Singapore cracks down on anime piracy
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If can prove you write that post before anybody posts that, sure.Originally posted by stellazio:i'm sure there're some grey areas in this case which i might be able to exploit.
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why will people dl it for $1 and which it will expire in 7days when they can just go to steaming site and watch it. (youtube, etc)
Cause when ppl dl anime means they dun simply watch and del, but to collect.
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cause they scared let you download, then people send to their friends via msn etc.Originally posted by Rustyhong:why will people dl it for $1 and which it will expire in 7days when they can just go to steaming site and watch it. (youtube, etc)
Cause when ppl dl anime means they dun simply watch and del, but to collect.
So i am sure the $1 thing wont work out.
so 1 dollar, if 10 people share end up each one 10cents. and they lagi hongkan. -
Expire in 7 days what. 10 people share, each one pay 10 cents. GG.Originally posted by stellazio:cause they scared let you download, then people send to their friends via msn etc.
so 1 dollar, if 10 people share end up each one 10cents. and they lagi hongkan. -
trying too hard to generate revenueOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Expire in 7 days what. 10 people share, each one pay 10 cents. GG. -
lol ... but better than them now earning nothing when ppl dl from the internet.Originally posted by stellazio:cause they scared let you download, then people send to their friends via msn etc.
so 1 dollar, if 10 people share end up each one 10cents. and they lagi hongkan.
But now the case not close yet right? Which means who knows, ppl might be able to start dling soon again ... -
i'm not sure about this also. but i not gonna bother bout them..Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Expire in 7 days what. 10 people share, each one pay 10 cents. GG.
odex you see this _|_.. -
because of odex, my 500gb harddisk have to be put on hold ok..
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they said liao in theri previous notice on the websiteOriginally posted by Rustyhong:lol ... but better than them now earning nothing when ppl dl from the internet.
But now the case not close yet right? Which means who knows, ppl might be able to start dling soon again ...
DL IS ILLEGAL
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sorry ar ... i nv read all the notice. But i read somewhere that if u dl for personal use without making any profit should be ok?Originally posted by duotiga83:they said liao in theri previous notice on the website DL IS ILLEGAL -
their terminologyOriginally posted by Rustyhong:sorry ar ... i nv read all the notice. But i read somewhere that if u dl for personal use without making any profit should be ok? also cannot -
Excuse me, download from their site is legal?Originally posted by duotiga83:they said liao in theri previous notice on the website DL IS ILLEGAL
Now where's the middle finger picture. -
sorry to ask so many questions ar ...Originally posted by duotiga83:their terminology also cannot
their terminology -> with no law backing them? -
They are the law. Didn't you notice? Download from them = no problems. You download elsewhere, they will hunt for your head.Originally posted by Rustyhong:sorry to ask so many questions ar ...
their terminology -> with no law backing them? -
Pls refer toOriginally posted by Rustyhong:sorry to ask so many questions ar ...
their terminology -> with no law backing them? here
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LOL ... thats y asking ... How can they hunt you head if the law is not behind them? I think everything is back to the appeal. If they lose the appeal, i guess everyone will be free to download.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:They are the law. Didn't you notice? Download from them = no problems. You download elsewhere, they will hunt for your head. -
Thanks ... readingOriginally posted by duotiga83: -
I highly doubt ODEX next appeal will lose. Seriously, when the day ODEX decided to walk down this path, there is no turning back, especially after winning 2 cases.
If the next appeal of PacNet case, ODEX were to lose, ODEX will be in big trouble, so is singnet and starhub. OK, maybe not starhub since starhub did try to protect its customers' privacy.
Reasons?
If ODEX were to lose again, what will ODEX do with the money fined from the anime downloaders? Give them back and say sorry? I doubt so.
If ODEX were to lose again, anime fans will not keep quiet about why ODEX decide to press charges against them when ODEX do not have the rights?
With all the damage from ODEX done, for sure anime fans will not keep quiet about it.
