Singapore cracks down on anime piracy
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someone explain this to me:Originally posted by duotiga83:Aug 31, 2007
No relationship between Odex and Games Mart
I WRITE to clarify some of the information in the article, 'Odex affiliate raided for copyright offence in 1999' (ST, Aug 29).
My concern is that readers might misunderstand the relationship (or lack thereof) between Games Mart and Odex.
The headline states that an 'Odex affiliate' was raided in 1999. While Odex company director Stephen Sing and I were involved in the company, Games Mart, the company was out of business in 2000 and we joined Odex in 2001.
There was no relationship, affiliate or otherwise, between the two companies.
It was reported that Games Mart was raided in 1999 for selling counterfeit consoles but let me clarify that the investigation did not extend to Mr Sing and me, nor were we in any way implicated in the investigation.
Games Mart was out of business in 2000 and struck off in 2004. Mr Sing and I took Odex into the business of licensed anime content distribution in 2001.
Peter Go
Managing director
Odex
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Go and Sing were directors of gamesmart but they had nothing to do with its criminal activities?
Wasn't that Richard Yong's defence in the NKF trial? He didn't know what was going on and signed everything Durai pushed at him? -
"The headline states that an 'Odex affiliate' was raided in 1999. While Odex company director Stephen Sing and I were involved in the company, Games Mart, the company was out of business in 2000 and we joined Odex in 2001. "
His language has effectively doomed him. -
Anyway, we are free to buy anime from alternate sources. No way I am paying good money for Xedo's poor quality crap.
Just received this from amazon last night:
Plus shipping it came up to 50 usd, not too bad, considering the quality. -
50USD sounds sweet for that amount of DVDs..
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the DVDs were about 43, shipping was 6+ (took 2 weeks to arrive)Originally posted by LazerLordz:50USD sounds sweet for that amount of DVDs..
somemore its region 1, the image quality is superb.
although they did use an ugly font for subtitles
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how ugly? Times New Roman?Originally posted by av98m:the DVDs were about 43, shipping was 6+ (took 2 weeks to arrive)
somemore its region 1, the image quality is superb.
although they did use an ugly font for subtitles 
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I do a screenshot tonightOriginally posted by LazerLordz:how ugly? Times New Roman? -
Originally posted by av98m:I do a screenshot tonight
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Originally posted by duotiga83:
So why are they seeking $3k - $5k if they know how much they can recover from per person? They can just reduce the so called settlement fees. These is just bullshi.t at its best
Odex to hire independent auditor to show sincerity
To prove it is not profiteering from the enforcement actions, Odex will hire an independent auditor to go through its accounts at the end of the case. And every extra dollar will be donated to charity, said Odex director Stephen Sing. Odex is seeking between $3,000 and $5,000 from each illegal downloader. Said Mr Sing: "We are just trying to recover the costs incurred for this (legal) action." -
have anyone read today newspaper? now they have some jap company to back them up
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So they are saying that as directors of games mart, they do not know or do not care about what their employees are selling in the store, and they were just happily collecting their pay and director's fee every year?Originally posted by duotiga83:Aug 31, 2007
No relationship between Odex and Games Mart
I WRITE to clarify some of the information in the article, 'Odex affiliate raided for copyright offence in 1999' (ST, Aug 29).
My concern is that readers might misunderstand the relationship (or lack thereof) between Games Mart and Odex.
The headline states that an 'Odex affiliate' was raided in 1999. While Odex company director Stephen Sing and I were involved in the company, Games Mart, the company was out of business in 2000 and we joined Odex in 2001.
There was no relationship, affiliate or otherwise, between the two companies.
It was reported that Games Mart was raided in 1999 for selling counterfeit consoles but let me clarify that the investigation did not extend to Mr Sing and me, nor were we in any way implicated in the investigation.
Games Mart was out of business in 2000 and struck off in 2004. Mr Sing and I took Odex into the business of licensed anime content distribution in 2001.
Peter Go
Managing director
Odex
Copyright © 2007 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved. Privacy Statement & Condition of Access
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If the jap anime studios were to go to the courts, then the judge will have no choice but to give the court orders to pacnet to release the data to XEDO....
Lets see what will happened now
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Their principle may express support for them. However, if Odex do not have exclusive right. They can not proceed. The Japan companies can come down and files application themself.
To grant Odex exclusive in this situation, especially when they suffered bad publicity, where the potential boycott of they products is possible across SEA. I do not see any reasonale behine except one; The Japan companies attempt to use SG LAW to set a benchmark for further application elsewhere hence SG enjoy good publicity on LAW in SEA. They willing to forego the SG market for wider pies. Another word, Odex just a tool they use, surely will get abandon later by them.
