Singapore cracks down on anime piracy
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its not even projected SALES. with little or 0 marketing effort how can they be good sales.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:They said their sales fell by 80% since 2004.
With this ruffling of feathers, it will fall even further.
TELL ME who seen ODEX ads before or even Sponsor for Kids channel???
Pls be like other companies eg.. JAPAN -
Now to watch my DLED naruto.
oh, that's not licensed. -
Well, this is a company that seems to stand by its rotten products. And he is unabashedly unapologetic about his rotten quality.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Blatant liars. Although broadband take up rate was high at that period, P2P wasn't. P2P started spreading here like wild fire around 2005, which was also the period when RIAA started suing people like mad.
Edit for clarity.
I sense that this person is of the type to "smile while shooting his own foot". -
After reading this link :
http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_148784.html
If what it stated is indeed true, why dun we fan of anime group together and pool a certain amount of $$$ (by donation) to some of those poor soul being issue the letter for them to fight out the case in court. If more then one of us are willing to fight it out in court, I believe the sheer amount of court case bills that odex have to fight will eventually bankrupt them. After all, without their 3k or 5k profit from each of their letter issue, they now have to pay for both the law suit and their so call anime crack down fees.
If starhub are charging them for revealing 1000 IP detail. I am sure gathering evidences through searching 1000 household isnt really going to be easy nor cheap. The amount of fees and effort for count search warrant, etc will going to cost them a bomb.
But if they are going to juz sue a few of them, we will know at least where the law stand. After all the strength of many out weight the power of one.
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If 1 day no 1 dl anime and ppl in sg start losing interest in odex anime cos it's crap and decide to import from neighbouring country like taiwan hong kong or rich 1 from usa or japan, will the odex go bust? i oso wondering the company they hire to check ip is permement or temp?
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hmm but in year 2004, i think programs like klite can be used to get anime.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Blatant liars. Although broadband take up rate was high at that period, P2P wasn't. P2P started spreading here like wild fire around 2005, which was also the period when RIAA started suing people like mad.
Edit for clarity.
but hor, i think they not accurate, they said it dropped by 80%, so, where did their 100% income come from, if nobody even heard of them at that time.
but i was thinking about something. say things go our way, and odex sales crumble due to public displeasure etc etc.
what would you like to see? personally i'd be very gratified to have stephen sing make a public apology for his arrogance. -
Let's just say that I've personally been close enough to see a similar threat-of-a-lawsuit tactic used by an unnamed publication, which closed it's doors two months after making it's claim.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:They said their sales fell by 80% since 2004.
With this ruffling of feathers, it will fall even further. -
i'll hope for everyone stop and boycott their product.
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hmm, they have to pay isp for the identification of users... well, the ISPs tried to protect us but our ISPs collect money from Odex?
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Even if they didn't exaggerate, I would wonder how many people actually know about ODEX. When was company set up anyway?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm but in year 2004, i think programs like klite can be used to get anime.
but hor, i think they not accurate, they said it dropped by 80%, so, where did their 100% income come from, if nobody even heard of them at that time.
but i was thinking about something. say things go our way, and odex sales crumble due to public displeasure etc etc.
what would you like to see? personally i'd be very gratified to have stephen sing make a public apology for his arrogance. -
Seriously, I only heard about the ODEX name when they started posting that article in May.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Even if they didn't exaggerate, I would wonder how many people actually know about ODEX. When was company set up anyway? -
When I first saw their name, I thought it was a brand of condoms.
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Odex suffer a set back from PacNet
http://www.zaobao.com/sp/esp.html
I hope the court will repect privacy of Individual be it online or offline. By granting the right of a commercial company to gaint exclusive personal informations will open doors to greater problem. I Wouldn't surprise if there is another you with same identity somewhere if Odex get away with it. Even criminal have their right.
The court should revoke it's earlier order. Instead, handling the matter to ISP to deal with those freeloader. After all, the ISP failed to stop them.
This not only teach those freeloader a valuable lession, it's also a rightful way to do. -
Only reserved judgement nia. Not like PacNet no need to reveal like that.Originally posted by Bimborock:Odex suffer a set back from PacNet
http://www.zaobao.com/sp/esp.html
In the end, PacNet has to bow down and be paid for revealing customer info.
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Yeh I know but is a great step toward comsumer interest. Not only works can be copy right you know. Our Identity too
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heard it was set up in 98, and started selling anime at 2000. but who the hell noes ?Originally posted by CoolMyth:Seriously, I only heard about the ODEX name when they started posting that article in May. -
I 1st knew about ODEX about 2 1/2 years ago when I bought their VCD Vandread. I tot it was nice until I realise that it was a mere english dub (I like anime for a long time, but I'm not very knowledgeable about it at the time). Then I proceed to buy their Fushigi Yuugi, which I completely regretted, $90+ down the drain for a badly made english dub and quality of VCD and its format (they tried to squeeze 3 epi in 1 VCD).Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Even if they didn't exaggerate, I would wonder how many people actually know about ODEX. When was company set up anyway?
