cycle tracks/ connectors etc that must go on concordantly]
U know why I write this, becos I think tt the world is waiting and watching out for stupid Singapore to again become worlds 2nd largest exporter of cars. The result of LTA 'band-aid policy'- stop gap measures all the way.
LTA cannot every day think wan to earn quick $$$, easy band aid solutions, must do work also mah, so COE concept has failed, so many people get hurt, buy car like go casino now same. I dun think PAP will let up on my idea cos the way they rule country now, their worth and credibility like casino betting like dat, no more then 50-50. Anyways, LTA CEO now new one, so still got chance, still got hope.
Anyways NYJC4, if its any consolation to you, you favorite limo taxi like cc>3000 one, pay COE only need buy small<1600cc one, so by latest rates, U get $11,500 'discount' liao, so gharmen 'good to you', otherwise just be like me, no car, got bicycle, happy liao.
What I want to know really is if SBS bus pay road taxes/ COE becos that is what I really consider 'public transport'.
After all, PM Lee says that: [ST: 03May2006] PM Lee says countries worldwide respect and admire Singapore's proven system
Thanks for your time, hope i haven't made too many enemies. Will wave when I see you.
G'day.
Reference:
- Certificate of Entitlement [wiki]
- COE Open Bidding (LTA- latest rates)
- 'Straits Times (8 December 2009) - Do what's right, not what's popular: DPM'
- [CNA23Oct2005] 100,000 used Singapore cars expected to be exported this year
- [ST: 03May2006] PM Lee says countries worldwide respect and admire Singapore's proven system -
If gahmen scrap COE system, they will only implent another system,or set up ERP
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Maybe COE prevents too many cars from travellin on the roads.
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hello bic_cherry,
I hope u not considering a Petition or Hong lim thingie.
we are singaporeans, we are not used to petition and hong lim thingies wan.
we are not like 1st worlds like USA , europe or australia.
we are singaporeans, u know? we very unique wan.
we are pretty much non western style democracy.
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ERP charges are expensive too. Car park parking too. There's still COE.
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PAP's way of limitation is by Pain... Pain of paying more n more Money for usage.
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Firstly, the car population growth need to be restricted.
If you want to take away the COE, you must replace it with some thing else to restrict vehicle population growth.
Remember, with COE there are people who can buy four cars.
And people with one car means they can buy at least two without COE.
Without COE, I, you and many others can buy one car for self and another for the missus.
So, replace COE with what?
Frankly, any system will also be just as lousy.
You want LTA sell cars like HDB sell flats, ah? Singapore citizens only can buy new cars, and must own for five years before selling, cannot apply second time. Priority to first timers. Waiting time 2-3 years. Successful applicants must choose model presented, reject go to back of queue.
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without the COE, you will end up jaming for hours, and that include buses and taxi. Do you want that to happen?? Govt dun mind releasing the COEs, the more the better, they earn more...but today they restricted it, cos it can become a problem worst then BKK or KL
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Without COE, you will be asking why there are so many cars on the road, and then blame LTA even more for not building enough roads or for poor public transport system.
It's a never ending process. Infrastructure construction can only go so fast...
The person who came up with COE is a genius.
Btw, I don't own a car, nor do I plan to own one in the near future, although I can afford one. -
Originally posted by eagle:
Without COE, you will be asking why there are so many cars on the road, and then blame LTA even more for not building enough roads or for poor public transport system.
It's a never ending process. Infrastructure construction can only go so fast...
The person who came up with COE is a genius.
Btw, I don't own a car, nor do I plan to own one in the near future, although I can afford one.i think few ppl can resist buying car when they can afford it . cos the public system just suck big time.
unless u dun travel in sg? possible?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
without the COE, you will end up jaming for hours, and that include buses and taxi. Do you want that to happen?? Govt dun mind releasing the COEs, the more the better, they earn more...but today they restricted it, cos it can become a problem worst then BKK or KL
should scrap the EPR and tighten the COE.
and are we so sure the road can allow 1.5 car pop growth annually? -
Originally posted by mh2:
i think few ppl can resist buying car when they can afford it . cos the public system just suck big time.
unless u dun travel in sg? possible?
that's what you think?
