Vios, City or Jazz(fit)??????
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I just new to this car thing..... thinking of getting a new car, mainly for transport purpose.... live very far from workplace..... Another think is that ..... All three can put about 10% down... heard Bmotors has promotions for vios at 1.9% interest, the rest(city and Fit/Jazz) at 2.3%. Which is the most value for money.
Can anyone out there tell which is the most value for money in terms of FC, and resale value and ride comfort.. -
for me, i choose the city.
if u look beyond the odd design and price, u will see ample leg space, CVT, VTEC !! big boot space, good FC (Jazz is even better), mod-able and ultra seats arrangement.
driving wise, it is fun to drive with steromatic on the steering wheel like F1.
u can check it out in www.shc-forum.com
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hello Sin-O bro, you are here too huh...
OF COS CITY is the best lah! hahaha...
I am driving one now and I tell you...despite the VTEC engine I am still getting ard 15km/l which is very good for me...my previous car gives me 10km/l.
If you are talking abt cost of car, of cos VIOS is way much cheaper. but I personally drove my fren's and went to test drive and i dare say that the cabin space and the handling sux big time (no offence to VIOS drivers) hehehe....
Also I think lah ok i think lah based on my on the road experience, City Vtec can kill VIOS VVTI anytime....
SORRY AH!! Dun kill me!!! -
Why buy City ? For the VTEC ? how often u need it?? Pay 8K more for it??
Vios is whole lot Chioer than a weird looking City......? Get it and you get admiring stares not a 'shake head' stare........
Good Pickup, SPORTY looks, can mod alot... GOod FC , smart VVTI engine, cheaper yet same engine specs(hp and torque) as City.
Visit and join the happening Vios SG Club... very frenly ppl inside ready to answer your Vios vs City question....
You wouldn't regret it.....
http://www.vogs.net
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does the vios come wif a bodykit? like very low leh..
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Yes it does come with bodykit(front,rear and side).... Just went to see fit(jazz) at a showroom... price tag S$72400... FC 24/perlitre(wonder if its really accurate...
Anyway... has a family of four (including parents who are plump(ard 70+kg). Wonder which is more comfortable for rear seat passengers??? Looked ard all three looks almost the same. Any expert views... thinking of getting one of the booked by next week... -
if u think u got rear seated passengers often and they may be quite big size...sitting in a VIOS will kill them...really...too small lah...Originally posted by Blacknite01:Yes it does come with bodykit(front,rear and side).... Just went to see fit(jazz) at a showroom... price tag S$72400... FC 24/perlitre(wonder if its really accurate...
Anyway... has a family of four (including parents who are plump(ard 70+kg). Wonder which is more comfortable for rear seat passengers??? Looked ard all three looks almost the same. Any expert views... thinking of getting one of the booked by next week... -
eh come to www.SHC-FORUM.com lah and we will tell u why CITY is better than VIOS also...hahahahaOriginally posted by Shearer_27:Why buy City ? For the VTEC ? how often u need it?? Pay 8K more for it??
Vios is whole lot Chioer than a weird looking City......? Get it and you get admiring stares not a 'shake head' stare........
Good Pickup, SPORTY looks, can mod alot... GOod FC , smart VVTI engine, cheaper yet same engine specs(hp and torque) as City.
Visit and join the happening Vios SG Club... very frenly ppl inside ready to answer your Vios vs City question....
You wouldn't regret it.....
http://www.vogs.net
anyway no offences, as far as cars this kind of thingy, its really whatever rocks u...the best way is to go test drive it urself, ask many questions. If you are comfortable with it, who cares is it VIOS, CITY or whatever u have... -
He already say its look the same...Originally posted by gasband:if u think u got rear seated passengers often and they may be quite big size...sitting in a VIOS will kill them...really...too small lah...
Width(mm) for Honda City : 1690.
Width(mm) for Toyota Vios: 1695.
Underpower for City iDSL model : 88hp.