Finally, I proceed to buy GUNDAM SEED during the hype in Singapore. It was sorta good until I saw that it was released in 2002. It reached SIngapore 2 whole years later? WTF?
That was when I stopped buying from ODEX, about 6 mths ago, I took a look at their GUNDAM SEED DVD set, I tot, what the hell? The hype over already you still make new product? Then I took a closer look, $39.90 for 5 episodes. Only a mad man would buy this. That means, to get the full set of GUNDAM SEED DVD, they have to pay $390+. THat's over the top crazy.
That was my past experience from ODEX. The only good thing I bought from them was Ai Yori Aoshi. But that also, they didn't bother to separate the episodes, I have to scroll half the CD to watch the next episode. -
Although PacNet is a separate ISP, our whole network is monopolized by one company. It's only a matter of when. Watch this space carefully.Originally posted by Bimborock:Odex suffer a set back from PacNet
http://www.zaobao.com/sp/esp.html
I hope the court will repect privacy of Individual be it online or offline. By granting the right of a commercial company to gaint exclusive personal informations will open doors to greater problem. I Wouldn't surprise if there is another you with same identity somewhere if Odex get away with it. Even criminal have their right.
The court should revoke it's earlier order. Instead, handling the matter to ISP to deal with those freeloader. After all, the ISP failed to stop them.
This not only teach those freeloader a valuable lession, it's also a rightful way to do. -
I can't believe the law actually allows them to sue people like that. Is this another example of the law protecting the interest of the rich/the influential, or doing only what is commercially beneficial?Originally posted by Gordonator:according to the chinese papers today. 17 singaporeans have been issued with warning letters from the Singapore Anti-Video Piracy Association (AVPA) regarding illegal downloading of animes.
AVPA also says they will work with Singnet, Starhub and Pac net to nab more illegal downloaders.
WTF!?
In any case, they may be legally right, but they are certainly morally wrong to issue such warning letters and threatening legal actions for 'illegal' downloading.
I don't understand how can even things like animes (and musics, movies, etc) can be commercialised till this ridiculous stage. How can anything be an intellectual 'property'?
What's more ridiculous is that they made it seemed as if these 'illegal downloaders' have committed great crimes and sins against humanities when it's just...anime! Something that anyone can easily produce themselves.
This is such an insult to creation and certainly the arts, an infringment on the the rights of the public to appreciate these simple form of entertainment. I support the people who are taking legal actions against Odex. They're doing more harm to the society than these so call 'illegal downloaders'. -
Lots of companies, in desperation, resort to moves like this.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Let's just say that I've personally been close enough to see a similar threat-of-a-lawsuit tactic used by an unnamed publication, which closed it's doors two months after making it's claim.
I am willing to bet, that Odex is only resorting to such moves, because it is teetering towards bankruptcy.
I wonder if the company accountant is keeping track of costs. -
In the eyes of the law, there is no moral. The law is the law.
People really need to start understanding that first before finding out where we all stand.
There are no moral ethics in place, only the law. -
my sister bf frens was caught...and was fined..$3000....caught him dl anime...
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More info pls, what he fined for? What anime he downloaded? How many he downloaded? What method of download he used?Originally posted by Aaron8209:my sister bf frens was caught...and was fined..$3000....caught him dl anime... -
imagine.. instead of paying up $3,000, everyone antes up $1,000 to a common pool, that'll be.. a million bucks?
and then use that to blow odex outta the water
anyway, i'll be boycotting odex -
Originally posted by mahawarrior:
i don't know about anime, but regarding music, do you think people like paris hilton and britney spears need anymore money? in fact they're abusing the money spent on them by destroying their lives.
I can't believe the law actually allows them to sue people like that. Is this another example of the law protecting the interest of the rich/the influential, or doing only what is commercially beneficial?
In any case, [b]they may be legally right, but they are certainly morally wrong to issue such warning letters and threatening legal actions for 'illegal' downloading.
I don't understand how can even things like animes (and musics, movies, etc) can be commercialised till this ridiculous stage. How can anything be an intellectual 'property'?
What's more ridiculous is that they made it seemed as if these 'illegal downloaders' have committed great crimes and sins against humanities when it's just...anime! Something that anyone can easily produce themselves.
This is such an insult to creation and certainly the arts, an infringment on the the rights of the public to appreciate these simple form of entertainment. I support the people who are taking legal actions against Odex. They're doing more harm to the society than these so call 'illegal downloaders'.[/b]