Gonna see how the court handle this time.
The trouble is that Singnet as symbol of SG have not even contested the applications but by consent may send them wrong signal. If the court grant them the order this time, it's gonna go through this process over and over again. The end is, they will get 80% of BB user details at their disposal. Not forgeting beside the usual 3K-5K. There is also damage claim up to 20K on each dowloader. Good profits for them I say. -
Today TNP
Odex on Net userÂ’s criticisms
Poor subtitles because of censorship laws
The subtitles were tweaked because of SingaporeÂ’s censorship laws.
ThatÂ’s one of the reasons why subtitles on some of its anime series are not accurate, said managing director Peter Go of local anime distributor Odex.
Anime fans have long criticised OdexÂ’s product saying they are inaccurately subtitled.
He was speaking at a press conference to announce the support of Japanese copyright owners in its appeal against its case Pacific Internet.
Its has successfully obtained court orders to force SingNet and StarHub to reveal alleged illegal downloadersÂ’ identities, but its case against Pacific Internet was thrown out of court.
The company, which began a widespread crackdown on illegal anime downloading in May, has got flak from netizens for the quality of its anime subtitling.
Netizens have posted screen captures of illegal anime fansubs (fan-subtitled anime), comparing their subtitles to those on Odex’s “ inaccurately subtitled” anime releases.
But why the discrepancy?
Mr Go said the subtitles of certain anime series had to be tweaked to conform with the Board of Film CensorsÂ’ requirement.
He cited the example of popular anime series Fruits Basket, which contained content deemed too risqué.
“We need to abide by the board’s regulations – the series cannot have certain religious connotations, be too violent or touch on issues like homosexuality.”
So Odex have no choice but to tweak the themes slightly.
In an earlier interview with The New Paper, Mr Go said that in a response to the escalating popularity of fansubs relative to Odex products, the company decided to hire fansubbers (or fans who subtitle illegal copies of anime) to do subtitling work for their products.
But that backfired after fansubbers turned in sub-standard work, with inaccurate translations and grammatical errors.
At a press conference yesterday, Mr Go and Odex director Stephen Sing stood by the quality of their DVDs, which they say local anime focus group have trouble distinguishing from the same titles released in Japan.
The main reason for its loss of more than 60 per cent of its sales since 2005, it says, is rampant illegal downloading here.
According to data collected by BayTSP, the US company hired by Odex to identify the IP address of illegal anime downloaders, Singapore has the highest per capita rate – one in 10 – of illegal anime downloading in the world.
Odex has used this data in its ongoing attempt to get local ISPs to reveal the identities of those identified by BayTSP as illegal downloaders.
Yesterday, Japanese copyright owners, including Media International Corporation, Toei Animations Enterprises Ltd and TV Tokyo Medianet Co Ltd gave Odex letters of authorization, granting permission to act on their behalf against illegal downloaders.
Representatives of the Japanese companies said they were prepared to act individually in support of OdexÂ’s appeal if the court required them to do so.
Said Mr Yukio Kawasaki, manager if content business division of TV Tokyo Corporation:” The best way to solve the problem (of illegal downloading) is through our licensees in each country. This is because the licensees can take action quickly. In this case, Odex is a very important partner to us.” -
Originally posted by tortoise55:
yeah right, most of the complaints are normal words and convos, no censorship issues at all. nice try at fudging.
Today TNP
[b]Odex on Net user’s criticisms
Poor subtitles because of censorship laws
The subtitles were tweaked because of Singapore’s censorship laws.
That’s one of the reasons why subtitles on some of its anime series are not accurate, said managing director Peter Go of local anime distributor Odex.
Anime fans have long criticised Odex’s product saying they are inaccurately subtitled.
He was speaking at a press conference to announce the support of Japanese copyright owners in its appeal against its case Pacific Internet.
Its has successfully obtained court orders to force SingNet and StarHub to reveal alleged illegal downloaders’ identities, but its case against Pacific Internet was thrown out of court.
The company, which began a widespread crackdown on illegal anime downloading in May, has got flak from netizens for the quality of its anime subtitling.
Netizens have posted screen captures of illegal anime fansubs (fan-subtitled anime), comparing their subtitles to those on Odex’s “ inaccurately subtitled” anime releases.
But why the discrepancy?
Mr Go said the subtitles of certain anime series had to be tweaked to conform with the Board of Film Censors’ requirement.
He cited the example of popular anime series Fruits Basket, which contained content deemed too risqué.
“We need to abide by the board’s regulations – the series cannot have certain religious connotations, be too violent or touch on issues like homosexuality.”
