Singapore cracks down on anime piracy
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Yep just their way of saying - some one we are directors but did not know what they are directing , some poor guy took the blame for us - we quickly closed shop, left the poor guy to die ... then we open operations but new name what !!!Originally posted by av98m:someone explain this to me:
Go and Sing were directors of gamesmart but they had nothing to do with its criminal activities?
Wasn't that Richard Yong's defence in the NKF trial? He didn't know what was going on and signed everything Durai pushed at him?
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Is VOD free? Didn't the website mention $2 per episode and last for 7 days?Originally posted by duotiga83:Edited (fast forward)...
Looking ahead, Odex, which will launch a video-on-demand website today, is aiming for a "free and legal alternative" for fans by broadcasting anime on free-to-air television. Recently, Singapore became the first country outside Japan to broadcast D.Gray-Man, said Odex managing director Peter Go, with more titles under negotiation.
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/208537.asp
If 1 episode for $2 for 7 days, I might as well rent the series from my nearby video retailer for $6 per box and then burn it. That's more worth it isn't it since I can watch unlimited times?
That is if I were to rent it
Edited: Sorry, made a mistake, its $2 per episode for 7 days
. I think my method is more worth it liao. 
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*tries to think of risque connotations about racing cars and trees*Originally posted by stellazio:LJ, what about that one about the car racing?
Uhhh..... woah....
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Originally posted by fudgester:*tries to think of risque connotations about racing cars and trees*
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well at least it have make a fool out of our friend at odex and give them a hard time , also reduce their ill gotten money.Originally posted by ryangian:If the jap anime studios were to go to the courts, then the judge will have no choice but to give the court orders to pacnet to release the data to XEDO....
Lets see what will happened now
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Kewl. Obviously NKF didn't teach them.Originally posted by storywolf:Yep just their way of saying - some one we are directors but did not know what they are directing , some poor guy took the blame for us - we quickly closed shop, left the poor guy to die ... then we open operations but new name what !!!
Again we directing = do not know what we directing ...
Wait, they are not a charity organization.
And ODEX makes it sound like they bribe Singnet. GG. -
Here's another question:
What kind of idiot pays for VOD that takes a while to download, is not of very good quality, and yet cannot be viewed after 7 days.
At least when I pay to watch a movie, I get the big screen and big speakers/surround sound.
And when I buy a pay-per-view on cable, I can record the show for future viewing.
Say I watch an anime like Bleach on VOD, I end up paying $1 or $2 x ..what, 200 episodes? And I cannot watch it again unless I pay somemore.
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I do another cost breakdown
My complete Outlaw Star Region 1 DVDs cost me, including shipping, about 80sgd(rounded up)
There are 6 DVDs with a total of 26 episodes.
Now, lets see how much I'd have to pay if Odex launches a VOD version of it, with poorer subtitles and poorer image quality(at most 640 x 480 resolution, watchable only on a PC)
$26 x 2 = $52
For $30 less, I get much poorer picture quality, inability to watch it via DVD player on a home theater setup with big screen, no physical media/packaging, and no way to watch it again when I feel like it.
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What ever damage control measure ODEX is doing now is pointless, once ppl hear the name ODEX = condemned company that make anime fans angry by sending letters
Simple as that, hope that Sing and Go guys know abt this -
Very good way to earn money, that's the most important issue. You can't force them to buy, tweak your marketing tricks a bit and tada! Money starts rolling in.Originally posted by av98m:Here's another question:
What kind of idiot pays for VOD that takes a while to download, is not of very good quality, and yet cannot be viewed after 7 days.
At least when I pay to watch a movie, I get the big screen and big speakers/surround sound.
And when I buy a pay-per-view on cable, I can record the show for future viewing.
Say I watch an anime like Bleach on VOD, I end up paying $1 or $2 x ..what, 200 episodes? And I cannot watch it again unless I pay somemore.
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spread the good word. don't let odex earn!
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The good company continues to shoot their own feet and smile on it....
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Under the Japanese legal system, anything that has been broadcasted free-to-air, may be duplicated for non-profit means under certain conditions.Originally posted by Bimborock:Their principle may express support for them. However, if Odex do not have exclusive right. They can not proceed. The Japan companies can come down and files application themself.