For after what ODEX had done in the past, they really can't afford to lose the battle right now, especially this moment.
As for singnet, u all know, it did not even try to protect, so some damages will be on them too.
With the announcements that ODEX will get permission from the copyright holders to sue, I think some of the PacNet downloaders can prepare to recieve the love letter.
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yeap its do or die for odex. though i hope they die.
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I wouldn't dare to bet if ODEX wins or loses. The chances are pretty equal, and knowing Singapore, nothing is impossible.Originally posted by furb:I highly doubt ODEX next appeal will lose. Seriously, when the day ODEX decided to walk down this path, there is no turning back, especially after winning 2 cases.
If the next appeal of PacNet case, ODEX were to lose, ODEX will be in big trouble, so is singnet and starhub. OK, maybe not starhub since starhub did try to protect its customers' privacy.
Reasons?
If ODEX were to lose again, what will ODEX do with the money fined from the anime downloaders? Give them back and say sorry? I doubt so.
If ODEX were to lose again, anime fans will not keep quiet about why ODEX decide to press charges against them when ODEX do not have the rights?
With all the damage from ODEX done, for sure anime fans will not keep quiet about it.
For after what ODEX had done in the past, they really can't afford to lose the battle right now, especially this moment.
As for singnet, u all know, it did not even try to protect, so some damages will be on them too.
With the announcements that ODEX will get permission from the copyright holders to sue, I think some of the PacNet downloaders can prepare to recieve the love letter.
Main point - ODEX can't afford to lose now.
Singnet may not be on fire though, as I've said, it's stated plainly in their T&C that a court order will get them to release the info.
If ODEX loses, I doubt anime fans will do anything, unless enough rubbish is digged out, like the NKF case. Singaporeans typically won't go after a case for very long once they want a specific outcome and that outcome is granted to them.
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Odex to hire independent auditor to show sincerity
To prove it is not profiteering from the enforcement actions, Odex will hire an independent auditor to go through its accounts at the end of the case. And every extra dollar will be donated to charity, said Odex director Stephen Sing. Odex is seeking between $3,000 and $5,000 from each illegal downloader. Said Mr Sing: "We are just trying to recover the costs incurred for this (legal) action."
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The costs include lawyers' fees and payment to Internet investigation firm BayTSP. Odex also has to pay the ISPs to reveal their subscribers' identities – one asked for up to $150 per IP address, said Mr Sing. Out of the 1,000 IP addresses tracked down through SingNet, there were only 400 subscribers, as each user is typically assigned up to four IP addresses. Compensation was sought from 300 "heavy" illegal downloaders.
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Odex has settled 105 cases, one of which involved a nine-year-old child – most were in their late teens to mid-20s. Odex's lawyer Lau Kok Keng said it had gone to the police at first but was advised to gather the evidence – including downloaders' identities – on its own.
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Looking ahead, Odex, which will launch a video-on-demand website today, is aiming for a "free and legal alternative" for fans by broadcasting anime on free-to-air television. Recently, Singapore became the first country outside Japan to broadcast D.Gray-Man, said Odex managing director Peter Go, with more titles under negotiation.
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Japanese anime firms close ranks with Odex They pledge court action if local provider's appeal fails
Loh Chee Kong
[email protected]
SOME were flown in from Japan. Others appeared on video to show their support of their local representative, anime distributor Odex, which has come under flak from fans for its court actions against illegal downloaders.
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At a press conference held by Odex yesterday, the message from nine anime copyright holders — including some of Japan's biggest animation studios — was clear: They are prepared to take legal action against the wrongdoers directly, should the Singapore courts reject Odex's bid to do so.
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After getting court orders to force Internet service providers (ISPs) SingNet and StarHub to hand over subscribers' data, Odex's crackdown on illegal downloading hit a roadblock last Thursday, when the court rejected a similar application against Pacific Internet (PacNet) on the basis that Odex — as a sub-licensee — was not in a position to file the application. Odex is appealing against the decision.