So Odex have no choice but to tweak the themes slightly.
In an earlier interview with The New Paper, Mr Go said that in a response to the escalating popularity of fansubs relative to Odex products, the company decided to hire fansubbers (or fans who subtitle illegal copies of anime) to do subtitling work for their products.
But that backfired after fansubbers turned in sub-standard work, with inaccurate translations and grammatical errors.
At a press conference yesterday, Mr Go and Odex director Stephen Sing stood by the quality of their DVDs, which they say local anime focus group have trouble distinguishing from the same titles released in Japan.
The main reason for its loss of more than 60 per cent of its sales since 2005, it says, is rampant illegal downloading here.
According to data collected by BayTSP, the US company hired by Odex to identify the IP address of illegal anime downloaders, Singapore has the highest per capita rate – one in 10 – of illegal anime downloading in the world.
Odex has used this data in its ongoing attempt to get local ISPs to reveal the identities of those identified by BayTSP as illegal downloaders.
Yesterday, Japanese copyright owners, including Media International Corporation, Toei Animations Enterprises Ltd and TV Tokyo Medianet Co Ltd gave Odex letters of authorization, granting permission to act on their behalf against illegal downloaders.
Representatives of the Japanese companies said they were prepared to act individually in support of Odex’s appeal if the court required them to do so.
Said Mr Yukio Kawasaki, manager if content business division of TV Tokyo Corporation:” The best way to solve the problem (of illegal downloading) is through our licensees in each country. This is because the licensees can take action quickly. Inthis case, Odex is a very important partner to us.”
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local anime focus group? -
So now they are blaming the Board of Film Censor for being too rigid?Originally posted by tortoise55:Today TNP
Odex on Net userÂ’s criticisms
Poor subtitles because of censorship laws
The subtitles were tweaked because of SingaporeÂ’s censorship laws.
ThatÂ’s one of the reasons why subtitles on some of its anime series are not accurate, said managing director Peter Go of local anime distributor Odex.
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Netizens have posted screen captures of illegal anime fansubs (fan-subtitled anime), comparing their subtitles to those on Odex’s “ inaccurately subtitled” anime releases.
But why the discrepancy?
Mr Go said the subtitles of certain anime series had to be tweaked to conform with the Board of Film CensorsÂ’ requirement.
He cited the example of popular anime series Fruits Basket, which contained content deemed too risqué.
“We need to abide by the board’s regulations – the series cannot have certain religious connotations, be too violent or touch on issues like homosexuality.”
So Odex have no choice but to tweak the themes slightly.In an earlier interview with The New Paper, Mr Go said that in a response to the escalating popularity of fansubs relative to Odex products, the company decided to hire fansubbers (or fans who subtitle illegal copies of anime) to do subtitling work for their products.
I wonder which fansubbers did they hired to do this? Must be those hired fansubbers are substanard or Odex paid them too little, so they decide to made a mess in subtitling.
But that backfired after fansubbers turned in sub-standard work, with inaccurate translations and grammatical errors.Yesterday, Japanese copyright owners, including Media International Corporation, Toei Animations Enterprises Ltd and TV Tokyo Medianet Co Ltd gave Odex letters of authorization, granting permission to act on their behalf against illegal downloaders.
I was wondering that if those company gave their letters of authorization only on yesterday, then in the past weeks, Odex was not authorized to act on their behalf? -
LJ, what about that one about the car racing?
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But have they thought of why the fansubb employee gave lousy work
My guess is that they are not paid enough for the work that they have done and so the results is those poor quality anime they produced
Again another LPPL matter, XEDO want quality stuff but not willing to give the $$$ for it or its just our local fansubbers not good enough
Hope we can get some 1 who works for them to clarify this matter
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ya probably give them 5 dollars per hour.Originally posted by ryangian:But have they thought of why the fansubb employee gave lousy work
My guess is that they are not paid enough for the work that they have done and so the results is those poor quality anime they produced
Again another LPPL matter, XEDO want quality stuff but not willing to give the $$$ for it or its just our local fansubbers not good enough
Hope we can get some 1 who works for them to clarify this matter -
Letters been sent out liao, lets see what happened now
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The yellow car is driven by the big treeOriginally posted by stellazio:LJ, what about that one about the car racing? -
you mean its real? i thought it was a spoofOriginally posted by tortoise55:The yellow car is driven by the big tree -
LOL why are there two identical threads running concurrently ah?
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lol odex is catching pple for downloading anime that they don;t even sub.... like naruto and lbeach... i checked on their website and can't find the above product...
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What I want to know is WHO are the people in those so-called focus groups and specifically what DVDs were compared.
Without this information xedo's claims are meaningless.