To grant Odex exclusive in this situation, especially when they suffered bad publicity, where the potential boycott of they products is possible across SEA. I do not see any reasonale behine except one; The Japan companies attempt to use SG LAW to set a benchmark for further application elsewhere hence SG enjoy good publicity on LAW in SEA. They willing to forego the SG market for wider pies. Another word, Odex just a tool they use, surely will get abandon later by them.
Gonna see how the court handle this time.
The trouble is that Singnet as symbol of SG have not even contested the applications but by consent may send them wrong signal. If the court grant them the order this time, it's gonna go through this process over and over again. The end is, they will get 80% of BB user details at their disposal. Not forgeting beside the usual 3K-5K. There is also damage claim up to 20K on each dowloader. Good profits for them I say.
Perhaps they think it is easier to seek a judgement in Singapore, sacrifice (like you said) the local anime market, which is but a small splash in a big pond, use this victory in Singapore as a defining legal precedence to lobby for amendments to Japan's Copyright Law so that they may enforce their case back home or in the United States much more effectively.
I can say that it is possible that our Govt's attempt to heighten our profile as a place where intellectual property is respected, has unwittingly made us into a tool to be used by the Japanese studios for enforcement activity in other countries, and that building an anime scene is the second thing on their priority, not the top one.
Perhaps they feel that the relative cost of alienating the current crowd is affordable given that we don't have a strong Singaporean fan-subbing scene and that there is little to no Singaporean otaku-driven fan-sub editions of Japanese animation in the SEA region. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Good point here, and if it is truth, those 2 (Sing and Go) are just small pawns in the entire game of chess that is being played by the hands of the japanese.
Under the Japanese legal system, anything that has been broadcasted free-to-air, may be duplicated for non-profit means under certain conditions.
Perhaps they think it is easier to seek a judgement in Singapore, sacrifice (like you said) the local anime market, which is but a small splash in a big pond, use this victory in Singapore as a [b]defining legal precedence to lobby for amendments to Japan's Copyright Law so that they may enforce their case back home or in the United States much more effectively.
I can say that it is possible that our Govt's attempt to heighten our profile as a place where intellectual property is respected, has unwittingly made us into a tool to be used by the Japanese studios for enforcement activity in other countries, and that building an anime scene is the second thing on their priority, not the top one.
Perhaps they feel that the relative cost of alienating the current crowd is affordable given that we don't have a strong Singaporean fan-subbing scene and that there is little to no Singaporean otaku-driven fan-sub editions of Japanese animation in the SEA region. [/b] -
It would be interesting to note if under the Singapore-Japan Free Trade Agreement, there is any component dealing with copyrights and intellectual property and how us and them will enforce in either nation..Originally posted by ryangian:Good point here, and if it is truth, those 2 (Sing and Go) are just small pawns in the entire game of chess that is being played by the hands of the japanese. -
Google liao, but don have much leh.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It would be interesting to note if under the Singapore-Japan Free Trade Agreement, there is any component dealing with copyrights and intellectual property and how us and them will enforce in either nation..
Just bits and pieces of info only -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
I'm not sure about this, but somehow I have a distinct feeling that the Japanese companies wouldn't dare to antagonise the bulk of the anime fans in Japan with such legislation. Also, as it is, they make tonnes of money from selling figurines and stuff at conventions which are hugely popular in Japan. I am also unsure how well the Japanese anime DVDs sell in Japan either. Given how high tech most Japanese households are, it isn't too much a stretch to imagine that they would be able to record the shows as they are aired in Japan. Trying to penalise those who record the videos down will to also antagonising the companies who sell the players as well. (Note that I do not put it past them to shit on about even their own fans.)
Under the Japanese legal system, anything that has been broadcasted free-to-air, may be duplicated for non-profit means under certain conditions.
Perhaps they think it is easier to seek a judgement in Singapore, sacrifice (like you said) the local anime market, which is but a small splash in a big pond, use this victory in Singapore as a [b]defining legal precedence to lobby for amendments to Japan's Copyright Law so that they may enforce their case back home or in the United States much more effectively.
I can say that it is possible that our Govt's attempt to heighten our profile as a place where intellectual property is respected, has unwittingly made us into a tool to be used by the Japanese studios for enforcement activity in other countries, and that building an anime scene is the second thing on their priority, not the top one.