Vios hp: 109hp
well, a Honda City for a much bigger cost has :
(from a fellow person who wanna order a new Honda City) :
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i just bought a new honda City for $69k. the sale executive offered me:
1. guaranteed 3bids COE instead of 4 non-guaranteed bids COE
2. Free leather seats
3. Reverse sensor
4. Alarm
And nothing else. no ABS, no SRS airbags, no spoilers, no fog lights, no sports rims. nothing.
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Vios has ABS, 2 passenger SRS Airbags(safety!!), Free bodykit, muffler cutter, Freebies(u can get free fog lamp/chrome steering wheel/cash rebates if u ask) for 62-65K.
and the leather seats, reverse sensor and alarm is standard... no need to let SE offer............
and the original car looks a whole lot better than....
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hi gasband ! advocating City again huh ??
ok, correction, City Vtec has the same features of Vios, airbags etc...
It also has 110 bhp, same as Vios too, but slightly better cos of Vtec. Check it out at Honda main website.
If u can tolerate the centre dashboard of the Vios, then u should be fine.
True, Vtec is only activated when RPM is hit at certain level, Vios VVT is always on, so u can judge the performance from there. Without Vtec, City is quite fast liao.
As for rear passengers, if u are not getting City, I strongly urge u to avoid Vios as well. When I sat in the rear section of the Vios, I have to sit in a 'SBS seat' manner. Very crampy and my head bumped onto the roof.
City is really spacious inside.
In the end, it's your own decision, go and test drive, sit in it, 'rip' the car inside out at the showroom.
Do check out the S'pore City website at www.shc-forum.com -
City under powered? No way lah. Dont be fool by the 88bhp output. It is powered by iDSI and CVT. You get the max power at 2700 rpm whilst Vios comes in max at 3500 rpm.
Now let's look at the spec and high tech stuff of City:
iDSI engine - intelligent dual sequenstial ignition (twin spark for better combustion and power, aka Alfa twin spark engine)
CVT- Continous Variable Transmission (expensive stuff here, it means no jer or shudder when the auto box is shifting up or down)
Steermatic - FI racing at your finger tips! (Manual override)
Ultra Seat - 3 mode (tall, long, flat for that trip to Ikea)
FC- 21km/litre(highway, constant 90km/hr)
Electric Power Steering - powered by electrical means, so no power lose from engine unlike conventional power steering)
Dual Airbags, ABS with EBD(eletronic brake distribution)
Modification - Mugen, Modulo, Airmaster bodykit avaliable cheap cheap across JB.
Interior Space - Ample legroom, roof space for rear passenger
Rear Boot - 500 litres, best in its class
Central fuel tank layout- for better weight distribution and safety
This car is the first made in Thailand model for the Japan market and its hot selling in Japan now. Do you think those Japanese engineers and QA in Thailand want to get fired by selling a substandard low perfomance, bad quality new model in their own domestic market? This is a important project for them to show their big bosses in Honda Japan.
Also importantly, check out carefully the financing term at KM and BM. Watch out for the terms and conditions attached. That's why I chose KM. -
Hi,Originally posted by Blacknite01:
I just new to this car thing..... thinking of getting a new car, mainly for transport purpose.... live very far from workplace..... Another think is that ..... All three can put about 10% down... heard Bmotors has promotions for vios at 1.9% interest, the rest(city and Fit/Jazz) at 2.3%. Which is the most value for money.
Can anyone out there tell which is the most value for money in terms of FC, and resale value and ride comfort..
In terms of FC, Jazz/Fit is the best. It is also highly Mod-able.
You might wish to check out the FJC forum http://forum.sg-fit-jazz.com/ for more information. Be warned though.....we are extremely posionous....kekekekekek -
wah i salute u....u just make buying CITY worth itOriginally posted by david3305:City under powered? No way lah. Dont be fool by the 88bhp output. It is powered by iDSI and CVT. You get the max power at 2700 rpm whilst Vios comes in max at 3500 rpm.