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Remarking that protecting copyright in Singapore "is more difficult than we thought", said international sales and marketing manager Fumiki Yamazaki from Showgate, one of the four Japanese companies in town. He said his firm will not hesitate to "go straight to court" if necessary. Its stance was affirmed by all the other copyright holders present.
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The latter were understandably aggrieved, said Odex's director Stephen Sing, as illegal downloading here was rampant.
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According to data collated by Silicon Valley-based Internet sleuth firm BayTSP, in the past 10 months, there were 483,310 counts of illegal anime downloading, mainly through peer-to-peer file sharing protocol BitTorrent. This makes Singapore the country with the highest number of illegal downloading counts per capita, at 10.89 per cent — far ahead of second-placed Sweden at 3.70 per cent.
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Odex's managing director Peter Go added: "Even in the past month, when there was so much coverage on the case, the count went down by only 17 per cent (compared to July)."
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Countering online allegations that anime fans had no choice but to turn to illegal downloads due to the poor quality of their DVDs, Mr Go pointed out that fans in focus groups "could not tell the difference" between Odex's products and those sold in Japan when screened on "a 42-inch plasma TV".
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As for complaints about the accuracy of the DVD subtitles, Mr Go said the firm had to abide by censorship requirements. "For example, in Fruits Basket, some of the dialogue had to do with love between two boys, so we changed it to them being best friends. As a result, we got bombarded for having poor subtitles," he said.
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According to Mr Go, Odex represents 32 copyright holders and distributes 90 per cent of the anime titles sold here.
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In the past two years, its DVD sales have fallen by more than 60 per cent. "We hope to achieve at least an 80-to-90-per-cent reduction in illegal downloading. Whether it's realistic or not, we'll have to see," he said.
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In other countries, noted TV Tokyo Corporation's manager Yukio Kawasaki, most culprits stop downloading illegally once they have received a complaint letter from the licensee. He said Japanese animation studios usually leave it to their local representatives to take action against copyright infringers.
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Based on exchanges with anime fans here, Mr Sing said Odex "understands they will not stop downloading just because we sent them a warning letter".
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Toei Animation Enterprises' manager Ryuji Kochi said he "regretted" the negative publicity Odex's legal action had generated. He reiterated that it "takes many people's work" to create animation.
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..market differentiation can be a form of trade discrimination under a FTA.
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In other countries, noted TV Tokyo Corporation's manager Yukio Kawasaki, most culprits stop downloading illegally once they have received a complaint letter from the licensee. He said Japanese animation studios usually leave it to their local representatives to take action against copyright infringers.
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Based on exchanges with anime fans here, Mr Sing said Odex "understands they will not stop downloading just because we sent them a warning letter".
But by not making such an assumption in the first place, I think Xedo could have reduced the amount of animosity against them. At the very least they'd have been able to declare that the downloaders left them no choice after ignoring the warning letters!! And since so many are using accounts under their parents' names, for sure the irate parents would have cut off their downloading actitivities and maybe even restricted their access to their PCs.
It is plain for all to see that Xedo is after money.
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Aug 31, 2007
No relationship between Odex and Games Mart
I WRITE to clarify some of the information in the article, 'Odex affiliate raided for copyright offence in 1999' (ST, Aug 29).
My concern is that readers might misunderstand the relationship (or lack thereof) between Games Mart and Odex.
The headline states that an 'Odex affiliate' was raided in 1999. While Odex company director Stephen Sing and I were involved in the company, Games Mart, the company was out of business in 2000 and we joined Odex in 2001.
There was no relationship, affiliate or otherwise, between the two companies.
It was reported that Games Mart was raided in 1999 for selling counterfeit consoles but let me clarify that the investigation did not extend to Mr Sing and me, nor were we in any way implicated in the investigation.
Games Mart was out of business in 2000 and struck off in 2004. Mr Sing and I took Odex into the business of licensed anime content distribution in 2001.
Peter Go
Managing director
Odex
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