Perhaps they feel that the relative cost of alienating the current crowd is affordable given that we don't have a strong Singaporean fan-subbing scene and that there is little to no Singaporean otaku-driven fan-sub editions of Japanese animation in the SEA region. [/b]
It seems to me, that they are trying to crack down on fans outside Japan. I know Viz does crack down on some of the fansubbers with "Cease and Desist" notices but nothing more than that. Most Fansubbers try to stay within the law. -
Tis strange to clamp down so hard on the downloaders when the source of most unofficial fansubs are derived from capture of free-to-air broadcasts.
It's a different segment altogether. There are anime consumers, people who buy DVDs by the tons to watch and then there are the fans, who may or may not buy, but are involved in the culture much more than the consumer. -
its two separate sentences. 1) they are launching a VOD website. 2) they are going to broadcast the anime for pple to watch for free on free-to-air tv (channels 5, 8, suria, central, CNA)Originally posted by furb:Is VOD free? Didn't the website mention $2 per episode and last for 7 days?
If 1 episode for $2 for 7 days, I might as well rent the series from my nearby video retailer for $6 per box and then burn it. That's more worth it isn't it since I can watch unlimited times?
That is if I were to rent it
Edited: Sorry, made a mistake, its $2 per episode for 7 days . I think my method is more worth it liao. -
Thinking about it properly, What are Odex's products that they want to claim damages from?
The anime? No. If you look porperly, Odex is a SUB-LICENSE owner of the anime. THat means, Odex have no rights on the anime itself. What Odex has rights over is the stuff they sell. The CDs, the box cover and their crappy subtitles.
So what did any of the "illegal downloaders" steal from Odex to create damages? People download fansubs which consists of the anime and subtitles buy the fansubs. Did the downloaders copy the Odex's box cover? Did the downloaders copy Odex's CD design? Did the downloaders copy Odex's crappy subtitles?
If the answers for the 3 above question is "NO", then Odex have no rights to sue people in the 1st place.
And since Odex has no rights to sue the downloaders in the 1st place, sending any threats for money sounds something like something from the Penal code.Extortion (Penal Code, Cap 224, Sec 383)
Whoever intentionally puts any person in fear of any injury* to that person or to any other, and thereby dishonestly induces the person so put in fear to deliver to any person any property or valuable security, or anything signed or sealed which may be converted into a valuable security, commits “extortion”.
Illustrations
(a) ODEX threatens to publish a defamatory libel concerning DOWNLOADER, unless DOWNLOADER gives him (ODEX) money. He thus induces DOWNLOADER to give him money. ODEX has committed "extortion".
Simpler terms: Since Odex has no rights is sueing people, Odex is now unlawfully threatening people for money.
*injury = injury to mind, body, reputation or property
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so what u are saying is ... Odex is extorting money from ppl ??
i dont trust those free to air show on tv ... the anime itself is shorten , the anime show on air may cut off suddenly showing other anime which thus induce ppl to dl the rest of the anime to watch the complete show . Who would like to watch anime that suddenly have ad inbetween when the atmosphere is high =.= its like pouring a cold water over u =.= -
He's not saying, but he's implying =)
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I haven use their VOD yet. But i heard its of high quality.Originally posted by av98m:Here's another question:
What kind of idiot pays for VOD that takes a while to download, is not of very good quality, and yet cannot be viewed after 7 days.
At least when I pay to watch a movie, I get the big screen and big speakers/surround sound.
And when I buy a pay-per-view on cable, I can record the show for future viewing.
Say I watch an anime like Bleach on VOD, I end up paying $1 or $2 x ..what, 200 episodes? And I cannot watch it again unless I pay somemore.
*scratches head*
And as for the 7day thing. They are just acting on what the copyright holders say.
The japanese copyright holders have control almost whatever shit odex do.
So odex have their own limitations as well.
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The 7-day issue is believable if the Japanese indeed have control over ODEX. High quality or not, somebody is going to try and tell me. I have no Paypal, and neither am I allowed into the site because my IP address is masked (hell load of bullcrap if they know Singapore's laws)
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I wouldn't buy their VOD even if they pay me.
I will continue to boycott Odex no matter what. Even if they decide to upgrade their quality, that still doesn't make up for what they did to the anime community.