Now let's look at the spec and high tech stuff of City:
iDSI engine - intelligent dual sequenstial ignition (twin spark for better combustion and power, aka Alfa twin spark engine)
CVT- Continous Variable Transmission (expensive stuff here, it means no jer or shudder when the auto box is shifting up or down)
Steermatic - FI racing at your finger tips! (Manual override)
Ultra Seat - 3 mode (tall, long, flat for that trip to Ikea)
FC- 21km/litre(highway, constant 90km/hr)
Electric Power Steering - powered by electrical means, so no power lose from engine unlike conventional power steering)
Dual Airbags, ABS with EBD(eletronic brake distribution)
Modification - Mugen, Modulo, Airmaster bodykit avaliable cheap cheap across JB.
Interior Space - Ample legroom, roof space for rear passenger
Rear Boot - 500 litres, best in its class
Central fuel tank layout- for better weight distribution and safety
This car is the first made in Thailand model for the Japan market and its hot selling in Japan now. Do you think those Japanese engineers and QA in Thailand want to get fired by selling a substandard low perfomance, bad quality new model in their own domestic market? This is a important project for them to show their big bosses in Honda Japan.
Also importantly, check out carefully the financing term at KM and BM. Watch out for the terms and conditions attached. That's why I chose KM. -
Dont always get fooled. This is CITY not CIVC SIRs kind of VTEC.
Pickup VIOS wins CITYat less than 9 secs, TOP Speed also wins at close to 200km/h.
I think on the bonnets you saw more KM logo than Honda.!!!!
That Fuel Consumption is for testing purpose. On normal road driving Vios can get 17 to 18km/l where else City cant get 22 or 23 km/h as CLAIM driving on normal road.
When talking about Civic, those honda ppl will say i be able to pull till 8k rpm so my car is powerful on contrast... for City thos ppl will say my full pwer kicks in at less than 3k rpm. Dont u think this is contradict!!!!!! -
Little Tiger...City Vtec does not work in the same way as City iDSI in terms of max torque. Vtec will kick in at 5500 rpm whilst for iDSI, its full torque will come in at 2700 rpm. This means iDSI has better lower end torque power which is good for city driving. Vtec is for that extra boost. Guess you have to read up about what is toruqe and what is vtec to understand what I am talking about.
Vios can beat City by 9 seconds? You got to be kidding. A stock iDSI City can beat Vios anytime and not even mentioning a City vtec. Mine you, we are talking about stock, no modification yet. Some bro in the Honda City Club has modification and we are already talking about thrashing higher end car. Vios is not mentioned as it is not worth mentioning. I have tried it so many times on the road; at traffic light, NS highway. Never been beaten before.
Ask anyone in the car trade or mod shop and they will tell you Honda cars are famous for high tech engineering and performance. Toyota? Yup, family saloon, conservative, dull, will get you from point A to B safetly, performace average, FC is getting worst in new models.
Go down Kallang McDonald car park every Saturday afternoon and go gawk at the mod City, Civic, Integra there. -
wow, actually you are kind of right there. If one wants better handling of car and FC, choose Honda cars anytime.. However, based on the two cars VIOS and CITY, i think that the VIOS has a better packaging, as what being written earlier, both cars also from Thailand..Originally posted by david3305:Little Tiger...City Vtec does not work in the same way as City iDSI in terms of max torque. Vtec will kick in at 5500 rpm whilst for iDSI, its full torque will come in at 2700 rpm. This means iDSI has better lower end torque power which is good for city driving. Vtec is for that extra boost. Guess you have to read up about what is toruqe and what is vtec to understand what I am talking about.
Vios can beat City by 9 seconds? You got to be kidding. A stock iDSI City can beat Vios anytime and not even mentioning a City vtec. Mine you, we are talking about stock, no modification yet. Some bro in the Honda City Club has modification and we are already talking about thrashing higher end car. Vios is not mentioned as it is not worth mentioning. I have tried it so many times on the road; at traffic light, NS highway. Never been beaten before.