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Why the focus on cars only.
Why was the bicycle alternative abandoned?
What about the motorcycle?
Most cars have only one occupant, the driver. Ride a motorcycle.
The policy makers don't ride bicyles or motorcycles.
Why, they don't even take public transport!
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remove COE lor
then i see all the morons get stuck in jams
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Originally posted by mancha:
Why the focus on cars only.
Why was the bicycle alternative abandoned?
What about the motorcycle?
Most cars have only one occupant, the driver. Ride a motorcycle.
The policy makers don't ride bicyles or motorcycles.
Why, they don't even take public transport!
Why? Becoz, some people feel motorcycles are simply too dangerous and seeing them weaving in and out in between the cars during a traffic stop / jam, and considering that there is no shelter in a bike, that congest people in the viaducts during rainy days, what makes you think that bicycles / motorcycles are so good.
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This is what i think, after reading so many replies:
1. COE system to keep.
2. For sales person (or people who need to use the car for work, travelling 70% of the time to meet clients), guaranteed COE and COE < $5,000 (highly dubsidised road tax).
3. For non-sales person, COE > $30,000 for first car. Subsequent car within the family will be paying COE of > $40,000 and third car will be > $50,000 so on.
4. Raise ERP to Orchard / Shenton Way / Chinatown to be $10.00 per entry (sales person got discount).
5. Raise road tax by 50%.
6. Do the Pay-per-use scheme by distance (LTA already considering).
7. For OPC car owners, get $800 annual road tax discount (instead of $500 under new scheme).
8. ERP gantries on any common busy roads out of town, such as PIE (Tuas), Tuas road (outside fire station), Mandai Road (towards BKE in the morning).
9. Higher interest rate for hire purchase (5% - 6 %)
10. Compulsory downpayment of at least 10k to buy any new car.
I personally prefer option 7, 8 , 9 and 10.
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ya, everyone will declare themselves a salesman
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
ya, everyone will declare themselves a salesman
Ya, next time buy car you must show your employment letter (stating your job description, and blah blah blah). The SE will call and check with the company.
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Mondays, wednesdays, fridays, licence plates that are even numbers.
Tuesdays, thursdays, licence plates that are odd and up to 3999.
Saturdays, sundays, licence plates that are even, and odd numbers 4001 to 9999.
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What to do? Blame on the size of our tiny island.
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Originally posted by ditzy:
Mondays, wednesdays, fridays, licence plates that are even numbers.
Tuesdays, thursdays, licence plates that are odd and up to 3999.
Saturdays, sundays, licence plates that are even, and odd numbers 4001 to 9999.
Follow China's system huh? LOL....
One person must buy 2 cars there during Beijing Olympics. LOL...
Cos odd number for Mon, Wed, Fri...
even number for Tues, Thu, Sat....
Sun free for all... lol... -
Let's fly!
/me sings I believe i can fly
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Got COE, you KPKB about the high prices.....
Got no COE, you KPKB about all the traffic jams......
There's really no pleasing some people.
Seriously, I don't mind keeping the COE sky-high. All I really want is a really good public transport infrastructure as an alternative.
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Actually I for one am supporting high COE prices. I wonder if TS actually drives a vehicle. Driving on Singapore roads isnt fun anymore. Jams are getting far too frequent and seriously how often do people take longer routes that require more time and fuel just to avoid an ERP gantry?
Singapore has an excellent public transport system. I say keep COE prices high, send them even higher if needed. Owning a car shouldn't be the expected norm in a small island nation, like how owning landed property isnt the expected norm.
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finance miniter should provide interst free loan to let people buy coe- add value to our perfect money making coe system, make a money making deal even sweeter- now we buy a car coe also take loan easily adds anotherv 20%to the price
.add value= addvalue=