Ask anyone in the car trade or mod shop and they will tell you Honda cars are famous for high tech engineering and performance. Toyota? Yup, family saloon, conservative, dull, will get you from point A to B safetly, performace average, FC is getting worst in new models.
Go down Kallang McDonald car park every Saturday afternoon and go gawk at the mod City, Civic, Integra there.
here's the gist, if you want space and performance go for city..
if you want looks and packaging, sacrifice the space, go for VIOS,
P.S City looks like a suprised toad. what you all think?? -
Originally posted by mobitalk:
mobitalk,
wow, actually you are kind of right there. If one wants better handling of car and FC, choose Honda cars anytime.. However, based on the two cars VIOS and CITY, i think that the VIOS has a better packaging, as what being written earlier, both cars also from Thailand..
here's the gist, if you want [b]space and performance go for city..
if you want looks and packaging, sacrifice the space, go for VIOS,
P.S City looks like a suprised toad. what you all think??
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toad is an understatement.
fiery curry fish head is the correct word.
anyway, when i'm in the City, toad or whatever doesn't concern much.
it's the driving that counts. -
You are like a turtle in a well... You drive City surely u say its good. Ah beng...Originally posted by david3305:Little Tiger...City Vtec does not work in the same way as City iDSI in terms of max torque. Vtec will kick in at 5500 rpm whilst for iDSI, its full torque will come in at 2700 rpm. This means iDSI has better lower end torque power which is good for city driving. Vtec is for that extra boost. Guess you have to read up about what is toruqe and what is vtec to understand what I am talking about.
Vios can beat City by 9 seconds? You got to be kidding. A stock iDSI City can beat Vios anytime and not even mentioning a City vtec. Mine you, we are talking about stock, no modification yet. Some bro in the Honda City Club has modification and we are already talking about thrashing higher end car. Vios is not mentioned as it is not worth mentioning. I have tried it so many times on the road; at traffic light, NS highway. Never been beaten before.
Ask anyone in the car trade or mod shop and they will tell you Honda cars are famous for high tech engineering and performance. Toyota? Yup, family saloon, conservative, dull, will get you from point A to B safetly, performace average, FC is getting worst in new models.
Go down Kallang McDonald car park every Saturday afternoon and go gawk at the mod City, Civic, Integra there.
Do u read properly.... Vios pickup is less than 9 seconds... what about CITY? pls give me your stat and figure? If Vios can beat City more than 9 sec then it mean VIOS can 0 ~100km/h in 2 secs meh faster than Mclaren F1? use ur brain to think and understand properly.
I did mention about top speed of VIOS close to 200km/h TESTED what about CITY??? skip the topics?
About thrashin higherend car. Vios pickup and top speed can beat BMW 318, CITY and Civic (as u mention we are talking about stock so not those SIR which are of different class and cc), other 1.5 or 1.6 cc, Accord, CRV, HRV.
I did mention the Fuel Consumption was tested on spore road, what about CITY? dont dare to mention only say according to the manual... haha...
ya..... few yrs back Honda hybrid broke the records from Spore to Thai at average close to 30km/l. But how to they drive? at the average of 40km/h hogging the NS highway and with aircon off and window down.... that was mention in newspaper and magazines, does that count?
Those you wins one are bcos they are not even choing with you, you are the only one "self thinking".... if i able to cut or over take a ferrari then i say war my car outrun ferrari ah... "siao" outrun auntie, little girl and old folks also consider outrun? hahaha.... i am laughing.
Toyota, Nissan and mitsubishi, mazda, subaru got lots of powerful engine. Just that you dont know, VR4, Supra, 3S-GE, GTO, Skyline, Silvia...RX7, WRX..etc. Honda engine blew the most in compare to other Jap manufacturer.
Those ppl want to earn ur $$$ then "jio" you to stick those useless things on your car.... you are "rabbit" and they are fat arse. You drive City they already drive Accord or S2000 liao.
Honda drivers like "you" mostly only know how to bullies those smaller cc cars or they put in big engine and lies all the way.
Go NS highway and those rulez there are not Honda, Its those wira and satria rulez....
Even those Evos and WRx are not as arrogant as you.
Kallang mcdonalds?? small bird.... "beng" thinking... who wanna go down there to see those cars.... its ugly.
I go down elsewhere to see levin, treno, celica, silvia, mrs, supra gto, skyline or Conti cars like Ferrari, lamboghini, BMW, Merc, Audi, Mclaren..... better still.
Talk about mod and trash.... go down pasir gudang and you see WIRA and Kancil trashing Civic like sh*t....... Lots of ppl knows...
FYI... i am not a VIOS owner.... we own car and we love cars but we not brag like you n yours owned car..... Bcos of ppl like you, spoilt the image of Honda.. City, Civic and Integra.
I do like Hondas like the Accord Euro, NSX and S2000 more artistics and beauty. -
I dun see why u guys are fighting over whether the vios or city can outrun which when both cars are never constructed for the purpose of outrunning any car.... But the fact is, based on stock cars, a Vios do really have a better pick-up than a i-Dsi City in a 0-100km/h sprint (Vios' darn light body contributes to that)... As for the Vtec City and Vios, I have no comments cos I dun really know (since both have about the same hp, City might have the edge with the vtec?).... btw I drive neither a vios nor a city... kudos guys
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Juz a question that I always wanna ask (maybe u City drivers can give me an answer) A City has got such a big boot space but such low hp (88 for a i-dsi City), how is the car going to sustain the extreme weight when it is totally full? An Impreza with 90+ hp is already underpowered and has pretty poor pick-up (unless u step hard on the gas)
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and i think you should STOP promoting SHC forum in here or else ... Don't blame me palOriginally posted by gasband:eh come to www.SHC-FORUM.com lah and we will tell u why CITY is better than VIOS also...hahahaha
anyway no offences, as far as cars this kind of thingy, its really whatever rocks u...the best way is to go test drive it urself, ask many questions. If you are comfortable with it, who cares is it VIOS, CITY or whatever u have... -
Me Ah Beng? Haha....then I must a well educated Ah Beng. That shows your narrow mindset of all who drives a Honda is an Ah Beng.
I really admire your long reply. You seems to be so upset and so defensive. Nobody is bragging here. Just stating the facts and making a comparison. Why get so work up? Vios top speed is 200km? Good for you. TP must be interested. City top speed? Let's put an understated top speed of 180km. There you have it...finally Vios beat City...hahaha...
500 litres boot = underpower? That's where smart Honda engineering comes in. 88bhp, sohc configuration is paper spec. Also need to look at torque range and power to weight ration, etc, etc....
This thread started and centres on what is the best option on the stated budget and taking 3 cars mentioned as comparison. There are many cars to chose from but specifically, if you are focusing on this catergory and budget wise, City makes a good choice. That to me is a fair statement. Go test drive both Vios, City and ask those who own one. Go ask the access mod shop, workshop mechanics and arrive at your own verdict. Each man's meat is another's poison. How true!
Wira and Kancil? Of course they can beat anyone cause they are heavily mod. We can do the same if LTA and TP don't get us first. Ever heard of the JDM model Jazz with i-Vtec, 220 bhp engine, Mugen equipped? Everyone owns a car for a different reason. For transport, for showing off, for that moment of pride to beat the other guy, the choice is yours and rightfully you are entitled to your own choice. As they say, you can tell a guy by the car he drives and how he drives, how he mod his car. End of the day, it is his personal responsibilty, safety on the road to other road user that matters. -
bro, pple on the forums often recommend other forums for sources.Originally posted by nick34:and i think you should STOP promoting SHC forum in here or else ... Don't blame me pal
i'm sure pple recommend your forum to others too.
how come so strict leh ? -
bro, pple on the forums often recommend other forums for sources.Originally posted by nick34:and i think you should STOP promoting SHC forum in here or else ... Don't blame me pal
i'm sure pple recommend your forum to others too.
how come so strict leh ? -
At the top you mention TP.... but you are the one who snoores off at other makes of the car and say no one outrun you in the NS highway "I have tried it so many times on the road; at traffic light, NS highway. Never been beaten before. " ----> Contradict again...... hahaha... turning words around when your stats loses. People here read and knows....Originally posted by david3305:Me Ah Beng? Haha....then I must a well educated Ah Beng. That shows your narrow mindset of all who drives a Honda is an Ah Beng.
I really admire your long reply. You seems to be so upset and so defensive. Nobody is bragging here. Just stating the facts and making a comparison. Why get so work up? Vios top speed is 200km? Good for you. TP must be interested. City top speed? Let's put an understated top speed of 180km. There you have it...finally Vios beat City...hahaha...
500 litres boot = underpower? That's where smart Honda engineering comes in. 88bhp, sohc configuration is paper spec. Also need to look at torque range and power to weight ration, etc, etc....
This thread started and centres on what is the best option on the stated budget and taking 3 cars mentioned as comparison. There are many cars to chose from but specifically, if you are focusing on this catergory and budget wise, City makes a good choice. That to me is a fair statement. Go test drive both Vios, City and ask those who own one. Go ask the access mod shop, workshop mechanics and arrive at your own verdict. Each man's meat is another's poison. How true!
Wira and Kancil? Of course they can beat anyone cause they are heavily mod. We can do the same if LTA and TP don't get us first. Ever heard of the JDM model Jazz with i-Vtec, 220 bhp engine, Mugen equipped? Everyone owns a car for a different reason. For transport, for showing off, for that moment of pride to beat the other guy, the choice is yours and rightfully you are entitled to your own choice. As they say, you can tell a guy by the car he drives and how he drives, how he mod his car. End of the day, it is his personal responsibilty, safety on the road to other road user that matters.
And i never say all honda cars is ah beng.... i say its ppl like you show spoilt honda image as i did mention i also do like some models of Honda....
Pickup? still no mention? We dont want bragging here.... we want stat and proof of tested!!! I gave my proof but you?... never.
You are the one who mention modified cars so other can also kind of follow suit into other makes of modified cars. You started it first....
JDM model Jazz with i-vtec 220hp? well i never heard before but i do see Wira with 280hp from VR4 engine.
Kancil with 130hp but at the weight of 600++kg surely beat Civic in pickup as i mention on Pasir Gudang as those Civics there are 220 hp but weight more than a ton.
Ya.... for mugen, the owner has sold off the company.
Fyi 220hp honda engine is mostly from factories in UK.... not "beng" like mugen... too bad. And the stock most powerful 2.0 Vtec is on S2000 that is 240hp. Why no mention S2000 powerful engine and NSX? Because "beng" only know civic, city, integra.... pls widen your knowledge.
What about fuel consumption? no stats for us?
STOCK City is surely a bit underpower than Vios but as for handling City is bit better than VIOS as the suspension construct is different.
Every Jap Cars has Variable Valve Technology now..... VVT-i, CVVT,VVT, MIVEC. Toyota has its powerful 20 valve engine back in the 80's and 90' with 1.6l reaching 160hp but they dont use and advertise the extra Valve broadly. And honda is not the one who introduce this Valve technology. Only their naming convention is different. So please dont keep on boasting your V*T*C.
Last time in 80's to 90's....
Volvo concentrate on 5 cylinder per engine technology (contrast to normal 4 or 6)
BMW with VANOS
MERC with supercharger
Toyota on its supercharger and 20 valve (5 valve per cylinder like Ferrari) and turbo.
Mitsibushi on the Powerful Turbo charger, MIVEC
Subaru also on the Boxer engine and turbo
Honda on its VTEC
Mazda on its powerful 1.3 litre Rotary engine more than 200hp
Each manufacturer goes on different areas. each has their power and limitation compare...
If you wanna say how good that cars is? please give your stats and figure... and share with other the pro and cons and dont boasting around and MISleading others.